Completely agree with you. I hated in Diablo II having to spend skill points in abilities I wouldn't ever use just because it led to another ability I wanted, or because of the synergies. It always feels crappy to me to have to do that, and WoW did it too in their talent trees and it felt crappy there too.
I personally hated attribute points because I wasn't 100% sure if I was making the best decision on where to spend them. Sure, I could look it up and know that I should have a min of this or that and dump the rest in one stat, etc, but I didn't feel like I should have to go and look up stuff like that.
I think it's right to say that in most cases the people who are hating on Diablo III and certain aspects of it is because they don't know enough about it. It's a change, people hate change, but they don't know how it's changed, so they automatically hate it instead of learning more about it. Most of these people are still probably going to buy the game anyway, then they can decide if they like it or not, after they've actually played it.
precisely. i just reinstalled D2 and first 3 things i hated after 15 min of playing was constant potion spamming, skill points wasted, and using attribute points. just makes me all that much more excited for D3.
the 2 greatest changes IMO would be the no pots/healthglobe feature and most of all the generator skills. which technically is one big change to amount for the no pots feature. so you can ALWAYS be attacking. in D2 your constantly fleeing when you run out of mana with pretty much EVERY class. so annoying. and end-game you HAVE to have a merc with insight basically to constantly attack and then he dies. DOH fleeing again and paying 50k to res him. lol. so many flaws in D2 being fixed makes D3 the greatest ARPG by a million miles
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
..people usualy dont realize that the changes in D3, are not because someone woke up one fine morning and said: "i want to make D3 to be so and so, because i am the sharpest knife on the table"... all these changes came after hours upon hours of brainstorming among the dev's, and they tried many different approaches for to optimize the game in the best possible way...
they came with this build probably because it ended up to be the most optimal... and personally i agree with the result... after seeing all the mechanics of how all this thing work, i dont believe that i can go back to play in the D2 game-style...
sadly no one cares HOW the changes came to be. just that there are changes
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
I am very excited for the new game. I think it will have some of the best aspects of D2 and all of the great newer technology / graphics. Can't wait!
As for WoW... quitting WoW was the best thing I ever did. That game sucks your life away and is truly like being addicted to a drug. I'm going to play D3 a lot, but hopefully I will be able to realize when I'm playing too much and moderate my playtime.
I am very excited for the new game. I think it will have some of the best aspects of D2 and all of the great newer technology / graphics. Can't wait!
As for WoW... quitting WoW was the best thing I ever did. That game sucks your life away and is truly like being addicted to a drug. I'm going to play D3 a lot, but hopefully I will be able to realize when I'm playing too much and moderate my playtime.
i think SOMEONE is in some serious denial....
you'll play D3 just as much. as will i!
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
As for WoW... quitting WoW was the best thing I ever did. That game sucks your life away and is truly like being addicted to a drug. I'm going to play D3 a lot, but hopefully I will be able to realize when I'm playing too much and moderate my playtime.
That's exactly how I felt about that game! So many hours I was just sitting in town doing absolutely nothing... What was the point? I'd like to manage my time well with Diablo III, and considering it doesn't seem to be as much of an epeen competition like WoW is (ex you can't sit in town and show off your gear/mounts/titles/etc) I don't think I will feel like I HAVE to play in order to keep up with all these people who I don't know and don't care about. I will mostly be playing solo in Diablo III, so it's not going to matter if I'm not playing 24/7 to be the best player ever because I'm going to be playing for myself.
precisely. i just reinstalled D2 and first 3 things i hated after 15 min of playing was constant potion spamming, skill points wasted, and using attribute points. just makes me all that much more excited for D3.
