Holy crap panth owns these days. had a game last night where i completed a glass cannon build and had over 560 dmg! id flatten there team and a heartseaker strike(problem was anyone of them easily flattened me cause i was so piss poor in defense).
The confusion aspect: Skills should not change. Duration of effects should change, that is all. lets say u have a move that stuns for 5 seconds in pve. 5 seconds in PvP is a long time, to long, so they can(because jay has said so in his latest interviews at the conference) change the duration and scale it down in a pvp scenario, and relatively easily. The more players you make in a team the easier it gets. 3v3 is generally pretty good for balancing without much work so 3v3 arena is pretty ideal. I suspect that is why it was chosen in the first place.
PvP is optional. Its not a must, you don't have to pvp. Some people take it very hardcore(i do) and some just jump in and wanna beat the shit outta there buddy every once and a while for a giggle. So make a rated arena system, and make a non rated arena system.
Hell they had simple rated and non rated options in wow when you go 2 the arena master 2 que up, its really not hard. They have a mountain of options to chose from in the actually pvp contest structure(last man standing, death match, capture the flag). there is such potential for all of them it sounds like so much fun, especially considering this is a game with NO HEALERS! Every1 is there to beat the shit out of each other and skill cap will be so high on every class because of it. Its exciting!
Just wish blizzard would make the game for the people. They don't want to split players up, what a load of shit. we want to be split up! DO IT.
Edit: had to fix spelling and grammar, god i need a new keyboard
For the people who were very put off by the RMAH but weren't put off enough by it to "quit", this isn't a good alternative. It's their only alternative.
This will be my alternative. I still want the game, i just don't want that bullshit. the 4 years i expected 2 blow on this game(like i did diablo 2) has now reduced to about 4 weeks. I hang on this site and on the blizzard one just praying they change there mind. I wont give up hope, but at least theres a little bit of silver in the black lining to an awesome game.
I like it as an alternative to arena pvp. I thj k there should be an semi competitive element to the pv and that's what there changes lack. There's no point. Need ladders and tiles Nd that will make it engaging and fun. On the otherhand not everyone is into that and I understand that. This system should be included to so that you can play a more relaxed style of pvp also. Kind of like competition and non competition and let there systems and win loss/ladder systems be completely seperate.
I can't believe we even have to complain about this it angers me that they have such a shithouse view of pvp. This we be what makes or breaks the game for men and I hate to say It but under the current system I can't see myself enjoying the game. For more than a month or 2.
Honestly after all the grinding (buying items with $$) what good is Diablo 3 if you can't even have fun with your new gear in PvP? People mostly grind bosses and farm to get better gear to PvP, not to be able to beat bosses faster cause after a while it's just boring doing the same thing a million times for no reason. I'm still buying the game hoping it's good but i definitely have a bad taste in my mouth after all the new info.
I personally hate Jay's opinion of PvP. Its a source of healthy competition and expands the game and the classes immensely. I really think they should adopt an arena system, not for the elite but for everyone. Having something like a ladder to progress through brings great self satisfaction and enjoyment and i really think they are selling the game short without it.
He talks of being able to alter skills in regards to cool downs and cc affect lengths, and yet refuses to do any balancing for pvp what so ever. Jay you are an asshole, all you have to do is change the duration while in an arena and avowal.
I like the idea they put forward but as an informal approach. You can have both, I don't see why they just have it the way jay wants it. I'm the one buying the game why do you not care about me, or anyone that shares my view. I found it quite clear that Sixen and force were unimpressed judging by their attacking questions and think there are many that share my view. D3 arena had me very excited until tonight.
I personally would call what they want to implement more of a battleground(and yes I'm pulling straight from wow but u can see where I'm going with it). Battlegrounds could have various objectives and fun things to do in diablo while in a pvp scenario. I love the boys idea of hordes of monsters coming at you(even though that's pve) that makes for a really cool mini-game and could offer up some neat rewards, if even just a notch for your banner.
Epic fail Jay, I'm disgusted i have to share my last name with you.
