And the others ment not to take your theory so serious and rub it in everyones face.
Daemaro takes his idea so seriously because its more likely to be right than anything else. I mean honestly, think about it, who else could that angel be?
You guys are arguing like you haven't learned anything about debating in your life. The first rule is a person is going to stand behind what they believe until proven otherwise. That being said, telling Daemaro hes wrong because you think such-n-such is not a good argument. You have to have some sort of hard evidence for why he might be wrong. And from personal experience, Daemaro takes it well. I was the first to intelligently argue the "upturned sword" deal. Daemaro didn't come back with shots at me saying I'm wrong because he thinks its an upturned sword. Instead, he pointed out that I was the first to put some real thought and research into it. He took my argument for what it was rather than just saying I was wrong. Whether I changed his mind or not (I didn't, but I wasn't trying to, I just don't see that as an upturned sword. I do think its Imperius) isn't important. The fact that he took my argument into consideration, is.
I happened to read through the past couple pages and it was all about if diablo is in the game and will he be the last boss. First of all, off topic is off topic, it doesn't matter if it was just for a few posts. Secondly, Daemaro was right when he pointed out that Baal was the true villain in D2. Sure, diablo started out as the last boss, as he may well be the same in D3, but that doesn't mean it will stay that way.
Didn't Cain also mention something about having other nursemaids? It was right before he took the portal out, I can't check at the moment, but I'm pretty sure.
He says, "If it isn't one nursemaid its another, hmph."
Yeah I saw that, must've overlooked the part where you asked for my opinion.
I'm no lore expert like some people here. I haven't read any of the books, so all I know beyond the game's info is what I've read on this forum.
That being said, I don't see any reason for Cain to not think that he may be dying soon. He was old in Diablo1 and I don't know the time frame between 1 and 2 but 2 and 3 is apparently 20 years, he's getting on up there in age.
On the other hand, Sanctuary is clearly not "Earth" and therefore may or may not be limited by its boundaries such as age. I read somewhere on here that the average life span in Sanctuary is 30 to 40 years (something like that). Which would mean Cain is more than we think he is, or hes got some wicked voodoo magic going on.
Its hard to really say whats going on with Cain. But seeing as they've brought in someone else that appears to be a follower I would assume that he is dying. People have talked a lot about how Cain called her a "Nursemaid" but I think its very clear that shes more than that to him. If she was just some random nursemaid then there wouldn't be all this artwork, Blizzard wouldn't have confirmed her identity, you know?
For the most part, I agree, but I can't be too certain of anything really at this point. We'll need more artwork that matches up with other artworks, or more story in Cain's journal, something.
No I think it is more or so along the lines of Tyrael is already in the cathedral then Imperius is the meteor...then smashes through the cathedral ground and ascends out of the hole.
This makes more sense than Imperius casting Tyrael out of heaven because it has been scrutinized to the very last detail and confirmed that in the pics of the angel or whatever on fire the background scenery IS the inside of the Tristram chapel. Which would mean that whoever that is, is really the meteor.
Daemaro, I know I did a lengthy post about if that really is what an upturned sword would look like. Although I disagree with the imagery, I do agree that what we're looking at is Imperius coming down from the heavens to meet Tyrael.
HOWEVER
I don't think that the meteor crash images and the angel coming up are very close as far as placing them on a timeline. We can clearly see Leah looking down the hole the meteor created. Also, Tyrael is the angel on the blizzard.com/diablo3 website, and he's in the Tristram chapel (notice the chandelier in the background). If those 2 events were close together it would mean that Tyrael and Leah are in the chapel at the same time, then Imperius shows up. What would Tyrael want with a little girl?
"I was reading book X earlier and I got to the description of Imperius where it says that on his chest was an upturned sword. I didn't exactly know what this meant so I tried to figure it out online and nothing I came up with was any help at all. I thought that maybe I would email you for further explanation. Is an upturned sword vertical with the blade point up, or the hilt up? Or is it horizontal with the blade edge upward? Could it possibly be something else?
