Before 9/11, the Russians had their claims to the Caspian oil basin....but as of late 2001 Afghanistan became an American protectorate...meaning that the trillions of dollars in oil now belonged to the US...
So, I'm not saying that 9/11 is an inside job, I'm just saying that its very "fortunate" that it happened (from a business standpoint).
And can we take a look at some of the other countries that Bush included in the "axis of evil" during his last state of the union?
Burma: Has oil....a shitload of it. Like 18K barrels a day.
Belarus: AMBO pipelines need to run across this country on its way to the adriatic sea, it has closer ties with Russia...and a shitload of oil.
VENEZUELA: Besides having a lot of oil, their president
(Hugo Chavez) is being demonized on the news as a brutal dictator. Last September he visited Harlem and set up a program for cheap heating oil for Americas poor. You can read all about it here.
Chavez wants to help Americas poor, and the GOP wants him dead.
A classic example of the evident fact that Republican politicians are manipulative asshole businessmen.
Before 9/11, the Russians had their claims to the Caspian oil basin....but as of late 2001 Afghanistan became an American protectorate...meaning that the trillions of dollars in oil now belonged to the US...
A good point to bring up. Man...this forum is starting to get some more intelligent posters.
And the whole reason that Bush is interested in Iraq is so that American oil companies (owned by republicans, don't deny it) can have control over the oil prices. Proof, you ask? How to you explain this seemingly inexplicable drop in oil prices, coincidentally before the elections? It's obvious that American companies have a good bit of power over oil prices. However, many people make the assumption that all oil companies are owned by the countries in the Middle East and Southwest Asia.
The hostility between Bush and these countries is obviously because he wants to influence non-trade so that American companies will continue to have more power over the price of oil.
Before 9/11, the Russians had their claims to the Caspian oil basin....but as of late 2001 Afghanistan became an American protectorate...meaning that the trillions of dollars in oil now belonged to the US...
So, I'm not saying that 9/11 is an inside job, I'm just saying that its very "fortunate" that it happened (from a business standpoint).
heh, you really think that the president may have had something to do with 9-11 to cause it?? are you out of your mind?? good job calling me naive though, it does make me a whole lot willing to accept your views. from a business aspect, the us is able to take all the oil on the earth so there is no argument that we needed a war to take it. if we want it then we will take it and thats that. the reason you wont acknowledge this is because you fail to realize that the entire planet has its head in our crotch trying to find a better way to please us. businessly speaking, we have the power to destroy every other economy in the world, and without war. simply taking them out of the list will throw them into a state of chaos and destruction.
And can we take a look at some of the other countries that Bush included in the "axis of evil" during his last state of the union?
Burma: Has oil....a shitload of it. Like 18K barrels a day.
well, we should look at the country and not its benefits to us right??
Belarus: AMBO pipelines need to run across this country on its way to the adriatic sea, it has closer ties with Russia...and a shitload of oil.
did you know that china and iran and russia are becoming big friends?? dont we have problems with iran?? is it possible that if we declare war on iran russia and china will step in?? is it possible that we can cripple russia if we control its oil??
VENEZUELA: Besides having a lot of oil, their president
(Hugo Chavez) is being demonized on the news as a brutal dictator. Last September he visited Harlem and set up a program for cheap heating oil for Americas poor. You can read all about it here.
Chavez wants to help Americas poor, and the GOP wants him dead. Who is the real enemy here, you morons?
well, im a conservative and i dont like this guy. i like some aspects of bush but not all of them and i definately think that we should support those that we vote into office dumbsh*t. chavez has also offended the leader of this greatest country and the country itself. he is like the mexican president that comes and asks for money. i am of hispanic culture, and i like none of the countries below mexico. they are a disgrace to its people simply because they are inefficient and do their people no good.
the point is that chavez is a stupid leader and instead of "helping" his people he helps the "poor" here to rally support for himself.
All of this isn't even about the oil: it's about dropping stocks, triggering recessions, and cooling off the US economy.
i have no problem with this whatsoever. we maintain our economy well, and make us wealthier. the us economy is still the strongest one there is and the strongest its ever been. what do you have to complain about?? because we get more oil, we can turn our attention to making better ways for oil efficiency and even different ways to power vehicles and cities. and its not like we arent helping those countries out anyways.