I plan on writing a nasty email to blizzard outlining many stupid elements to this final press release. RMT is top of the list with their approach to PvP a very close second.
RMT would work fine if Farming sites did not exist. every1 playing would be playing and not working. Therefore people would just be using the currency to trade and not to earn a crust and live. Simply put its the exact same as using an outside currency like D2jsp except run by blizzard.
I totally understand that however. Because there are a number of websites just trying to sell items, there is an excess of supply forcing price down (that's your first lesson in supply and demand curves kids). The auction house "trading" system now becomes a shop to buy items for your character. There becomes less of a reason play the game and farm items to trade, which realistically is a major part of the end game(as was in diablo 2). One can simply log onto the auction house and purchase the items to completely kit out a character, then go kill the hardest minions with ease and seen no fulfillment in the process.
As blizzard states over and over the game is about advancing and gearing your characters, and that's because it comes with that sense of achievement and fulfillment. By facilitating the use of real world currency and thus facilitating the azn farmers your are then directly reducing the enjoyment people will get from actually playing the game. Obviously that will stop people from wanting to play as they will find other games that better fulfill that self satisfaction.
Why do I guys want to pay at all. What's the point in playing? I just don't get it. The whole focus is working on gear and yet they cut that element out by letting u purchase stuff rather than earn it
Wow I am furious. I have not even read the full post ididnt even finish the notes. I read the auction house dot point, skipped to that bit and read the currency based bit. I'm furious that's so retarded! Now to have the best gear i must buy it. That's so dumb. There's no point to playing. Get lvl cap and purchase my items:(
I reAlly hope this changes I no longer am excited for this game at all.
Sure there was d2jsp but the reason that website existed was because diablo 2 had no legit currency. Blizzard having a stable currency would mean there is no reason for fg o ISP because everyone would use real gold. Sure there are farming websites and you just gave them the greenlight to exist. Rather than oppose it blizzard has taken the easy option and decided to just throw there cut on top.
Has blizz thought At all? There's no reason 2 mf, ur better off staying at work for Anouther hour for that extra cash and just buy ur gear for diablo As opposed to earning it and gaining some sense of achievement. And so when u go into a hard dungeon that u couldnt complete because you hadn't geared up enough, well that's ok just whip out ur wallet.
I'm going to read the rest of sixens fine work because I respect him and hope it some how convinces me that d3 might entertain me for a week. Might go take my deposit back for that collectors addition.
grade 6 which is about 10 i think. I showed my mate warcraft 2 tides of darkness and he showed me diablo 1. Still remember he got diablo 2 for his next birthday and i was over at his place and he had a lvl 24 barb with a great helm with the horns and we were like OMFG thats amazing!!!!!!!
Completely agree with where they are comming from and are saying. Sasdly i think it just leaves ladders for pvp though9was kinda cool how d2 was a pve ladder instead of PVP). I would prefer pvp ladders though now that i mention it. Level cap sounded dumb at first like 5 years ago when I started wow, but makes so much sense now.
Id still call a Q4 release, reality is tho they are right and things can go wrong. It is not in there interest to tell share holders of a q4 release and then have it pushed back. Im sure beta will be a really good indicator for their board. I think by Q3 we will know yay or nay.
I'm also sure blizzard don't want to give anything away, and are dirty dogs like that. I reckon they will confirm a date at blizzcon for early December. Should have all my study done by then ready 2 glue myself to this machine.
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Panth needed no buff, but its awesome now lol!
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The confusion aspect: Skills should not change. Duration of effects should change, that is all. lets say u have a move that stuns for 5 seconds in pve. 5 seconds in PvP is a long time, to long, so they can(because jay has said so in his latest interviews at the conference) change the duration and scale it down in a pvp scenario, and relatively easily. The more players you make in a team the easier it gets. 3v3 is generally pretty good for balancing without much work so 3v3 arena is pretty ideal. I suspect that is why it was chosen in the first place.
PvP is optional. Its not a must, you don't have to pvp. Some people take it very hardcore(i do) and some just jump in and wanna beat the shit outta there buddy every once and a while for a giggle. So make a rated arena system, and make a non rated arena system.
