This is all pointless without a single argument of what's so bad about the stemcells, exactly.
I am currently compiling a list, as I mentioned in an earlier post... I am hoping to be finished tomorrow... the arguments are definitely existent... It is just a matter of deciphering the mumbo-jumbo that these scientist type's expect normal people to understand. I am currently in the process of trying to do that...
I am still compiling a list of these consequences, I don't know when it will be finished, probably sometime this week.
I will say this though, the nations with "more pressing matters" are not going to be the ones spending millions (or more) you should know that..... these nations are likely going to be the ones that are abusing SCR.
The nations which spend the most money developing this scientific research will likely be the ones to attempt to enforce these regulations.
(on a side note, sometimes you gots to read over what people write a few times to fully understand or grasp what they are trying to say, (like I had to with your last post) ) so sorry if that was hard for you to understand.
Right, but most nations have the means to take the information and knowledge from that research and twist it into something destructive and menacing.
That is when we need to focus our efforts on swift enforcement polices, and take action.
Metallica Lines: "They think our heads are in their hands, but violent use brings violent plans" "They see it right, they see it well, but they think this saves from our hell"
I know they were referring to something a little different, but this applies to my view on the situation.
No matter what the world tries to enforce..., people are going to use this technology and knowledge for bad things...., very bad things.... the only thing we (as a planet) can do, is try to the best of our abilities to stop them. Protect the good parts, and banish the bad, I know realize this (violators should be punished severely) if caught.. I will list a few of the other things that I consider to be violations when I return from hockey. There definitely is good in this research... I am not denying that... I realized that, back when I was in high school a few years ago, for the longest time though, I have been stressing myself over the consequences of SCR....
I'm not saying that the ability to ask that question isn't of importance because it is, hypothetical questions you can't ever answer just shouldn't affect whether or not to research something scientifically (apart from the research itself being highly dangerous obviously, which is a risk factor you need to calculate first).
Exactly my thoughts.... I think we need to calculate this risk factor (consequences) to the best of our abilities, before we proceed with this research. Right now I do not think that they have done this properly.....
That being said, ironically I now believe that we are going to have to proceed with phase 1 (world wide unison) on SCR (stem cell research) or most of the world anyway, to properly analyze and predict these risks. This may even require that scientific research begins.... but does only that. I think we should only do enough research, until we are at the point when we can come to these conclusions, and if it is indeed thought too be to dangerous, they shall shift their efforts away from research and toward worldwide regulation... Because we know that people are not going to stop experimenting, it would definitely help us dramatically if some barriers, and enforcement policies, for violations of the regulatory system were set in place, that the entire world was made to agree upon.
I would like to think it would be nice if they could get SCR to the point where they could save/rehabilitate current lives, and no further. (punishable by swift enforcement) It is a very sad thought that many lives have perished because SCR was not pursued in the past. To me though, it is a far more disturbing thought that many more lives could have perished in the future if it was.
Heh, I think that is a very naive statement, dopple.
The ability to ask "what if" has always been a positive thing, and therefore should never cease to exist. Especially when dealing with scientific research....
As well, as adding to the destructive nature of everything on that list, as well as several more.
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Exacly. Even if a lot of people agree we shouldn't research it and develop it, there are six billion people in over hundreds of different nations. Someone will research this, and the best way to control something and prevent it from being misused is to understand it, which will require researching it.
While I agree that with the amount of people of on our planet, this is something that is going to be researched, either way... as it already has been (and has never stopped) in many countries. I think uniting ourselves (the world) to research this, will only increase the speed of which this knowledge is attained, which will in turn decrease the chances we have of properly regulating it. I think many people have different interpretations of the word "misused"
I ask you this, If the atom bomb was not researched and developed to the point it is at, would it they have been dropped on Hiroshima? I am sure someone, or some team, somewhere would have figured it out any way, but perhaps it would not have happened until (M.A.D) agreement was in place, hence preventing (regulating) the use of them. This is just one example, And I am sure there are a wealth of counter arguments against that statement too. To say that something will be controlled just because we understand it... does not always apply to the situation though. Sometimes it is a good idea, to wait until we can better handle/regulate the use of such consequences that arise when diving into the unknown. I feel this is one of those times.
Interesting Equinox, While my opinion and views tend to change as I understand these things better, can you say the same?? I think saying that anyone understands these things on a level that is required to fully comprehend these "consequences" is very naive. So at this point, it is all speculation.... I just always like to think "what if" respectably, both negatively and positively....
At this point all we can do is speculate, because we in fact do not have the evidence required to do anything but that at this point, I think that attempting to say we do,(when obviously we don't) is in fact wrong, and a poor judgment call , by anyone.