the 2 greatest changes IMO would be the no pots/healthglobe feature and most of all the generator skills. which technically is one big change to amount for the no pots feature. so you can ALWAYS be attacking. in D2 your constantly fleeing when you run out of mana with pretty much EVERY class. so annoying. and end-game you HAVE to have a merc with insight basically to constantly attack and then he dies. DOH fleeing again and paying 50k to res him. lol. so many flaws in D2 being fixed makes D3 the greatest ARPG by a million miles
I still play Diablo II, and there's a lot of things I don't like about it, but I still find it fun. I am glad that in Diablo III not every class relies on the same resource, and I doubt I'll have any reason to play Diablo II after Diablo III is out, but who really knows. I did recently reinstall the original Diablo game, just to play through it, and man oh man is it different from Diablo II! It's such a challenge and feels totally different DII. For one... you can't run! Only walk... which is annoying. I think Diablo II took a lot of the good from Diablo, and improved the game, and I think Diablo III will be going in the same direction... taking the good, and making the game better than the last by cutting out things that aren't necessary and adding in things that make the game more enjoyable.
Aside from the offputting graphics/art I was pretty giddy for D3 until SC2 came out. Then I dialed my expectations way back. I expect to play it for a month or two and then not touch it again for a long time. Which is fine really, that's how most good games work. It's just not worth 4 years of hype. I have a feeling when it's all said and done the D2: Median mod will still be the best Diablo experience.
Aside from the offputting graphics/art I was pretty giddy for D3 until SC2 came out. Then I dialed my expectations way back. I expect to play it for a month or two and then not touch it again for a long time. Which is fine really, that's how most good games work. It's just not worth 4 years of hype. I have a feeling when it's all said and done the D2: Median mod will still be the best Diablo experience.
why is D3 only going to last for a month for you? and how would D2 give you a better "diablo" experience?
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
Aside from the offputting graphics/art I was pretty giddy for D3 until SC2 came out. Then I dialed my expectations way back. I expect to play it for a month or two and then not touch it again for a long time. Which is fine really, that's how most good games work. It's just not worth 4 years of hype. I have a feeling when it's all said and done the D2: Median mod will still be the best Diablo experience.
You're being very pessimistic... <_< I will be as bold as to say that I can guarantee you, you'll play the game for more than 2 months...
Those two month wonders you're talking about is like the COD-, Battlefield-, Crysis franchises ect, and pretty much most of the games released today. They release one game every year with a campaign length of around 5 or 6 hours...for me that's not even worth a year's wait. And that's kinda shitty, make an campaign that you'll play a couple of times and then the rest of your playtime is spent in multiplayer. Yes you'll play with your friends online and it will be fun, but that's just it, it's the same over and over again which can be fun for a month or two and then after that you'll just wait for the next "multiplayer"-driver COD. That's just how I feel about most games.
D3 on the other hand will not have multiplayer per se, so you'll play the campaign over and over again, almost totally randomized each playthrough. Even more than D2...and D2 is still being played today. Sorry if this post sounded like I was attacking you, it wasn't.
People were the same way from the shift from Diablo 1 to Diablo2 so it's no surprise that it's happening again.
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I am very excited for the new game. I think it will have some of the best aspects of D2 and all of the great newer technology / graphics. Can't wait!
As for WoW... quitting WoW was the best thing I ever did. That game sucks your life away and is truly like being addicted to a drug. I'm going to play D3 a lot, but hopefully I will be able to realize when I'm playing too much and moderate my playtime.
i think SOMEONE is in some serious denial....
you'll play D3 just as much. as will i!
Na, because in WoW, raiding on X and Y nights was mandatory in order to progress both gear-wise and guild-wise. Back in WotLK, my guild had maybe 28 people for our 25 man raids. It was great for gear, but awful for life. If a few people didn't log in, it basically ruined the night for those other 20 some people. I finally said fuck it and told my guild leader to recruit someone else, that if I was online I would help the guild by raiding but I couldn't sit in every night for 6 hours straight. My life opened up tremendously after I quit raiding and eventually I just quit the game all-together.
With D3 I don't see that happening because I can solo farm whenever the hell I want. Or play with friends if they're online. I don't have to set a specific night to raid or play arena. So much freedom. CANNOT WAIT!
