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Quote from Ducha

Are they really? Or are you just that ignorant that you actively refuse to listen to any kind of reasoning that people are providing?

I don't necessarily agree with the guy you were talking to, but I will make the following point...

When they announced BoA Josh was pretty headstrong about how killing monsters should be the most rewarding way to play the game. Therefore, if he really meant that, it follows that principle should guide the entire game design. People leveling by specifically NOT killing monsters, but completing bounties on difficulties way too high for them, just because that's the best XP available rather breaks that general philosophy.

Now, as I said before, I don't really give two rats asses anymore... but being as this was brought up during the beta and they didn't address it, I am slightly irked because it feels like something that should have been fixed to be in-line with their previous stance on how we (generally speaking) should be playing the game was left unaddressed so they could rush the patch to us. That just doesn't sit well with me.

As for the people using the "exploit" I really could care less. I just want some consistency from the developers and I want them to stop bending to deadlines. This patch, more than any other, has felt like it was more based on some deadline from the higher-ups than the previous "It's ready when it's ready" that we'd gotten used to. And that irritates me.

Quote from Gealen

Did you expected to beat GR 100 with unkillable pets ?

Holy hyperbole, Batman!

I think most WDs expected that their pets wouldn't start to suffer pretty severe survivability issues starting in GR27, or so.

The issue, quite simply, is that there is a lot of AVOIDABLE damage that players AVOID by using their brains that the AI does NOT AVOID. Mallet Lord smashes come to mind. I have lost all 15 fetishes to a single non-elite mallet lord attack. The issue is not that pets need to be immortal or unkillable. The issue is that, provided the ridiculous damage scaling in GRifts, there needs to be further compensation for the fact that they just stand in shit.

Electrified is another example. Every attack makes a cluster of lightning. When you have 15 fetishes, a zombie dog, a gargantuan, and yourself all attacking that's a LOT of lightning bits flying around that NONE of your pets are dodging. They're just soaking up the damage. Morlu Incinerator meteors. Death Maiden and Dune Dervish spin attacks. Exarch lightning fields. Barbed Lurker poison attacks. The list is fairly lengthy at this point and even includes most Rift Guardian abilities. I just entered a GR28 fight with Blighter and had 15 fetishes. His first five-point poison attack killed ALL 15 of them. Don't you think that's just a bit ridiculous considering the pets don't even try to avoid it?

The basic reality is that the AI doesn't dodge damage; therefore, the things controlled by the AI shouldn't be getting one-shotted and otherwise owned by said damage. While that is the case it relegates anything controlled by the AI to near useless due to the huge damage scaling in GRifts. That's why Jay gave pets their own Force Armor so long ago.... because the pets can't dodge shit. And then Josh scaled damage up so high that Jay's Pet Force Armor isn't even sufficient anymore.

Furthermore, specifically in the case of fetishes, they are a primarily-offensive ability. Yes they distract monsters, as expected, but people are taking them to deal damage. It doesn't make a damned bit of sense to be losing out on damage like that. I kill most T6 elite packs in under 10 seconds. If I get Mallet Lords or Morlu Incinerators it can take me 2+ minutes. Why? Because my offensive output is severely gimped. How could you argue that is a good system? I have a ~10m GR27 personal best clear time. I have failed GR25s because they're full of Morlu Incinerators and Mallet Lords.

Having such a massive, chasmic, disparity between practical monster difficulty just doesn't make sense in Greater Rifts. I understand that's why we have individual leaderboards, but no monsters should be powerful enough to hold a class back 2+ GR levels. That means the real meta game is "I hope I don't get the wrong monsters" and not "I hope I become a better player."

What's sad is that a blue acknowledged that there were pet survivability issues during the beta. They pushed it live anyway.

The only thing that truly disappoints me about this is the beta process.

There was significant feedback on this very issue (as well as others) and it went unaddressed. I don't necessarily care about these things because seasons are stupid anyway. But I do care that pages and pages and pages of feedback on this issue, and others, went unaddressed so they could push this fucking patch out sooner.

Whomever thought of the trials should be punched directly in the taint until they bleed out the nose. Goddamn.

Poll needs a third option:

Doesn't matter/don't care

Lots of people have done variations on the "ice bucket challenge" ... no one cares. It's just some kind of way to add fun to charitable donations.

Quote from Visko

Yay for no offline mode which I've wanted since the announcement that there wasn't going to be one... Not only can I not enjoy Hardcore, but now I can't even enjoy the game at all. Pretty funny design decision there.

You can't enjoy the game because of a bunch of neckbeards.... not because of Blizzard.