I know it seems like a minuscule detail, but I like to imagine what is happening while I'm reading and for some reason this is really bothering me. Any help you have will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, your-name-here"
-I used book X because I don't know the actual book name.
-The letter is designed to make him feel you're genuinely interested in this detail and that the answer is the only thing that will put it to rest.
-I didn't mention anything about this site, or the Diablo3 announcement to lead him away from the fact that its being discussed in the artwork. Maybe I don't know about it.
-Using your real name will make him feel you've established a connection to him and his writings; he'll feel more inclined to answer.
Adding "Hi, Mr. Knaak" as an opening line would've helped too. I wouldn't have used his first name though.
Ok guys I did something either smart or stupid. I wrote Knaak an e-mail to try and finally find out what he ment by upturned. Hopefully he will get back to me soon.
I can only hope you neglected to mention anything about the artwork in your email. There should be nothing to persuade his answer other than what he envisioned when writing the book.
but it also leads me to believe that the majority of people have no clue what a upturned sword is. This could include Blizzard or Richard Knaak the author of the books.
This could be very true. I didn't mention it but I did some google image searches as well for upturned swords and no position of a sword came up frequently enough to effectively make a decision.
Maybe no one knows what an upturned sword really is.
For anyone who thinks the sword isn't "upturned"...
Think about it, the natural way you wield a sword is like this:
So if you upturn it it would be with the hilt on top.
It's tricky wording.
Nothing personal to you Daemaro, but that just doesn't look like an "upturned" sword to me. Yes, I read your thing about it being tricky wording. Even beyond that, it doesn't even resemble a sword to me, more like a cross.
So I did some research.. I google searched "define: upturn" as well as upturned, upturn sword, and upturned sword; nothing was of relevance. Next, I googled "What is an upturned sword" and on the first 2 pages of results, I got all this...
This could be taken as earlier said that the sword would be horizontal with blade turned up, or as vertical with the point of the blade in the air; as I don't think hurdling sword hilts is that breathtaking or dangerous.
--VIDEO--
This last quote also enforces the sword laying horizontal with blade turned up.
So there you have it, quotes from the first two pages of a google search "what is an upturned sword." I should also mention that there were no results saying that an upturned sword could be vertical with hilt in the air.
In any case, think what you want Daemaro, I'm not convinced.
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Daemaro takes his idea so seriously because its more likely to be right than anything else. I mean honestly, think about it, who else could that angel be?
You guys are arguing like you haven't learned anything about debating in your life. The first rule is a person is going to stand behind what they believe until proven otherwise. That being said, telling Daemaro hes wrong because you think such-n-such is not a good argument. You have to have some sort of hard evidence for why he might be wrong. And from personal experience, Daemaro takes it well. I was the first to intelligently argue the "upturned sword" deal. Daemaro didn't come back with shots at me saying I'm wrong because he thinks its an upturned sword. Instead, he pointed out that I was the first to put some real thought and research into it. He took my argument for what it was rather than just saying I was wrong. Whether I changed his mind or not (I didn't, but I wasn't trying to, I just don't see that as an upturned sword. I do think its Imperius) isn't important. The fact that he took my argument into consideration, is.
I happened to read through the past couple pages and it was all about if diablo is in the game and will he be the last boss. First of all, off topic is off topic, it doesn't matter if it was just for a few posts. Secondly, Daemaro was right when he pointed out that Baal was the true villain in D2. Sure, diablo started out as the last boss, as he may well be the same in D3, but that doesn't mean it will stay that way.
I'm no lore expert like some people here. I haven't read any of the books, so all I know beyond the game's info is what I've read on this forum.
That being said, I don't see any reason for Cain to not think that he may be dying soon. He was old in Diablo1 and I don't know the time frame between 1 and 2 but 2 and 3 is apparently 20 years, he's getting on up there in age.