Na, because in WoW, raiding on X and Y nights was mandatory in order to progress both gear-wise and guild-wise. Back in WotLK, my guild had maybe 28 people for our 25 man raids. It was great for gear, but awful for life. If a few people didn't log in, it basically ruined the night for those other 20 some people. I finally said fuck it and told my guild leader to recruit someone else, that if I was online I would help the guild by raiding but I couldn't sit in every night for 6 hours straight. My life opened up tremendously after I quit raiding and eventually I just quit the game all-together.
With D3 I don't see that happening because I can solo farm whenever the hell I want. Or play with friends if they're online. I don't have to set a specific night to raid or play arena. So much freedom. CANNOT WAIT!
i never raided more then twice, because of exactly that. lmao
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
I am very excited for the new game. I think it will have some of the best aspects of D2 and all of the great newer technology / graphics. Can't wait!
As for WoW... quitting WoW was the best thing I ever did. That game sucks your life away and is truly like being addicted to a drug. I'm going to play D3 a lot, but hopefully I will be able to realize when I'm playing too much and moderate my playtime.
i think SOMEONE is in some serious denial....
you'll play D3 just as much. as will i!
Na, because in WoW, raiding on X and Y nights was mandatory in order to progress both gear-wise and guild-wise. Back in WotLK, my guild had maybe 28 people for our 25 man raids. It was great for gear, but awful for life. If a few people didn't log in, it basically ruined the night for those other 20 some people. I finally said fuck it and told my guild leader to recruit someone else, that if I was online I would help the guild by raiding but I couldn't sit in every night for 6 hours straight. My life opened up tremendously after I quit raiding and eventually I just quit the game all-together.
With D3 I don't see that happening because I can solo farm whenever the hell I want. Or play with friends if they're online. I don't have to set a specific night to raid or play arena. So much freedom. CANNOT WAIT!
Wasn't a WOW player but I did play Everquest 2 for 2+ years - being in a top end guild basically means your life is set by the zone refresh cycle - zones tuned to a exceedingly high end gameplay - and even then you probably had to rely on knowing someone in the guild that did it world first to get the secrets like stand here here and here and at exactly 1 minute 30 seconds in to the fight everyone has to rotate 20 degrees counter-clockwise blah blah blah.
My marriage almost didnt survive it and I was certainly MORE conscious than most people about how much time it took. I only play games that can be saved/stopped at almost any time now - I feel the itch for EQ2 every once in a while but I know its a divorce waiting to happen.
Wasn't a WOW player but I did play Everquest 2 for 2+ years - being in a top end guild basically means your life is set by the zone refresh cycle - zones tuned to a exceedingly high end gameplay - and even then you probably had to rely on knowing someone in the guild that did it world first to get the secrets like stand here here and here and at exactly 1 minute 30 seconds in to the fight everyone has to rotate 20 degrees counter-clockwise blah blah blah.
My marriage almost didnt survive it and I was certainly MORE conscious than most people about how much time it took. I only play games that can be saved/stopped at almost any time now - I feel the itch for EQ2 every once in a while but I know its a divorce waiting to happen.
thats exactly why i married a girl who played video games. we played wow together for 2 years. if we didnt we of course would of gotten a divorce without a doubt. and after D3 comes out we will be playing that together ^_^. find yourself a gamer girl, a girl with her own extensive hobbies, or don't bother. if you cant enjoy your favorite past time, its not worth it at all. i dont want to choose between a relationship and video games, i want both god damnit!
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
Wasn't a WOW player but I did play Everquest 2 for 2+ years - being in a top end guild basically means your life is set by the zone refresh cycle - zones tuned to a exceedingly high end gameplay - and even then you probably had to rely on knowing someone in the guild that did it world first to get the secrets like stand here here and here and at exactly 1 minute 30 seconds in to the fight everyone has to rotate 20 degrees counter-clockwise blah blah blah.
My marriage almost didnt survive it and I was certainly MORE conscious than most people about how much time it took. I only play games that can be saved/stopped at almost any time now - I feel the itch for EQ2 every once in a while but I know its a divorce waiting to happen.
thats exactly why i married a girl who played video games. we played wow together for 2 years. if we didnt we of course would of gotten a divorce without a doubt. and after D3 comes out we will be playing that together ^_^. find yourself a gamer girl, a girl with her own extensive hobbies, or don't bother. if you cant enjoy your favorite past time, its not worth it at all. i dont want to choose between a relationship and video games, i want both god damnit!