BTW, Do any of you know how much money defense contractors steal from american taxpayers every year? Billions! Thats why all these wars are hap....
the stupidity of this argument is absolutely staggering. do you know how much entertainers are paid?? more than anything the government or its officials are. billions go into movies, music, games, television, and sports. why dont you whine about those for a while???
and to settle your war theory, we like war. war makes us better and stronger. stop bitching, because remember what happened after WWII. we grew as an economy, we grew as a nation, and we ended up doing extraordinary things in 60 years. technology has grown so much that it isnt even funny. dont worry about the wars, if we support them all then we will never lose. america has never lost a war in the battlefield, its at home where we lose. its because of people like you that vietnam happened, which resulted in lost troops and millions of innocent vietnamese slaughtered by the northern invaders.
Eh, Whats the f**king point explaining this to you. Go Bush.
yes, your explanations are well made lies, but i see through them. that is why there is no point of you saying that. i dont support bush completely, but we as a nation should unite and support the leaders WE elect into office instead of bitching about it and contradicting every word he says. my opinion is that you listen way too much lies from that fatass michael moore. go listen to dennis praeger, or glen beck. if you have HNN then tune to it in the afternoon and watch Glen Beck. that should pull you back into reality.
U Mother Fucker U Need To Rot In Hell U Commy Bastard Wath Is Wrong With YOU!? Oh The God Dam Terrist Never Hit The Trade Towers Where The Fuck Did U Get That Asshole Ur Fucked Up U Are Not A Amercican And U Never Will Be U Sorry Sob Go Fuck Urself Terrist Bastard. ALSO I MIGHT NOT LIKE PRESIDENT BUSH BUT AT LEAST HE NOT BEING A PUSSY AND HES GETTIN THE JOB DOWN BY KILLIN THE GOD DAM TERRORIST! THE ONL THING HE COULD HAVE DONE BETTER WOULD HAVE TO SENT MOR SOLIDERS OR NUKE THE WHOLE GOD DAM MIDDLE EAST ALONG WITH KOREA. The reason i say this because the middle east is like a hydra u cut one bad head and u get 2 mor. Plz excuse my laughage to those youger audiences and those that this offend except te person that wrote this thread. o and just for the record i would want to do the same as muttonchops except the end effect wit u in the middle east full of american hating terorist that would kill u in the most painful way possible.
first off:
Am i the only one who didnt make any sense of the last post?
2nd:
we already discussed about the US politics, especially when it comes to what the US does that affects/destroys other countries. We didnt really agree anywhere, but at least we tried to talk about it.
Thing is that in most of the points you (Carloseus) deny to see the facts. By simply saying you're conservative u kinda "shield" urself from anything.
did you know that china and iran and russia are becoming big friends?? dont we have problems with iran?? is it possible that if we declare war on iran russia and china will step in?? is it possible that we can cripple russia if we control its oil??
The US are too scared to touch China. Biggest developing economy in the world, has nuclear weapons (but ofc, its too tough to attack, so better back off). Russia is already crippled. Can be very dangerous on their own ground and even the way they are strongly weakened they can resist really much. As of Iran? Its not as easy as Iraq. Thats why they wont be bullied by anyone. And ofc thats why the US wont attack them without all their allies (that ofc dont agree with an attack - except the UK ofc).
about:
from a business aspect, the us is able to take all the oil on the earth so there is no argument that we needed a war to take it. if we want it then we will take it and thats that. the reason you wont acknowledge this is because you fail to realize that the entire planet has its head in our crotch trying to find a better way to please us. businessly speaking, we have the power to destroy every other economy in the world, and without war. simply taking them out of the list will throw them into a state of chaos and destruction.
having the power to do it, doesnt give you the right to. I've seen many great powers fall to others. During WW II (that you so proudly talk about), the really small and not really powerfull Greece managed to stop the Italian armys march through the Balkans and force them back through Albania. We even managed to delay the German forces for several weeks and help win the war in Africa that way. The USA only joined the war AFTER the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, just before the war was over and did the biggest war crime in the world by using a nuclear weapon on a defeated country (condemning not only the non-military people that lived there, but the future generations as well).