This service does, in fact, work the vast majority of the time. I'm not sure why you're being so melodramatic about it. I really doubt PoE fans (who are also effected similarly by this DoS attack) are shitting their pants on the forums about online-only requirements ruining their lives. Only Diablo "fans" would use something like this to knock Blizzard.

Any other rational person sees this for what it is... a bunch of dickheads doing something quite illegal just to get their jollies. At least direct your anger at the people who deserve it.

I'm pretty sure that the Khazra Den bounty had its XP nerfed. In fact, I think they nerfed the XP on all bounties for single-level sub-zones but left the two-level sub-zones bounties alone.

Quote from helpme123

If there is very little Blizzard can do, then they should be down forever.

That's the single stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I mean it's basically as stupid as the "she was wearing a short skirt, so she was asking to be raped" bullshit. Even if Blizzard doesn't protect themselves from DoS attacks, they are still illegal. Trying to denigrate Blizzard on this subject is making excuses for people who are breaking the law and that's despicable on your part.

If my car has no security system that doesn't give anyone the right to steal it. I am completely flabbergasted as to why you are attempting to justify car theft by blaming the owner for not having The Club on their steering wheel. This kind of victim-blaming only occurs on the internet where pathetic little people can talk shit with no repercussions.

I have no doubt that Blizzard could do more. I'm sure I could go out and get a better security system installed on my car too. But when people break the law there is no "well they didn't do enough to prevent me from attacking them" defense. It's nonsensical bullshit.

Quote from Rob64

imcompetence

That's pretty funny right there.

Quote from ruksak

That's where toughness comes in. I see opportunity for a great balance in character building here, but I have not played PTR so......

Do you play HC? I'm curious if your statement is the typical Softcore disconnect with toughness requirements or is there a real serious and unmitigate-able incoming damage?

HC or SC it doesn't really matter. You can only get so much toughness and there are a handful of mechanics that always hit you at least once (Jailer and Thunderstorm are, by far, the biggest offenders although a split-second lapse in reaction time throws Frozen Pulse into the category too). You can only wear one immunity necklace at a time, meaning you'll either be at risk of being one-shotted by arcane damage or lightning damage (or maybe frost damage) when you eventually run into a monster with both affixes, or multiple elites.

Furthermore, GRs are timed, so you can't just stack toughness. You need to be able to kill with some efficiency otherwise you're just cockblocking yourself from a different direction.

Quote from Swillard85

Lastly, to all of you who said I was "lying", or leaving out details, or a botter, or whatever non-sense, try and rethink your approach to people in this kind of situation, because you guys have way too much faith in Blizzard. Believe it or not, Blizzard is a massive company and their ability to limit mistakes is very low. People get wrongly banned all the time, and for people to brand them liars and cheaters just goes to show how little you know about big companies and how they operate/service customers.

Just FYI, broski, before you go getting all righteous here...

For every one person these forums see who ends up exonerated, we see literally dozens and dozens of people who claim they're innocent, and when scrutinized, are not innocent in the least.

Blizzard DOES ban innocent people. Everyone here knows that. No one is denying that. But that fact alone doesn't make ANYONE innocent. It's like saying that the USA has wrongly executed people, therefore I must be innocent of murder. It just doesn't work that way. I'm glad you made your case to Blizzard. I'm glad that whatever proved your innocence was found, but it would behoove you to drop the "they wrongly ban people, therefore I got wrongly banned" train of thought.

Your job, simply, is to prove that you were banned wrongly. I don't see how you've done that, but that goes back to my initial feeling that we haven't heard the whole story. Maybe that worked out in your favor, but if I were the CS rep handling your ban appeal I'd not have overturned the ban either because I just don't see it in the "evidence." Either that or how you're articulating what you're presenting is just not clear to me.

Regardless, a botter could repeat "Blizzard wrongly bans people all the time" and still be guilty as fuck. It has no bearing on anything. End of story.

Quote from Swillard85

Also, as for your "par for the course" claim, was this guy hiding something as well?

I'm not trying to argue with you. If you're genuinely innocent then I hope you can get the shit resolved.

But you, as a rational human being, have to understand that these forums have seen DOZENS and DOZENS and DOZENS of people claiming to be "wrongfully banned" who ultimately weren't telling the whole story and just wanted to vent about how evil Blizzard is by telling half-truths.

We all know that Blizzard tends to overban and then lift the ones that were wrong if the owner can offer some proof that they were wrongly banned. That's their MO. It's how it is, whether you like it or not. The fact that they operate like that, and despite your tickets, didn't lift your ban is more telling than anything. It shows that you haven't "proven" your innocence to them, at all.