Yeah I almost left my wife for someone else over that reason - it (probably) would have been a mistake since my wife and I have had 12+ great years since then (not to mention having 3 kids since then as well) but I can see how it might have simplified my life a bit had I lucked into that combo right off the bat. Wouldnt change a thing but if I could wave a magic wand and add ONE thing to my wife it would be to make her a gamer.
Yeah I almost left my wife for someone else over that reason - it (probably) would have been a mistake since my wife and I have had 12+ great years since then (not to mention having 3 kids since then as well) but I can see how it might have simplified my life a bit had I lucked into that combo right off the bat. Wouldnt change a thing but if I could wave a magic wand and add ONE thing to my wife it would be to make her a gamer.
man... wtf... all these old people playing video games...
i feel i am far too obsessed with video games to successfully be a father, if/when i have kids it will be on my time when i decide (protection kids! :D) and when my video game craze severely dies down. i feel after i get bored of D3 i see no other game keeping me obsessed... besides D4
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
Yeah I almost left my wife for someone else over that reason - it (probably) would have been a mistake since my wife and I have had 12+ great years since then (not to mention having 3 kids since then as well) but I can see how it might have simplified my life a bit had I lucked into that combo right off the bat. Wouldnt change a thing but if I could wave a magic wand and add ONE thing to my wife it would be to make her a gamer.
man... wtf... all these old people playing video games...
i feel i am far too obsessed with video games to successfully be a father, if/when i have kids it will be on my time when i decide (protection kids! :D) and when my video game craze severely dies down. i feel after i get bored of D3 i see no other game keeping me obsessed... besides D4
Listen up whippersnapper! I was playing Wizardy I and Bards Tale (in color!) before you were even a twinkle in your daddies eye...
haha well this thread took a major turn. But very interesting stuff.
I've never dated a girl that was a gamer but I have dated some that
don't care about me playing games as long as I give her some kind of
attention. But any girl I've talked to recently I've given a heads up..
When D3 is released that will be my life for a while and they will have
to work around it
precisely. i just reinstalled D2 and first 3 things i hated after 15 min of playing was constant potion spamming, skill points wasted, and using attribute points. just makes me all that much more excited for D3.
the 2 greatest changes IMO would be the no pots/healthglobe feature and most of all the generator skills. which technically is one big change to amount for the no pots feature. so you can ALWAYS be attacking. in D2 your constantly fleeing when you run out of mana with pretty much EVERY class. so annoying. and end-game you HAVE to have a merc with insight basically to constantly attack and then he dies. DOH fleeing again and paying 50k to res him. lol. so many flaws in D2 being fixed makes D3 the greatest ARPG by a million miles
sadly no one cares HOW the changes came to be. just that there are changes
As for WoW... quitting WoW was the best thing I ever did. That game sucks your life away and is truly like being addicted to a drug. I'm going to play D3 a lot, but hopefully I will be able to realize when I'm playing too much and moderate my playtime.
i think SOMEONE is in some serious denial....
you'll play D3 just as much. as will i!
That's exactly how I felt about that game! So many hours I was just sitting in town doing absolutely nothing... What was the point? I'd like to manage my time well with Diablo III, and considering it doesn't seem to be as much of an epeen competition like WoW is (ex you can't sit in town and show off your gear/mounts/titles/etc) I don't think I will feel like I HAVE to play in order to keep up with all these people who I don't know and don't care about. I will mostly be playing solo in Diablo III, so it's not going to matter if I'm not playing 24/7 to be the best player ever because I'm going to be playing for myself.
