So...I'm pretty much sure that almost everyone has heard about the Tibetans( or Tibet people cause i have no idea if Tibetans is even a word...) are opposing the Olympics that will be held in Beijing, China. I myself is Chinese, and personally, I think that if you want to protest, then protest all you want, I really don't care...but if Tibet is going to use the Olympics just as an another excuse for politics then damn...thats low. I mean cmon, the Olympics is about sports. Period. Don't drag politics into this. Don't drag other countries ,through the Olympics, that will begrudgingly become a part of this conflict that was solely meant to be between Tibet and China. Maybe India...but I dunno...
I suppose its alright if the Tibetans protest considering they actually come from Tibet
BUT, im sick of these rich famous white guys acting like they give a shit. I'm still waiting for someone to just say "Hey, I don't give a flying fuck about something which doesn't concern me, has no effect on me and is on the other side of the globe" and be honest
if Tibet is going to use the Olympics just as an another excuse for politics then damn...thats low. I mean cmon, the Olympics is about sports.
It's hardly about the sports anymore. You need to understand the the Olympics is almost nothing but political. You think the Tibetans and the yuppies are the first ones to take advantage of the Olympic spotlight for protest? And the Olympics is hardly about the athletes themselves either. Cause few people can tell you the names of the medalists. All they can tell you is which country won the gold, silver, or bronze. The Olympics is everything political.
And I actually think this is a time to further drag politics into it. The Olympic committees are totally corrupt anyway and subject to bribes. And China simply has a poor record when it comes to human rights. And with the spotlight on China, people are going to take advantage of it as a means of protest. It wouldn't even be so bad once it got to Beijing if the rural poor and other disenfranchised Chinese citizens had more of a voice and were allowed to protest even a little. But they've oppressed and censored their own people so much that Chinese as well as Tibetans are gonna protest. And I say more power to them. If China had taken more measures to work on their problems at home as opposed to obsessing about the expansion of their economy and appeasing the nationalists, they might not have had to worry as much about protests once the torch got to Beijing.
Basically, if China just learned to handle criticism better at home, things would not be so out of hand. Consider how the Dalai Lama's tour of the United States. Instead of China accepting that the U.S. will have open relations with Tibet, they see it as a slap to the face and publicly denounce the U.S. even talking with the Dalai Lama.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's sad that the Olympics is so political. But can you really imagine many other events where so many people of so many countries of the world meet in one place at once? There are bound to be political snags.
Yep. Olympics was always a comepetetion between countries. Not individuals.
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''May the Gods give you the strength and power to bear the madness which flows through our minds.''
''Zubin, I've always imagined you as a crazy raver. The kinda guy that spends all night dancing to trance music while waving glow sticks and popping ecstasy.'' - Murderface
Well, I think that photo kind of goes back to what Genesis was saying about people acting like they care. If the person holding that sign had any sense at all, they would have done their research and discovered that Nazi Germany hosted the Olympics in 1936.
I suppose the point is that some people just protest for the sake of protesting. They have no clue what they are protesting for or about; all they care about is that they are somehow sticking it to "The Man."
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Im yet to see Bono or Oprah on T.V acting like they give a shit... Im nicely tucked away in NewZealand but I'm dreading the day I have to see their faces again
Nice pic Requiem.
If people are going to protest they need to do it for something which actually matters or concerns them or the country they live in. And get their facts straight
Im yet to see Bono or Oprah on T.V acting like they give a shit... Im nicely tucked away in NewZealand but I'm dreading the day I have to see their faces again
Nice pic Requiem.
If people are going to protest they need to do it for something which actually matters or concerns them or the country they live in. And get their facts straight
Exactly. I'm not trying to downplay the Olympic protests at all, but I think the only people protesting should be those directly involved, or those that honestly do feel passionately about the issues.
It's like back when I was a junior in high school. At one point, the varsity football coach/part-time PE instructor had mooned someone at a bar over the weekend. When the school administrators found out, he was put on paid suspension for a few days (I thought it was excessive, since it was on his own free time and didn't involve the school, but whatever). Several students organized a "sit in" after lunch in the school foyer to protest, even though none of them knew all of the details or what had actually happened. The students were warned that if they skipped classes to "protest," they would be suspended, but it didn't stop anybody.
Needless to say, a good portion of the student body was absent the following days over a matter that was settled quietly between the teacher and the school board. The students had no impact whatsoever, and were only protesting because it seemed "edgy." One of the protestors was my stand partner in orchestra, and when I asked him about the protest, he said he did it "just to get out of class." Way to go, champ.
One thing that really bothers me about some of these protestors is the absolute disrespect for some of the people involved in the Olympics, like the torch bearers. I'm sure everyone saw that video clip of the torch bearer being attacked just recently, and for what?