There is some reason they're stonewalling you. Nothing you've said convinces me that it's a detail that's been conveniently left out. Do you really think Blizzard wants to risk NOT selling you the RoS box that you claim you were just about to buy over this if they didn't have a good reason? They're not dumb. The man-hours alone dealing with you aren't worth their time unless they have some pretty good reason to ban you. An expansion box sale certainly isn't worth it.

Use your head. Your whole proposition doesn't make much sense from a business perspective. They're wasting resources on you at this point. Why wouldn't they just take the easy road out, un-ban you, and sell you an RoS box? What do they know that we don't know?

Quote from Swillard85

A company telling a paying customer that they refuse to "respond at all" to their issues?

I'm sorry, but you're really stretching the phrase "paying customer."

By your own words, you've not logged in for almost a year. You haven't purchased the expansion. How exactly are you a valued customer again? If they hadn't sent you emails notifying you of activity on your account you probably wouldn't have known anything was happening.

Honestly, I'd love to see the tickets sent to Blizzard. My bet is that they're rant-y and not very professional and that is probably why they got closed. There have been many stories here about people who have been hacked, had their account used for botting, summarily got banned, and were able to get customer service to restore their account. One of the common denominators in those cases is being POLITE, COURTEOUS, and PATIENT with Blizzard.

Judging by how you post here, I'm fairly certain when I say I doubt you were polite, courteous, or patient. In fact, I'm betting one, or more than one, of your tickets probably ranted at them for their "shitty customer service."

Quote from Ducha

That's crazy, I wonder why they would respond in such a way. Are you sure there's no reason as to why they would be acting like that?

There always is a reason. Blizzard gains *nothing* from leaving wrongly-banned accounts (particularly those which were compromised) banned after being contacted by the owner. It's par for the course with these "I GOT UNFAIRLY BANNED" threads for the player to leave out some detail that changes the whole complexion of the discussion.

Quote from yuhanz

The reason they didn't want to touch old legendaries too much is that it will have an effect to people who currently use them, save for old legendaries that are worthless. here we are, awaiting some revamped old legendaries and some new legendaries.

The worthless ones (the ones that have no special property) are exactly the ones they dropped the ball on and we're upset about. You know, for the 3rd or 4th time. That's why it's getting a bit of a tiresome subject. Someone at Blizzard *had* to know that going live with dubious legendaries wouldn't sit well with us after all the hype that Loot 2.0 got. But they rubber-stamped it anyway.

Quote from Bagstone

As long as you realize your mistake and don't stay on the path to darkness, it only helps to prevent doing similar mistakes in the future.

I completely agree, but I don't think that applies in this situation for the following reasons:

1) Both Jay and Josh have taken a stab at fixing itemization. Jay was marginally successful. Josh was more successful, but Josh still fell short.

2) Wyatt was a part of BOTH ventures.

3) Wyatt made that statement *after* being a part of both leads attempting to fix itemization. Meaning that Wyatt, of all people, learned precisely Jack and Shit from his previous experiences.

I seriously lost about all respect for Wyatt I had when he made that single statement. He had the benefit of having TWO attempts to get it right (that's more than Jay got). And when the second attempt wasn't received quite as well as hoped from the community.... largely due to the legendaries that WEREN'T build-changing... Wyatt didn't respond like someone who had been through the process twice before, or like someone who even understood why we disliked Jay's itemization.

After two years of this product being live, I simply expect more from him. He *has* to know by now what was wrong with items in 1.0 and he *has* to know by now what shortcomings 2.0 items have. He's had too many opportunities to learn. He's been a party to too many mistakes that he could have learned from.

That being said, I *applaud* whomever was responsible for basically backtracking that statement to something that was more-desired by us. That person deserves a pat on the back for standing up for us and getting what was *right* done. I definitely don't think the entire team is out-of-touch. I never have. In fact, Wyatt really is the only one whom I think doesn't understand the game, one iota, from a fan's perspective. I think he's busy being in "dev mode" all the time and just doesn't have the ability to put that hat aside and understand why what is good for him may not be good for us and that, ultimately, making a game that's good for the players is more important than what he, or his team, thinks is the best direction. This was clearly a case where the fans were right and one dev, in particular, was completely wrong.

It really would have been nice to hear from Wyatt why he was wrong to say what he said, though. It would help me believe he isn't that guy in an office who doesn't really play his own product with the same passion and vigor as the people who are saying "PLEASE FIX THIS!" and then he says "NAH, NOT A PROBLEM HOMIES, WE'LL DO THIS OTHER THING THAT YOU DON'T LIKE BECAUSE I SAY IT'S BETTER!" I mean it's not like there is much question among the fanbase as to whether or not stat-stick legendaries should be fixed. It's one of the most-universal issues for us fans.