I still play Diablo II, and there's a lot of things I don't like about it, but I still find it fun. I am glad that in Diablo III not every class relies on the same resource, and I doubt I'll have any reason to play Diablo II after Diablo III is out, but who really knows. I did recently reinstall the original Diablo game, just to play through it, and man oh man is it different from Diablo II! It's such a challenge and feels totally different DII. For one... you can't run! Only walk... which is annoying. I think Diablo II took a lot of the good from Diablo, and improved the game, and I think Diablo III will be going in the same direction... taking the good, and making the game better than the last by cutting out things that aren't necessary and adding in things that make the game more enjoyable.
why is D3 only going to last for a month for you? and how would D2 give you a better "diablo" experience?
Those two month wonders you're talking about is like the COD-, Battlefield-, Crysis franchises ect, and pretty much most of the games released today. They release one game every year with a campaign length of around 5 or 6 hours...for me that's not even worth a year's wait. And that's kinda shitty, make an campaign that you'll play a couple of times and then the rest of your playtime is spent in multiplayer. Yes you'll play with your friends online and it will be fun, but that's just it, it's the same over and over again which can be fun for a month or two and then after that you'll just wait for the next "multiplayer"-driver COD. That's just how I feel about most games.
D3 on the other hand will not have multiplayer per se, so you'll play the campaign over and over again, almost totally randomized each playthrough. Even more than D2...and D2 is still being played today. Sorry if this post sounded like I was attacking you, it wasn't.
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
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Or even a stranger
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You need only just ask
Na, because in WoW, raiding on X and Y nights was mandatory in order to progress both gear-wise and guild-wise. Back in WotLK, my guild had maybe 28 people for our 25 man raids. It was great for gear, but awful for life. If a few people didn't log in, it basically ruined the night for those other 20 some people. I finally said fuck it and told my guild leader to recruit someone else, that if I was online I would help the guild by raiding but I couldn't sit in every night for 6 hours straight. My life opened up tremendously after I quit raiding and eventually I just quit the game all-together.
With D3 I don't see that happening because I can solo farm whenever the hell I want. Or play with friends if they're online. I don't have to set a specific night to raid or play arena. So much freedom. CANNOT WAIT!
i never raided more then twice, because of exactly that. lmao
Wasn't a WOW player but I did play Everquest 2 for 2+ years - being in a top end guild basically means your life is set by the zone refresh cycle - zones tuned to a exceedingly high end gameplay - and even then you probably had to rely on knowing someone in the guild that did it world first to get the secrets like stand here here and here and at exactly 1 minute 30 seconds in to the fight everyone has to rotate 20 degrees counter-clockwise blah blah blah.
My marriage almost didnt survive it and I was certainly MORE conscious than most people about how much time it took. I only play games that can be saved/stopped at almost any time now - I feel the itch for EQ2 every once in a while but I know its a divorce waiting to happen.
thats exactly why i married a girl who played video games. we played wow together for 2 years. if we didnt we of course would of gotten a divorce without a doubt. and after D3 comes out we will be playing that together ^_^. find yourself a gamer girl, a girl with her own extensive hobbies, or don't bother. if you cant enjoy your favorite past time, its not worth it at all. i dont want to choose between a relationship and video games, i want both god damnit!
Yeah I almost left my wife for someone else over that reason - it (probably) would have been a mistake since my wife and I have had 12+ great years since then (not to mention having 3 kids since then as well) but I can see how it might have simplified my life a bit had I lucked into that combo right off the bat. Wouldnt change a thing but if I could wave a magic wand and add ONE thing to my wife it would be to make her a gamer.
man... wtf... all these old people playing video games...
i feel i am far too obsessed with video games to successfully be a father, if/when i have kids it will be on my time when i decide (protection kids! :D) and when my video game craze severely dies down. i feel after i get bored of D3 i see no other game keeping me obsessed... besides D4
Listen up whippersnapper! I was playing Wizardy I and Bards Tale (in color!) before you were even a twinkle in your daddies eye...
I've never dated a girl that was a gamer but I have dated some that
don't care about me playing games as long as I give her some kind of
attention. But any girl I've talked to recently I've given a heads up..
When D3 is released that will be my life for a while and they will have
to work around it
so your in your 50's? lololol