In a war against Tyranny most people bunch up and are able to accomplish things that before seemed impossible. Big powers are too arrogant to notice that (thank god) and thats what brings them down, in the end.
chavez has also offended the leader of this greatest country and the country itself.
Actually he said some very big truths. And i really doubt Bush IS the leader. Hes just a puppet. Oh, i again doubt it that the US are the greatest country. To your point of view, it might. To most others, its definitely not.
and to settle your war theory, we like war. war makes us better and stronger. stop bitching, because remember what happened after WWII. we grew as an economy, we grew as a nation, and we ended up doing extraordinary things in 60 years. technology has grown so much that it isnt even funny
didnt see any cultural breakthrough coming from the US during these 60 years. Only weapons and death. Nothing to be proud of.
dont worry about the wars, if we support them all then we will never lose.
The arrogance i talked about earlier.
america has never lost a war in the battlefield
ahem, when did the US actually fight on a field? None of the latest wars, at least. Iraq? After a few weeks bombing and you still havent cleared it from the rebels. Afghanistan? Just a few bombs and Bin Laden is still out there.
Vietnam? (it hurts, i know).
But its truth that it hurts most at home. Because people in there are too blinded to see whats going on and support the right people and the wrong cause.
because we get more oil, we can turn our attention to making better ways for oil efficiency and even different ways to power vehicles and cities. and its not like we arent helping those countries out anyways.
Actually you dont.
1. By bombing a country and killing its citizens, destroying the facilities these people built over the years and taking THEIR oil to use/sell you cant expect anyone to believe you help.
2. The USA are the only major country that hasnt signed the Kyoto treaty (or how exactly its called). For those that dont know what its about, its about protecting the natural environment. Yes, the USA are the country that polutes the planet most in the world. Great contribution if u ask me.
yes, your explanations are well made lies, but i see through them. that is why there is no point of you saying that
you dont see facts. i dont think ur bad. Ur completely misled, thats what i think. If you stop being a lamb, following a dumb shepphard (prolly misspelled again) - talking about Bush - you'll see the whole picture a bit better.
Now that ive taken the time to read more of the post i feel really stupid for wat i said about u cornflake for me to say all of what i said goes against something that is very important to america and that is free speech but im not sorry to u just everyone else. I still hate u! But i guess u cant be a commy or a terorist just someone i dont like you and would very much like to punch in the face. To all except corn flake I am very sorry about my lauguage and my short sited early opion Plz forgive me.
i would like to know what is up with all this anti-amercanism. i am a patriot of my country, and do see the flaws within it however. but i can never call it a criminal because we are not. if you call us evil, then who is the good?? the us has always held the torch for freedom and democracy, right and justice.
yes i know bush is not the best, but i do know who was. it was the president who collapsed the soviet union. none other than our president Ronald Reagan. that is who i would like in the white house. yes maybe he wasnt perfect but he was a damn good leader and the us spiked upwards faster than any other time before.
back to the matter, who would you have in the white house?? what would you do if you could decide?? give me solutions, dont just rehearse the problems. its easy to back off when you step into a mess, but it matters when you dont and you solve the mess. tell me how you would change all this.
oil. that is a huge debate as well. to tell you something, we arent killing any innocent out of cold blood and taking their oil, that is a lie and you are trying to fool everyone else who is reading this. a way i know this is because of the actual footage of troops marching and people are still thanking them and offering what they have to these fighters for democracy. why would people line the streets in celebration of our soldiers if they kill them for oil?? its ridiculous.
did you know that oil fields are big targets for terrorists? yes terrorists are targeting these natural resources, either taking control of them, or turning them into giant candles. wouldnt it be better if we can control them and guard them for the country?? because remember. we took control of the country about 4 years ago. if we wanted the oil there we wouldnt have had the oil prices go up.