On the other hand, Sanctuary is clearly not "Earth" and therefore may or may not be limited by its boundaries such as age. I read somewhere on here that the average life span in Sanctuary is 30 to 40 years (something like that). Which would mean Cain is more than we think he is, or hes got some wicked voodoo magic going on.
Its hard to really say whats going on with Cain. But seeing as they've brought in someone else that appears to be a follower I would assume that he is dying. People have talked a lot about how Cain called her a "Nursemaid" but I think its very clear that shes more than that to him. If she was just some random nursemaid then there wouldn't be all this artwork, Blizzard wouldn't have confirmed her identity, you know?
For the most part, I agree, but I can't be too certain of anything really at this point. We'll need more artwork that matches up with other artworks, or more story in Cain's journal, something.
I mean I guess since Imperius is supposed to be ingited or whatever. I dunno.
Moar artwerkz pl0x
This makes more sense than Imperius casting Tyrael out of heaven because it has been scrutinized to the very last detail and confirmed that in the pics of the angel or whatever on fire the background scenery IS the inside of the Tristram chapel. Which would mean that whoever that is, is really the meteor.
Daemaro, I know I did a lengthy post about if that really is what an upturned sword would look like. Although I disagree with the imagery, I do agree that what we're looking at is Imperius coming down from the heavens to meet Tyrael.
HOWEVER
I don't think that the meteor crash images and the angel coming up are very close as far as placing them on a timeline. We can clearly see Leah looking down the hole the meteor created. Also, Tyrael is the angel on the blizzard.com/diablo3 website, and he's in the Tristram chapel (notice the chandelier in the background). If those 2 events were close together it would mean that Tyrael and Leah are in the chapel at the same time, then Imperius shows up. What would Tyrael want with a little girl?
You should've said something along the lines of..
"I was reading book X earlier and I got to the description of Imperius where it says that on his chest was an upturned sword. I didn't exactly know what this meant so I tried to figure it out online and nothing I came up with was any help at all. I thought that maybe I would email you for further explanation. Is an upturned sword vertical with the blade point up, or the hilt up? Or is it horizontal with the blade edge upward? Could it possibly be something else?
I know it seems like a minuscule detail, but I like to imagine what is happening while I'm reading and for some reason this is really bothering me. Any help you have will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, your-name-here"
-I used book X because I don't know the actual book name.
-The letter is designed to make him feel you're genuinely interested in this detail and that the answer is the only thing that will put it to rest.
-I didn't mention anything about this site, or the Diablo3 announcement to lead him away from the fact that its being discussed in the artwork. Maybe I don't know about it.
-Using your real name will make him feel you've established a connection to him and his writings; he'll feel more inclined to answer.
Adding "Hi, Mr. Knaak" as an opening line would've helped too. I wouldn't have used his first name though.
Thats my 2 cents.
Maybe no one knows what an upturned sword really is.
Nothing personal to you Daemaro, but that just doesn't look like an "upturned" sword to me. Yes, I read your thing about it being tricky wording. Even beyond that, it doesn't even resemble a sword to me, more like a cross.
So I did some research.. I google searched "define: upturn" as well as upturned, upturn sword, and upturned sword; nothing was of relevance. Next, I googled "What is an upturned sword" and on the first 2 pages of results, I got all this...
This would suggest that an upturned sword would be lying horizontal with the blade turned up so that one could sit on it.
This could be taken as earlier said that the sword would be horizontal with blade turned up, or as vertical with the point of the blade in the air; as I don't think hurdling sword hilts is that breathtaking or dangerous.
This IMO further enforces the sword horizontally with blade side up. To argue, a sword hilt could hardly split a scarf in half by its own weight.
--VIDEO--
This last quote also enforces the sword laying horizontal with blade turned up.
So there you have it, quotes from the first two pages of a google search "what is an upturned sword." I should also mention that there were no results saying that an upturned sword could be vertical with hilt in the air.
In any case, think what you want Daemaro, I'm not convinced.