It makes me glad that Jackie Chan threatened to lay the smack-down on anyone that tries to mess with him while he carries the torch later on. I only hope some idiot makes the attempt.
Requiem's pictures is actually a good example of just how misguided protesters can be.
And I don't really care if just about anybody wanted to protest something. I don't think I need to be from China or Tibet in order to be justified in protesting the Olympics. My protesting sign would merely be cooler. It'd say something like, "Running around with fire is not safe!" Or something like that.
I'm all for the whole free Tibet movement and such. I'm fine with that. However, trying to stop the Olympics is going to far. It's hurting the athletes more than anything else. My take on it is this. The Olympics did nothing to hurt Tibet. Just because it is in China means nothing. And like Requiem posted, we let Nazi Germany host the Olympics so why can't China host them. Also i saw on the news a sign that said stop the genocide in Tibet. I didn't think that there was a genocide in Tibet. I didn't think that the Tibetans were being killed. I may be wrong but if i am right then the protesters should try researching before making these inaccurate statements.
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I'm all for the whole free Tibet movement and such. I'm fine with that. However, trying to stop the Olympics is going to far. It's hurting the athletes more than anything else. My take on it is this. The Olympics did nothing to hurt Tibet. Just because it is in China means nothing.
Yet it still is kind of a big deal it's in China. I guess what bothers many protesters is how the Olympics represent all these different ideals, yet China's government does not really adhere to those ideals. I'm sure you could make the same claim about many countries that have and will host the Olympics. It just depends on how strongly you feel about China's violations of human rights and its oppression of Tibet and disenfranchising of the rural poor.
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And like Requiem posted, we let Nazi Germany host the Olympics so why can't China host them. Also i saw on the news a sign that said stop the genocide in Tibet. I didn't think that there was a genocide in Tibet. I didn't think that the Tibetans were being killed. I may be wrong but if i am right then the protesters should try researching before making these inaccurate statements.
Well, yes and no I suppose. A lot of China's initial dealings in the mid-20th century resulted in many people being killed. But now I think it has more to do with land disputes and keeping Tibet from being totally independent. Obviously there is more to it than that I'm sure. But no silly protester sign surprises me anymore. It reminds me of when I was going to class one day and this intellectual hipster came up to me with a flier and he was like, "Yo dude, wassup. You wanna stop the genocide?" And it was some flier about the genocide in Darfur. Somehow I didn't that guy or his fliers was gonna make much of a difference. But I maintain a realist look on politics.
Obviously Tibetans are taking advantage of the fact that China is hosting the Olympics.
Another thing that is often mislooked is the fact that Tibetans are doing the protests very violently, leading to China's violent actions. I'm not saying what China did was right, but there is some reason to it. Killing others should be the last resort.
The western media is also taking advantage of this because China is a threat to the US in their minds, and they are just magnifying this human rights issue.
Human rights in China cannot be changed overnight. It's a communist country, and rights don't come along with that. If China ran as a democracy, the entire country would collapse. So what will a boycott do? Who does it harm? Who does it benefit?
Another thing that is often mislooked is the fact that Tibetans are doing the protests very violently, leading to China's violent actions.
I was not really aware the protests had become violent-aside from the usual confrontations with police and tear gas and rubber bullets which is fairly common during protests.
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The western media is also taking advantage of this because China is a threat to the US in their minds, and they are just magnifying this human rights issue.
Some would think of China as a threat. Others just resent the love/hate relationship the U.S. has with them. Especially being that the two economies have become so inextricably mixed together. We both need each other, but what the U.S. resents most is how China keeps purchasing our debt using sovereign wealth funds.
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Human rights in China cannot be changed overnight. It's a communist country, and rights don't come along with that. If China ran as a democracy, the entire country would collapse. So what will a boycott do? Who does it harm? Who does it benefit?
Hopefully no protester is expecting China to suddenly go democratic. It would be a huge step just for China to acknowledge its human rights violations among the other issues involving Tibet.
But what do YOU think?
BUT, im sick of these rich famous white guys acting like they give a shit. I'm still waiting for someone to just say "Hey, I don't give a flying fuck about something which doesn't concern me, has no effect on me and is on the other side of the globe" and be honest
And I actually think this is a time to further drag politics into it. The Olympic committees are totally corrupt anyway and subject to bribes. And China simply has a poor record when it comes to human rights. And with the spotlight on China, people are going to take advantage of it as a means of protest. It wouldn't even be so bad once it got to Beijing if the rural poor and other disenfranchised Chinese citizens had more of a voice and were allowed to protest even a little. But they've oppressed and censored their own people so much that Chinese as well as Tibetans are gonna protest. And I say more power to them. If China had taken more measures to work on their problems at home as opposed to obsessing about the expansion of their economy and appeasing the nationalists, they might not have had to worry as much about protests once the torch got to Beijing.