The USA are the only major country that hasnt signed the Kyoto treaty (or how exactly its called). For those that dont know what its about, its about protecting the natural environment. Yes, the USA are the country that polutes the planet most in the world. Great contribution if u ask me.
"China's rapid industrialization has increased pollution and made it the world's leader in carbon dioxide emissions. China has some relevant regulations: the 1979 Environmental Protection Law, which was largely modelled on U.S. legislation. But the environment continues to deteriorate. [1] Twelve years after the law, only one Chinese city was making an effort to clean up its water discharges. [2] This indicates that China is about 30 years behind the U.S. schedule of environmental regulation and 10 to 20 years behind Europe." -wikipedia.org
hmmm wasnt china a signer of this "kyoto" treaty?? and yet china is "30 years behind the U.S. schedule of environmental regulation and 10 to 20 years behind Europe." if you ask me, the US is the country making then biggest effort to protect the natural environment. this goes to prove that the US is far ahead of even European countries, not just China.
you dont see facts. i dont think ur bad. Ur completely misled, thats what i think. If you stop being a lamb, following a dumb shepphard (prolly misspelled again) - talking about Bush - you'll see the whole picture a bit better.
well, i at least challenged and in my opinion correct one of your assertions, the one about the pollution. it seems to me that this lamb of a dumb "shepherd" has proven you wrong with his misleadings. i know bush isnt perfect, i have said it before. but i think we should still bite our tongues and choose a better president next time instead of bitchin and moaning about it. i have a much clearer picture of the world than you do, at least in one view. and in that aspect i can prove it by cold hard fact.
another thing is that when this thread was brung back to life i spoke against it, saying that it would cause bitterness and more resent for one another. i advised we forget it for i dont like to be angry. but here we are again, calling each other liars (on my foul) and dumb lambs following dumb shepherds (on your part). i myself know that you are an intellegent individual and see the differences in our reasoning. so please if you have anything else you would like to say, say it and we shall close this thread. i am willing to let you have the last word in this debate for the sake of no more fighting. thank you.
It wasn't fake. If it was, someone would have leaked information to it, since it would be the largest, heinous crime of all time. And remember, terrorists admitted to doing it, and they fight us back as hard as they can. Not even money would drive a person to commit such a disasterous attack. You'd have to be seriously mentally handicapped (and no, President Bush or any other organization is not).
For those that think it was truly fake - get a box of Kleenex's and go cry elsewhere. Or better yet, leave the country that YOUR troops are fighting to keep safe and allowing you to say the things you are saying.
P.S. - I suppose when North Korea launches a nuclear missile on the U.S., that will be fake, too, right? Pfffft. Shove it.
AcidReign is right. Although we do have the right of freedom of speech, we still need to watch to what we say to others. That's unless you like the flamming.
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N korea has nukes, they hate the US does anyone fail to see a problem here??? and no im not talking about blizzard not able to sell as many copies of sc
im not saying they should be bombed... lets try peace talks, w/o any threats at all, and see how far we get
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i would like to know what is up with all this anti-amercanism.
as i've said many times, i dont have anything against the people in there. Its just the way the country "interacts" with the rest of the world that bothers me. You may think your country looks like the protector of liberty for the rest of the world. For the rest of the world (with the exception of the UK and Israel) it looks like the biggest bully in the world. Arrogant cause its the only superpower left, yet scared shitless to attack without the allies (also incapable to succeed in any military campaigns - as Bush himself mentioned about Iraq this week).
i am a patriot of my country, and do see the flaws within it however. but i can never call it a criminal because we are not. if you call us evil, then who is the good?? the us has always held the torch for freedom and democracy, right and justice.
Quite a few things to say here.
About being a patriot there's nothing wrong. On the opposite, u should concentrate on the flaws. And not only the ones about how the country treats its own citizen, but the rest of the world aswell.
If invading another country without a valid reason isnt criminal, what is criminal? Why do you think the nazis attacked the ones they attacked? To gain power. Power these days is the control over the oil. Thats what the US fights for, not for freedom. After Saddams removal (he was supported by the US when he first took over to fight with Iran, for those that dont know it) the country wasnt liberated. The government set by the US didnt manage to keep balance and theres a civil war with the army of the US right in the middle of it (everyone has casualties there).