I can/will always admit that I may in fact be wrong, and WILL change my viewpoint if sufficient evidence exists/arises to make me do so... can you say the same? I hope so....^_^
I still do not think you realize the consequences behind this (Pandora's box) that we are attempting to open.
It may in fact be the destruction of our species in the long run... or it very well may be the knowledge that saves us from destroying ourselves. Right now it is impossible to say for sure which, but my speculation right now tells me it will be the first one... which is why I think we should wait until an appropriate time to pursue this research.
One of the defining factors of humanity is our strive towards knowledge. Thus, someone is going to figure out how to use stemcells for all sorts of things eventually, with good intentions or bad. Best way to control that, and to use it for good things at the same time, is to udnerstand it. Thus research and develop it.
I agree completely, the acquiring of this knowledge is inevitable, but there are always going to be people (powerful people) out there who use this knowledge for bad, because sadly, with great knowledge and power, also comes the abuse of it"
I know it would be impossible to regulate anything, and I fear (right now anyway) that these negative effects of this knowledge far outweigh the positive ones.
I kind of hope that all ten people, die, shorty after they are injected, I know it may seem cruel, (and it in fact is) but I think/hope FEAR will end up keeping this tomb of knowledge sealed.
After all, there are things in our universe that should not be trifled with and right now, I think Stem cell research is one of them. I may still change my opinion on that too, ironically enough, that depends on the nature of the results of these clinical tests....
I wonder If the Lot of people actually realize the consequences of opening this (Pandora's) box?
Probably, not.
And Equinox, If you read the first page, I provided a link explaining the policy on stem cell research in the world. I think it only goes up to 2007 though, I kind of want to see the newly revised one (if it exists yet)
This guy from my town is going to be my hero if he ends up walking again. (right now he is paralyzed from waist down)
A lot of people think it's going to be BAM injected, two weeks later you are walking.....No..... it takes years of physical recovery.... I think these ten people will bring new breakthroughs to the field of stem cell research, and knowledge of ourselves, our anatomy, and the possibilities in our universe alike. With great knowledge and power, also, unfortunately comes the abuse of it.
That being said, I still do not know where I stand on the position of "do I think this is a wise path to travel ?" for the good of our species in general...right now... I am leading towards (no it is in fact not right) and we should abandon our efforts immediately. But I will elaborate on that more, when I have a better understanding of the consequences stem cell research poses, consequences such as: immortality for one... overpopulation ... playing god.
Did'nt they use stem cells to regrow a piece of some girl's skull?
Can't answer cause I don't know (I searched)
But I can tell you this. Though other countries have claimed to have done similar research, it will be the first time that the results from the study will be clearly disseminated to scientists and physicians around the world.
Another Tidbit I missed that happened today;
Friday, Obama signed an executive order reversing Bush's ban on funding for international groups that aid in abortions. (This can only help stem cell research)
if you want to read the full article it's in my other post.
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This is certainly harder than I thought... I am still struggling to understand many things.
Pandora's box is open.. I accept that... now we must attempt to begin to analyze the beast that crept out.
Bare with me.. I have almost completed it.:)
I am currently compiling a list, as I mentioned in an earlier post... I am hoping to be finished tomorrow... the arguments are definitely existent... It is just a matter of deciphering the mumbo-jumbo that these scientist type's expect normal people to understand. I am currently in the process of trying to do that...
I will say this though, the nations with "more pressing matters" are not going to be the ones spending millions (or more) you should know that..... these nations are likely going to be the ones that are abusing SCR.
The nations which spend the most money developing this scientific research will likely be the ones to attempt to enforce these regulations.
(on a side note, sometimes you gots to read over what people write a few times to fully understand or grasp what they are trying to say, (like I had to with your last post) ) so sorry if that was hard for you to understand.
That is when we need to focus our efforts on swift enforcement polices, and take action.
Metallica Lines: "They think our heads are in their hands, but violent use brings violent plans" "They see it right, they see it well, but they think this saves from our hell"
I know they were referring to something a little different, but this applies to my view on the situation.
No matter what the world tries to enforce..., people are going to use this technology and knowledge for bad things...., very bad things.... the only thing we (as a planet) can do, is try to the best of our abilities to stop them. Protect the good parts, and banish the bad, I know realize this (violators should be punished severely) if caught.. I will list a few of the other things that I consider to be violations when I return from hockey. There definitely is good in this research... I am not denying that... I realized that, back when I was in high school a few years ago, for the longest time though, I have been stressing myself over the consequences of SCR....
You need to re-think this. While they can't be everywhere at once, they sure as hell try.
A good example would be the world wide policy on bomb testing.....
Exactly my thoughts.... I think we need to calculate this risk factor (consequences) to the best of our abilities, before we proceed with this research. Right now I do not think that they have done this properly.....