Hell they had simple rated and non rated options in wow when you go 2 the arena master 2 que up, its really not hard. They have a mountain of options to chose from in the actually pvp contest structure(last man standing, death match, capture the flag). there is such potential for all of them it sounds like so much fun, especially considering this is a game with NO HEALERS! Every1 is there to beat the shit out of each other and skill cap will be so high on every class because of it. Its exciting!
Just wish blizzard would make the game for the people. They don't want to split players up, what a load of shit. we want to be split up! DO IT.
Edit: had to fix spelling and grammar, god i need a new keyboard
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This will be my alternative. I still want the game, i just don't want that bullshit. the 4 years i expected 2 blow on this game(like i did diablo 2) has now reduced to about 4 weeks. I hang on this site and on the blizzard one just praying they change there mind. I wont give up hope, but at least theres a little bit of silver in the black lining to an awesome game.
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I can't believe we even have to complain about this it angers me that they have such a shithouse view of pvp. This we be what makes or breaks the game for men and I hate to say It but under the current system I can't see myself enjoying the game. For more than a month or 2.
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Everyone knows your thoughts lol
thats pretty much it for me, wtf is the point?
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He talks of being able to alter skills in regards to cool downs and cc affect lengths, and yet refuses to do any balancing for pvp what so ever. Jay you are an asshole, all you have to do is change the duration while in an arena and avowal.
I like the idea they put forward but as an informal approach. You can have both, I don't see why they just have it the way jay wants it. I'm the one buying the game why do you not care about me, or anyone that shares my view. I found it quite clear that Sixen and force were unimpressed judging by their attacking questions and think there are many that share my view. D3 arena had me very excited until tonight.
I personally would call what they want to implement more of a battleground(and yes I'm pulling straight from wow but u can see where I'm going with it). Battlegrounds could have various objectives and fun things to do in diablo while in a pvp scenario. I love the boys idea of hordes of monsters coming at you(even though that's pve) that makes for a really cool mini-game and could offer up some neat rewards, if even just a notch for your banner.
Epic fail Jay, I'm disgusted i have to share my last name with you.
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RMT would work fine if Farming sites did not exist. every1 playing would be playing and not working. Therefore people would just be using the currency to trade and not to earn a crust and live. Simply put its the exact same as using an outside currency like D2jsp except run by blizzard.
I totally understand that however. Because there are a number of websites just trying to sell items, there is an excess of supply forcing price down (that's your first lesson in supply and demand curves kids). The auction house "trading" system now becomes a shop to buy items for your character. There becomes less of a reason play the game and farm items to trade, which realistically is a major part of the end game(as was in diablo 2). One can simply log onto the auction house and purchase the items to completely kit out a character, then go kill the hardest minions with ease and seen no fulfillment in the process.
As blizzard states over and over the game is about advancing and gearing your characters, and that's because it comes with that sense of achievement and fulfillment. By facilitating the use of real world currency and thus facilitating the azn farmers your are then directly reducing the enjoyment people will get from actually playing the game. Obviously that will stop people from wanting to play as they will find other games that better fulfill that self satisfaction.
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I reAlly hope this changes I no longer am excited for this game at all.
Sure there was d2jsp but the reason that website existed was because diablo 2 had no legit currency. Blizzard having a stable currency would mean there is no reason for fg o ISP because everyone would use real gold. Sure there are farming websites and you just gave them the greenlight to exist. Rather than oppose it blizzard has taken the easy option and decided to just throw there cut on top.
Has blizz thought At all? There's no reason 2 mf, ur better off staying at work for Anouther hour for that extra cash and just buy ur gear for diablo As opposed to earning it and gaining some sense of achievement. And so when u go into a hard dungeon that u couldnt complete because you hadn't geared up enough, well that's ok just whip out ur wallet.
I'm going to read the rest of sixens fine work because I respect him and hope it some how convinces me that d3 might entertain me for a week. Might go take my deposit back for that collectors addition.
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P.s shoulda given me the thumbs down sixen
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