In outer politics you're sort of evil for the rest of the world, yes. The real problem is there's no "good" atm. Europe is still kinda weak (and with the UK doing whatever the US says it wont get any better either). Middle-East still has problems (they had some before getting more by you), Russia is way weaker than it used to be, China isnt a real republic at all. Hopefully some other force will rise to bring balance again.
The US never held the "torch for freedom and democracy, right and justice". In fact, it stopped being the good guys just before WW II (when they bombed Hiroshima and that other city).
yes i know bush is not the best, but i do know who was. it was the president who collapsed the soviet union. none other than our president Ronald Reagan. that is who i would like in the white house. yes maybe he wasnt perfect but he was a damn good leader and the us spiked upwards faster than any other time before.
God, from bad to worse. Cant you pick a president that wasnt a puppet/complete retard?
The Soviet Union got destroyed from the inside btw. It was Michail Gorbatchow that opened the borders and let it collapse.
You got to think about how evolved the US are in a cultural way. Nothing happened there for ages.
Good point about China and the Kyoto treaty or how its called. But you got to keep in mind that China just started to "evolve" industrially. The US keep polluting the world for many decades (without including the nuclear tests on some islands in the Pacific - together with France among others).
it seems to me that this lamb of a dumb "shepherd" has proven you wrong with his misleadings.
what proven me wrong? There are some facts about that you dont want to see (Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11 for example). You hate liberals, you said that before. I dont hate anyone. I'm really open minded and try to see more than people show me, thats the difference.
Main problem is that most people look, dont see.
i have a much clearer picture of the world than you do, at least in one view. and in that aspect i can prove it by cold hard fact.
from what i've seen you stating, i cant really believe that.
Try not to wear ur "republican glasses" when u talk about that stuff. Think reasonably and u'll see my point. You have certain stereotypes in your head that make you not see whats obvious.
ok. are you done?? i gave my word that i would allow you the last words on this debate. i have so much to say but am a man of my word and will keep to it no matter what. i would also like to say that i am not a republican, but a libertarian. i am conservative. i am a capitalist, and yes, i do hate liberalism, not liberals, but the ideals they believe in. that is all i will say since i apparently did not clear that out before.
so are we finished?? i would carry out this debate but i sometimes get passionate and do tend to find it easy to start rivalries. i respect you and wish to continue to respect you as a brother for a similar cause, not as a person i constantly want to harrass and prove wrong. so what do you say??? do you wish to continue this thread or respect each other's opinions and say no more?? i am willing to continue the discussion as long as neither of us, or anyone else for that matter, takes it too far. i am all for fair play and a clean discussion, as long as the other party plays by similar rules. (and yes i will say that we are both guilty of offending the other somehow)
i never asked you to stop defending your ideas. You can keep trying to persuade me and i'll do the same. I'm not harassing or insulting anyone. I'm just trying to show you some things you dont get to know because exactly you live in the United States. I respect you anyway and i think i never insulted you in any possible way. I just suggested you try to see things from another point of view.
Before 9/11, the Russians had their claims to the Caspian oil basin....but as of late 2001 Afghanistan became an American protectorate...meaning that the trillions of dollars in oil now belonged to the US...
So, I'm not saying that 9/11 is an inside job, I'm just saying that its very "fortunate" that it happened (from a business standpoint).
And can we take a look at some of the other countries that Bush included in the "axis of evil" during his last state of the union?
Burma: Has oil....a shitload of it. Like 18K barrels a day.
Belarus: AMBO pipelines need to run across this country on its way to the adriatic sea, it has closer ties with Russia...and a shitload of oil.
VENEZUELA: Besides having a lot of oil, their president
(Hugo Chavez) is being demonized on the news as a brutal dictator. Last September he visited Harlem and set up a program for cheap heating oil for Americas poor. You can read all about it here.
And heres a video article of Pat Robertson asking the president to assassinate Chavez....
Chavez wants to help Americas poor, and the GOP wants him dead. Who is the real enemy here, you morons?