That being said, ironically I now believe that we are going to have to proceed with phase 1 (world wide unison) on SCR (stem cell research) or most of the world anyway, to properly analyze and predict these risks. This may even require that scientific research begins.... but does only that. I think we should only do enough research, until we are at the point when we can come to these conclusions, and if it is indeed thought too be to dangerous, they shall shift their efforts away from research and toward worldwide regulation... Because we know that people are not going to stop experimenting, it would definitely help us dramatically if some barriers, and enforcement policies, for violations of the regulatory system were set in place, that the entire world was made to agree upon.
I would like to think it would be nice if they could get SCR to the point where they could save/rehabilitate current lives, and no further. (punishable by swift enforcement) It is a very sad thought that many lives have perished because SCR was not pursued in the past. To me though, it is a far more disturbing thought that many more lives could have perished in the future if it was.
The ability to ask "what if" has always been a positive thing, and therefore should never cease to exist. Especially when dealing with scientific research....
As well, as adding to the destructive nature of everything on that list, as well as several more.
While I agree that with the amount of people of on our planet, this is something that is going to be researched, either way... as it already has been (and has never stopped) in many countries. I think uniting ourselves (the world) to research this, will only increase the speed of which this knowledge is attained, which will in turn decrease the chances we have of properly regulating it. I think many people have different interpretations of the word "misused"
I ask you this, If the atom bomb was not researched and developed to the point it is at, would it they have been dropped on Hiroshima? I am sure someone, or some team, somewhere would have figured it out any way, but perhaps it would not have happened until (M.A.D) agreement was in place, hence preventing (regulating) the use of them. This is just one example, And I am sure there are a wealth of counter arguments against that statement too. To say that something will be controlled just because we understand it... does not always apply to the situation though. Sometimes it is a good idea, to wait until we can better handle/regulate the use of such consequences that arise when diving into the unknown. I feel this is one of those times.
At this point all we can do is speculate, because we in fact do not have the evidence required to do anything but that at this point, I think that attempting to say we do,(when obviously we don't) is in fact wrong, and a poor judgment call , by anyone.
I can/will always admit that I may in fact be wrong, and WILL change my viewpoint if sufficient evidence exists/arises to make me do so... can you say the same? I hope so....^_^
It may in fact be the destruction of our species in the long run... or it very well may be the knowledge that saves us from destroying ourselves. Right now it is impossible to say for sure which, but my speculation right now tells me it will be the first one... which is why I think we should wait until an appropriate time to pursue this research.
In the future though, there may very well be.
Sometimes it is better to wait, until you are ready/able to deal with the consequences of having such knowledge. I feel this is one of those cases.
I agree completely, the acquiring of this knowledge is inevitable, but there are always going to be people (powerful people) out there who use this knowledge for bad, because sadly, with great knowledge and power, also comes the abuse of it"
I know it would be impossible to regulate anything, and I fear (right now anyway) that these negative effects of this knowledge far outweigh the positive ones.
I kind of hope that all ten people, die, shorty after they are injected, I know it may seem cruel, (and it in fact is) but I think/hope FEAR will end up keeping this tomb of knowledge sealed.
After all, there are things in our universe that should not be trifled with and right now, I think Stem cell research is one of them. I may still change my opinion on that too, ironically enough, that depends on the nature of the results of these clinical tests....
I wonder If the Lot of people actually realize the consequences of opening this (Pandora's) box?
Probably, not.
And Equinox, If you read the first page, I provided a link explaining the policy on stem cell research in the world. I think it only goes up to 2007 though, I kind of want to see the newly revised one (if it exists yet)
A lot of people think it's going to be BAM injected, two weeks later you are walking.....No..... it takes years of physical recovery.... I think these ten people will bring new breakthroughs to the field of stem cell research, and knowledge of ourselves, our anatomy, and the possibilities in our universe alike.
With great knowledge and power, also, unfortunately comes the abuse of it.
That being said, I still do not know where I stand on the position of "do I think this is a wise path to travel ?" for the good of our species in general...right now... I am leading towards (no it is in fact not right) and we should abandon our efforts immediately. But I will elaborate on that more, when I have a better understanding of the consequences stem cell research poses, consequences such as: immortality for one... overpopulation ... playing god.
Can't answer cause I don't know (I searched)
But I can tell you this. Though other countries have claimed to have done similar research, it will be the first time that the results from the study will be clearly disseminated to scientists and physicians around the world.
Another Tidbit I missed that happened today;
Friday, Obama signed an executive order reversing Bush's ban on funding for international groups that aid in abortions. (This can only help stem cell research)
if you want to read the full article it's in my other post.