Your first point is unsubstantiated. Having read this forum for many years, I can safely say that there are plenty of bad posts being produced by "the regulars". You did not produce a reason why lurkers, who are diehard d3 fans, should be excluded based on a registration date. Your point that fansites ought to reward specific groups of members with betakeys is still not convincing. We get that you feel that you should get some kind of advantage over others, but beyond feeling its just not a good argument.
I'm sure you read Bibi's post about the legal issues involved in favoritism too.
If by "specific groups of members" you mean "the posters that make a forum - a forum", the people that create the content that you read on daily basis without contribution, then yes, I believe me and Sabvre do mean exactly such people.
You need to clarify one thing in your post. -> Contributing members <-
Lurkers are going to argue that they are fans... and they very well maybe. However, for all we know they only checked this site once in a great while and in stead frequented the other sites. Or that they only checked once a month... etc.
Lurkers do not contribute to the community, but they get our banter from our conversations.
By all means that's exactly what I meant. Thing is though - the site has around 3000 constant members lurking and around 100 that actually make the posts that can qualify. So...
I would have been fine if Diablo fans had given away 450 keys to random people without announcing it. I would have been fine if they were all noobs.
This, in my opinion, is absolutely the best way to do it. Also add a rule that "registering only for the contest will not work". After all, who are you giving keys to? The community? Or absolutely every living man alive? So why is this a fansite if it's the second? Isn't this Blizz's way of saying "guys, we gave keys to the biggest websites so that you don't judge us on giving them out too randomly to, for example, people that only play SC2 or WoW, or even people's 3rd and 4th accounts", and then the fansites go ahead and actually don't give keys to the fans. It's really sad.
If Blizz wanted to do that they would've just given them to IGN or Gamespot. At least that's my logic. If you only want to make noise about the keys and stay aloft with the headlines then just give me out to whoever is writing the headlines. These 450 keys seem like they were a gesture towards the actual fanbase.
edit: Damn. Didn't notice the post got so long. TL;DR - I complain about the contest. Sorry for the size, I guess I'm passionate about this. :]
Why? Why does the most prestigious fansite on Diablo, named Diablofans not want to cater to its fans. The last time you gave out beta keys you relied on subjective humor and paint/photoshop skills. For the second one - some have it, some don't - everyone can try though. The first one? Well that's entirely up to the few people running the site. So basically it's wasn't "the best captions win", as it wasn't debatable, but it was "the caption that the few of us who own the site acknowledge as humor wins". Ok, that's fair - you own the site so... I suppose it's not too unfair, considering after all that you're giving out Beta keys and not keys to the Buckingham palace. It intrigued me however, that it wasn't really about the fans, was it?
And this time? "The guys that have enough time to refresh our Facebook and Twitter pages throughout the whole day will have a chance of winning, assuming all the Diablo knowledge is engraved in their heads, because they won't have time to double check when the opportunity arises, get a key!"
And you don't see nothing wrong with that? I really, really do not want to, yet again, complain on giving out keys, but at least I want to know if other people feel the same way about things, as I do. You received 450 keys, and instead of giving them out on fans you prefer to generate revenue, telling new people that "now is the time to register and spam our forums". What about all the "constructive" posts that exist right now? I'm not saying I deserve a key for what posts I've done, even if, just to keep my dignity, I do admit I refer to some of my posts here as being informative and constructive (aside from this one and others like it). But there are THOUSANDS of brilliant posts that I myself, and many other like me, consume on a daily basis. And they all spring out without the site leadership encouraging it. It's almost as if people just love the game and like talking about it and thinking about it. So how wouldn't it have been fair to give them some keys? Even 100 of them. Even 50. Like, going out there and saying: "Hey Diablo fans, because you're such a loyal and lovable bunch we've decided to distribute 50 keys among some of our greatest posters. Cheers to you!"
I don't even know what to say about the Twitter/FB contests. They are quite beyond "the fans of our site" going into the "people that generally like video games and remember a few details that emerged around the announcement of Diablo 3 that happened to be in the right place, at the right time". I don't even get the Twitter/FB trend that sites have these days. Why do you need thousand of followers on those sites? People that go around on Twitter a lot will follow you on Twitter and come to the site through links there, generating revenue for the site as they do. But people that just, actually, visit this site everyday? Why do they need to create accounts and follow you, when they're already generating revenue right here?