All of this isn't even about the oil: it's about dropping stocks, triggering recessions, and cooling off the US economy.
BTW, Do any of you know how much money defense contractors steal from american taxpayers every year? Billions! Thats why all these wars are hap....
Eh, Whats the f**king point explaining this to you. Go Bush.
A good point to bring up. Man...this forum is starting to get some more intelligent posters.
And the whole reason that Bush is interested in Iraq is so that American oil companies (owned by republicans, don't deny it) can have control over the oil prices. Proof, you ask? How to you explain this seemingly inexplicable drop in oil prices, coincidentally before the elections? It's obvious that American companies have a good bit of power over oil prices. However, many people make the assumption that all oil companies are owned by the countries in the Middle East and Southwest Asia.
The hostility between Bush and these countries is obviously because he wants to influence non-trade so that American companies will continue to have more power over the price of oil.
heh, you really think that the president may have had something to do with 9-11 to cause it?? are you out of your mind?? good job calling me naive though, it does make me a whole lot willing to accept your views. from a business aspect, the us is able to take all the oil on the earth so there is no argument that we needed a war to take it. if we want it then we will take it and thats that. the reason you wont acknowledge this is because you fail to realize that the entire planet has its head in our crotch trying to find a better way to please us. businessly speaking, we have the power to destroy every other economy in the world, and without war. simply taking them out of the list will throw them into a state of chaos and destruction.
well, we should look at the country and not its benefits to us right??
did you know that china and iran and russia are becoming big friends?? dont we have problems with iran?? is it possible that if we declare war on iran russia and china will step in?? is it possible that we can cripple russia if we control its oil??
well, im a conservative and i dont like this guy. i like some aspects of bush but not all of them and i definately think that we should support those that we vote into office dumbsh*t. chavez has also offended the leader of this greatest country and the country itself. he is like the mexican president that comes and asks for money. i am of hispanic culture, and i like none of the countries below mexico. they are a disgrace to its people simply because they are inefficient and do their people no good.
the point is that chavez is a stupid leader and instead of "helping" his people he helps the "poor" here to rally support for himself.
i have no problem with this whatsoever. we maintain our economy well, and make us wealthier. the us economy is still the strongest one there is and the strongest its ever been. what do you have to complain about?? because we get more oil, we can turn our attention to making better ways for oil efficiency and even different ways to power vehicles and cities. and its not like we arent helping those countries out anyways.
the stupidity of this argument is absolutely staggering. do you know how much entertainers are paid?? more than anything the government or its officials are. billions go into movies, music, games, television, and sports. why dont you whine about those for a while???
and to settle your war theory, we like war. war makes us better and stronger. stop bitching, because remember what happened after WWII. we grew as an economy, we grew as a nation, and we ended up doing extraordinary things in 60 years. technology has grown so much that it isnt even funny. dont worry about the wars, if we support them all then we will never lose. america has never lost a war in the battlefield, its at home where we lose. its because of people like you that vietnam happened, which resulted in lost troops and millions of innocent vietnamese slaughtered by the northern invaders.
yes, your explanations are well made lies, but i see through them. that is why there is no point of you saying that. i dont support bush completely, but we as a nation should unite and support the leaders WE elect into office instead of bitching about it and contradicting every word he says. my opinion is that you listen way too much lies from that fatass michael moore. go listen to dennis praeger, or glen beck. if you have HNN then tune to it in the afternoon and watch Glen Beck. that should pull you back into reality.
Am i the only one who didnt make any sense of the last post?
2nd:
we already discussed about the US politics, especially when it comes to what the US does that affects/destroys other countries. We didnt really agree anywhere, but at least we tried to talk about it.
Thing is that in most of the points you (Carloseus) deny to see the facts. By simply saying you're conservative u kinda "shield" urself from anything.