Basically, if China just learned to handle criticism better at home, things would not be so out of hand. Consider how the Dalai Lama's tour of the United States. Instead of China accepting that the U.S. will have open relations with Tibet, they see it as a slap to the face and publicly denounce the U.S. even talking with the Dalai Lama.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's sad that the Olympics is so political. But can you really imagine many other events where so many people of so many countries of the world meet in one place at once? There are bound to be political snags.
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However, I have been enjoying some of the stupidity coming out of the protests. Case in point:
Please let some of the topics stay serious.
''Zubin, I've always imagined you as a crazy raver. The kinda guy that spends all night dancing to trance music while waving glow sticks and popping ecstasy.'' - Murderface
Well, I think that photo kind of goes back to what Genesis was saying about people acting like they care. If the person holding that sign had any sense at all, they would have done their research and discovered that Nazi Germany hosted the Olympics in 1936.
I suppose the point is that some people just protest for the sake of protesting. They have no clue what they are protesting for or about; all they care about is that they are somehow sticking it to "The Man."
''Zubin, I've always imagined you as a crazy raver. The kinda guy that spends all night dancing to trance music while waving glow sticks and popping ecstasy.'' - Murderface
Nice pic Requiem.
If people are going to protest they need to do it for something which actually matters or concerns them or the country they live in. And get their facts straight
Exactly. I'm not trying to downplay the Olympic protests at all, but I think the only people protesting should be those directly involved, or those that honestly do feel passionately about the issues.
It's like back when I was a junior in high school. At one point, the varsity football coach/part-time PE instructor had mooned someone at a bar over the weekend. When the school administrators found out, he was put on paid suspension for a few days (I thought it was excessive, since it was on his own free time and didn't involve the school, but whatever). Several students organized a "sit in" after lunch in the school foyer to protest, even though none of them knew all of the details or what had actually happened. The students were warned that if they skipped classes to "protest," they would be suspended, but it didn't stop anybody.
Needless to say, a good portion of the student body was absent the following days over a matter that was settled quietly between the teacher and the school board. The students had no impact whatsoever, and were only protesting because it seemed "edgy." One of the protestors was my stand partner in orchestra, and when I asked him about the protest, he said he did it "just to get out of class." Way to go, champ.
One thing that really bothers me about some of these protestors is the absolute disrespect for some of the people involved in the Olympics, like the torch bearers. I'm sure everyone saw that video clip of the torch bearer being attacked just recently, and for what?
It makes me glad that Jackie Chan threatened to lay the smack-down on anyone that tries to mess with him while he carries the torch later on. I only hope some idiot makes the attempt.
And I don't really care if just about anybody wanted to protest something. I don't think I need to be from China or Tibet in order to be justified in protesting the Olympics. My protesting sign would merely be cooler. It'd say something like, "Running around with fire is not safe!" Or something like that.
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however ,i think it's stupid to protest olympics in China
This is also the general discussion/off-topic area. Funny how that works, isn't it?
''Zubin, I've always imagined you as a crazy raver. The kinda guy that spends all night dancing to trance music while waving glow sticks and popping ecstasy.'' - Murderface
Well, yes and no I suppose. A lot of China's initial dealings in the mid-20th century resulted in many people being killed. But now I think it has more to do with land disputes and keeping Tibet from being totally independent. Obviously there is more to it than that I'm sure. But no silly protester sign surprises me anymore. It reminds me of when I was going to class one day and this intellectual hipster came up to me with a flier and he was like, "Yo dude, wassup. You wanna stop the genocide?" And it was some flier about the genocide in Darfur. Somehow I didn't that guy or his fliers was gonna make much of a difference. But I maintain a realist look on politics.
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Another thing that is often mislooked is the fact that Tibetans are doing the protests very violently, leading to China's violent actions. I'm not saying what China did was right, but there is some reason to it. Killing others should be the last resort.
The western media is also taking advantage of this because China is a threat to the US in their minds, and they are just magnifying this human rights issue.
Human rights in China cannot be changed overnight. It's a communist country, and rights don't come along with that. If China ran as a democracy, the entire country would collapse. So what will a boycott do? Who does it harm? Who does it benefit?
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Some would think of China as a threat. Others just resent the love/hate relationship the U.S. has with them. Especially being that the two economies have become so inextricably mixed together. We both need each other, but what the U.S. resents most is how China keeps purchasing our debt using sovereign wealth funds.
Hopefully no protester is expecting China to suddenly go democratic. It would be a huge step just for China to acknowledge its human rights violations among the other issues involving Tibet.
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