I understand that Blizz can give out keys as they like. They gave out a hundred thousand keys to Americans, with promises that "other localizations are soon to follow". Three weeks later I'm sure the localized servers haven't even been assembled yet. But when it comes to the fansites I assumed the first hundred people would've been the actual fans.
Honestly, I'm not mad or angry, or too annoyed, so people like Fuzzy up there don't need to tell me to chill. But when I browse the forums and see people with 900+ posts that go "yeah, haven't had luck with the keys yet :<" it just, truthfully, breaks my heart. I'm simply bewildered as to what the "fans" part of the site's name stands for. As it's certainly not about the type of people I quoted 2 sentences back.
The saddest part is that, over my not-so-long time spent on this site (half a year + a few without an account) I've seen almost the entire moderation team grow up from normal posters to employees and Boub taking over the site was, in my opinion, one of the greatest decisions Curse have made. So where are these contest ideas coming from?
(No, this post is not about me, as even if I don't have a key I've had a generous friend letting me in on more than a few occasions.)
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Wise ElderIf Blizz wanted to do that they would've just given them to IGN or Gamespot. At least that's my logic. If you only want to make noise about the keys and stay aloft with the headlines then just give me out to whoever is writing the headlines. These 450 keys seem like they were a gesture towards the actual fanbase.
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Wise ElderWhy? Why does the most prestigious fansite on Diablo, named Diablofans not want to cater to its fans. The last time you gave out beta keys you relied on subjective humor and paint/photoshop skills. For the second one - some have it, some don't - everyone can try though. The first one? Well that's entirely up to the few people running the site. So basically it's wasn't "the best captions win", as it wasn't debatable, but it was "the caption that the few of us who own the site acknowledge as humor wins". Ok, that's fair - you own the site so... I suppose it's not too unfair, considering after all that you're giving out Beta keys and not keys to the Buckingham palace. It intrigued me however, that it wasn't really about the fans, was it?
And this time? "The guys that have enough time to refresh our Facebook and Twitter pages throughout the whole day will have a chance of winning, assuming all the Diablo knowledge is engraved in their heads, because they won't have time to double check when the opportunity arises, get a key!"
And you don't see nothing wrong with that? I really, really do not want to, yet again, complain on giving out keys, but at least I want to know if other people feel the same way about things, as I do. You received 450 keys, and instead of giving them out on fans you prefer to generate revenue, telling new people that "now is the time to register and spam our forums". What about all the "constructive" posts that exist right now? I'm not saying I deserve a key for what posts I've done, even if, just to keep my dignity, I do admit I refer to some of my posts here as being informative and constructive (aside from this one and others like it). But there are THOUSANDS of brilliant posts that I myself, and many other like me, consume on a daily basis. And they all spring out without the site leadership encouraging it. It's almost as if people just love the game and like talking about it and thinking about it. So how wouldn't it have been fair to give them some keys? Even 100 of them. Even 50. Like, going out there and saying: "Hey Diablo fans, because you're such a loyal and lovable bunch we've decided to distribute 50 keys among some of our greatest posters. Cheers to you!"
I don't even know what to say about the Twitter/FB contests. They are quite beyond "the fans of our site" going into the "people that generally like video games and remember a few details that emerged around the announcement of Diablo 3 that happened to be in the right place, at the right time". I don't even get the Twitter/FB trend that sites have these days. Why do you need thousand of followers on those sites? People that go around on Twitter a lot will follow you on Twitter and come to the site through links there, generating revenue for the site as they do. But people that just, actually, visit this site everyday? Why do they need to create accounts and follow you, when they're already generating revenue right here?
I understand that Blizz can give out keys as they like. They gave out a hundred thousand keys to Americans, with promises that "other localizations are soon to follow". Three weeks later I'm sure the localized servers haven't even been assembled yet. But when it comes to the fansites I assumed the first hundred people would've been the actual fans.
Honestly, I'm not mad or angry, or too annoyed, so people like Fuzzy up there don't need to tell me to chill. But when I browse the forums and see people with 900+ posts that go "yeah, haven't had luck with the keys yet :<" it just, truthfully, breaks my heart. I'm simply bewildered as to what the "fans" part of the site's name stands for. As it's certainly not about the type of people I quoted 2 sentences back.
The saddest part is that, over my not-so-long time spent on this site (half a year + a few without an account) I've seen almost the entire moderation team grow up from normal posters to employees and Boub taking over the site was, in my opinion, one of the greatest decisions Curse have made. So where are these contest ideas coming from?
(No, this post is not about me, as even if I don't have a key I've had a generous friend letting me in on more than a few occasions.)
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