The US are too scared to touch China. Biggest developing economy in the world, has nuclear weapons (but ofc, its too tough to attack, so better back off). Russia is already crippled. Can be very dangerous on their own ground and even the way they are strongly weakened they can resist really much. As of Iran? Its not as easy as Iraq. Thats why they wont be bullied by anyone. And ofc thats why the US wont attack them without all their allies (that ofc dont agree with an attack - except the UK ofc).
about:
having the power to do it, doesnt give you the right to. I've seen many great powers fall to others. During WW II (that you so proudly talk about), the really small and not really powerfull Greece managed to stop the Italian armys march through the Balkans and force them back through Albania. We even managed to delay the German forces for several weeks and help win the war in Africa that way. The USA only joined the war AFTER the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, just before the war was over and did the biggest war crime in the world by using a nuclear weapon on a defeated country (condemning not only the non-military people that lived there, but the future generations as well).
In a war against Tyranny most people bunch up and are able to accomplish things that before seemed impossible. Big powers are too arrogant to notice that (thank god) and thats what brings them down, in the end.
Actually he said some very big truths. And i really doubt Bush IS the leader. Hes just a puppet. Oh, i again doubt it that the US are the greatest country. To your point of view, it might. To most others, its definitely not.
didnt see any cultural breakthrough coming from the US during these 60 years. Only weapons and death. Nothing to be proud of.
The arrogance i talked about earlier.
ahem, when did the US actually fight on a field? None of the latest wars, at least. Iraq? After a few weeks bombing and you still havent cleared it from the rebels. Afghanistan? Just a few bombs and Bin Laden is still out there.
Vietnam? (it hurts, i know).
But its truth that it hurts most at home. Because people in there are too blinded to see whats going on and support the right people and the wrong cause.
Actually you dont.
1. By bombing a country and killing its citizens, destroying the facilities these people built over the years and taking THEIR oil to use/sell you cant expect anyone to believe you help.
2. The USA are the only major country that hasnt signed the Kyoto treaty (or how exactly its called). For those that dont know what its about, its about protecting the natural environment. Yes, the USA are the country that polutes the planet most in the world. Great contribution if u ask me.
you dont see facts. i dont think ur bad. Ur completely misled, thats what i think. If you stop being a lamb, following a dumb shepphard (prolly misspelled again) - talking about Bush - you'll see the whole picture a bit better.
yes i know bush is not the best, but i do know who was. it was the president who collapsed the soviet union. none other than our president Ronald Reagan. that is who i would like in the white house. yes maybe he wasnt perfect but he was a damn good leader and the us spiked upwards faster than any other time before.
back to the matter, who would you have in the white house?? what would you do if you could decide?? give me solutions, dont just rehearse the problems. its easy to back off when you step into a mess, but it matters when you dont and you solve the mess. tell me how you would change all this.
oil. that is a huge debate as well. to tell you something, we arent killing any innocent out of cold blood and taking their oil, that is a lie and you are trying to fool everyone else who is reading this. a way i know this is because of the actual footage of troops marching and people are still thanking them and offering what they have to these fighters for democracy. why would people line the streets in celebration of our soldiers if they kill them for oil?? its ridiculous.
did you know that oil fields are big targets for terrorists? yes terrorists are targeting these natural resources, either taking control of them, or turning them into giant candles. wouldnt it be better if we can control them and guard them for the country?? because remember. we took control of the country about 4 years ago. if we wanted the oil there we wouldnt have had the oil prices go up.
"China's rapid industrialization has increased pollution and made it the world's leader in carbon dioxide emissions. China has some relevant regulations: the 1979 Environmental Protection Law, which was largely modelled on U.S. legislation. But the environment continues to deteriorate. [1] Twelve years after the law, only one Chinese city was making an effort to clean up its water discharges. [2] This indicates that China is about 30 years behind the U.S. schedule of environmental regulation and 10 to 20 years behind Europe." -wikipedia.org
hmmm wasnt china a signer of this "kyoto" treaty?? and yet china is "30 years behind the U.S. schedule of environmental regulation and 10 to 20 years behind Europe." if you ask me, the US is the country making then biggest effort to protect the natural environment. this goes to prove that the US is far ahead of even European countries, not just China.
well, i at least challenged and in my opinion correct one of your assertions, the one about the pollution. it seems to me that this lamb of a dumb "shepherd" has proven you wrong with his misleadings. i know bush isnt perfect, i have said it before. but i think we should still bite our tongues and choose a better president next time instead of bitchin and moaning about it. i have a much clearer picture of the world than you do, at least in one view. and in that aspect i can prove it by cold hard fact.
another thing is that when this thread was brung back to life i spoke against it, saying that it would cause bitterness and more resent for one another. i advised we forget it for i dont like to be angry. but here we are again, calling each other liars (on my foul) and dumb lambs following dumb shepherds (on your part). i myself know that you are an intellegent individual and see the differences in our reasoning. so please if you have anything else you would like to say, say it and we shall close this thread. i am willing to let you have the last word in this debate for the sake of no more fighting. thank you.
For those that think it was truly fake - get a box of Kleenex's and go cry elsewhere. Or better yet, leave the country that YOUR troops are fighting to keep safe and allowing you to say the things you are saying.
P.S. - I suppose when North Korea launches a nuclear missile on the U.S., that will be fake, too, right? Pfffft. Shove it.
P.S.S. - Sorry, but those are my views.
im not saying they should be bombed... lets try peace talks, w/o any threats at all, and see how far we get
as i've said many times, i dont have anything against the people in there. Its just the way the country "interacts" with the rest of the world that bothers me. You may think your country looks like the protector of liberty for the rest of the world. For the rest of the world (with the exception of the UK and Israel) it looks like the biggest bully in the world. Arrogant cause its the only superpower left, yet scared shitless to attack without the allies (also incapable to succeed in any military campaigns - as Bush himself mentioned about Iraq this week).
Quite a few things to say here.
About being a patriot there's nothing wrong. On the opposite, u should concentrate on the flaws. And not only the ones about how the country treats its own citizen, but the rest of the world aswell.
If invading another country without a valid reason isnt criminal, what is criminal? Why do you think the nazis attacked the ones they attacked? To gain power. Power these days is the control over the oil. Thats what the US fights for, not for freedom. After Saddams removal (he was supported by the US when he first took over to fight with Iran, for those that dont know it) the country wasnt liberated. The government set by the US didnt manage to keep balance and theres a civil war with the army of the US right in the middle of it (everyone has casualties there).
In outer politics you're sort of evil for the rest of the world, yes. The real problem is there's no "good" atm. Europe is still kinda weak (and with the UK doing whatever the US says it wont get any better either). Middle-East still has problems (they had some before getting more by you), Russia is way weaker than it used to be, China isnt a real republic at all. Hopefully some other force will rise to bring balance again.
The US never held the "torch for freedom and democracy, right and justice". In fact, it stopped being the good guys just before WW II (when they bombed Hiroshima and that other city).
God, from bad to worse. Cant you pick a president that wasnt a puppet/complete retard?
The Soviet Union got destroyed from the inside btw. It was Michail Gorbatchow that opened the borders and let it collapse.
You got to think about how evolved the US are in a cultural way. Nothing happened there for ages.
Good point about China and the Kyoto treaty or how its called. But you got to keep in mind that China just started to "evolve" industrially. The US keep polluting the world for many decades (without including the nuclear tests on some islands in the Pacific - together with France among others).
what proven me wrong? There are some facts about that you dont want to see (Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11 for example). You hate liberals, you said that before. I dont hate anyone. I'm really open minded and try to see more than people show me, thats the difference.
Main problem is that most people look, dont see.
from what i've seen you stating, i cant really believe that.
Try not to wear ur "republican glasses" when u talk about that stuff. Think reasonably and u'll see my point. You have certain stereotypes in your head that make you not see whats obvious.
so are we finished?? i would carry out this debate but i sometimes get passionate and do tend to find it easy to start rivalries. i respect you and wish to continue to respect you as a brother for a similar cause, not as a person i constantly want to harrass and prove wrong. so what do you say??? do you wish to continue this thread or respect each other's opinions and say no more?? i am willing to continue the discussion as long as neither of us, or anyone else for that matter, takes it too far. i am all for fair play and a clean discussion, as long as the other party plays by similar rules. (and yes i will say that we are both guilty of offending the other somehow)