Hey everyone! I'm looking for someone that knows how all the numbers work in D3 to help me compare 2 great items. It might take quite a bit of calculation so if you're up to the challenge any help would be immensely appreciated!
To start off, I play a Barb and I use Whirlwind (Wind Sheer) which is a lightning skill so I greatly benefit from +Lightning Skill Damage.
So my question is thus. Which of these 2 items does more damage to elites while using the lightning skill Whirlwind (With Wind Sheer)
Up first we have a yellow ring with these stats
Yellow Ring
393 Str
5% AS
43% Crit dmg
5% Crit Chance
Overall Stats with Yellow Ring Damage to Elites - 0% AS from items - 39%
Crit Hit Chance - 45%
Crit Hit Damage - 447%
Overall Lightning dmg to lightning skills - 32%
Stone of Jordan
18% Lightning Skills
433 Str
27% Elite DMG
Overall Stats with SoJ
Damage to Elites - 27%
AS from items - 34%
Crit Hit Chance - 40.50%
Crit Hit Damage - 404%
Overall Lightning dmg to lightning skills - 46%
According to Blizzard's damage calculation which doesn't take into account 18% lightning and 27% elite dmg, I gain roughly 15-18.7% damage increase from the yellow ring
If there are any numbers I forgot please let me know!
The SOJ will be better. It'll be WAY better if you can roll the % life on your SOJ over to crit, unless you had to roll the elemental damage into something else.
For trash mobs, losing 15-18% damage from the yellow ring is mostly made up by the +18% lightning damage. This is because the character sheet is completely lying to you. The formula is this (Skill Damage) * (+% Skill Damage) * (+% Elemental Damage) * (+% Elite Damage). Within skill damage, you already take into account crit chance, crit damage, and attack speed, so the 18% elemental damage gets applied after that. Massive, massive upgrade while wind sheering. Trash kill speed should stay relatively the same. Since you have 13% + ww and +18% lightning damage (46% total), you multiply them together with the rest. Your total modifier in the first example is 1.13*1.32 = 1.49. In the second, it's 1.64. We can use the character sheet dps as a ROUGH estimate for baseline unbuffed DPS, but know that it's going to be off by a bit.
Total DPS 1: 889,728 * 1.49 = 1,325,694
Total DPS 2: 749,762 * 1.64 = 1,229,609
So, a ~7% DPS loss on trash. It should actually be a little closer, but depends on the %Weapon Damage that Wind Sheer has (the higher %wd on your skill, the more these modifiers effect it, as they stack multiplicatively with the weapon damage %). Roughly negligible. Also keep in mind that with buffs, your gap should also close a bit more.
For elites, this should be much much better. Case 1 stays the same at 1.3mil dps, while case 2 gets a 2.09 multiplier instead of 1.64. That puts you at 1,567,002 DPS, or an increase of about ~14%. Again, this will be exaggerated with buffs, as everything kind of feeds on each other.
So, depending what you're doing, the SoJ should be an upgrade, as your trash kill speed is going to be fairly similar, but your elite kill speed will be much improved.
If anyone knows the actual DPS calculation formula, I can make a little spreadsheet to plug things in, but I don't know it other than how ele and skill damage bonuses get entered.
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To start off, I play a Barb and I use Whirlwind (Wind Sheer) which is a lightning skill so I greatly benefit from +Lightning Skill Damage.
So my question is thus. Which of these 2 items does more damage to elites while using the lightning skill Whirlwind (With Wind Sheer)
Up first we have a yellow ring with these stats
Yellow Ring
393 Str
5% AS
43% Crit dmg
5% Crit Chance
Overall Stats with Yellow Ring
Damage to Elites - 0%
AS from items - 39%
Crit Hit Chance - 45%
Crit Hit Damage - 447%
Overall Lightning dmg to lightning skills - 32%
Whirlwind Weapon Damage - 352%
Unbuffed Damage - 889,728
Next we have a Stone of Jordan with these stats
Stone of Jordan
18% Lightning Skills
433 Str
27% Elite DMG
Overall Stats with SoJ
Damage to Elites - 27%
AS from items - 34%
Crit Hit Chance - 40.50%
Crit Hit Damage - 404%
Overall Lightning dmg to lightning skills - 46%
Whirlwind Weapon Damage - 401.5%
Unbuffed Damage - 749,762
According to Blizzard's damage calculation which doesn't take into account 18% lightning and 27% elite dmg, I gain roughly 15-18.7% damage increase from the yellow ring
If there are any numbers I forgot please let me know!
For trash mobs, losing 15-18% damage from the yellow ring is mostly made up by the +18% lightning damage. This is because the character sheet is completely lying to you. The formula is this (Skill Damage) * (+% Skill Damage) * (+% Elemental Damage) * (+% Elite Damage). Within skill damage, you already take into account crit chance, crit damage, and attack speed, so the 18% elemental damage gets applied after that. Massive, massive upgrade while wind sheering. Trash kill speed should stay relatively the same. Since you have 13% + ww and +18% lightning damage (46% total), you multiply them together with the rest. Your total modifier in the first example is 1.13*1.32 = 1.49. In the second, it's 1.64. We can use the character sheet dps as a ROUGH estimate for baseline unbuffed DPS, but know that it's going to be off by a bit.
Total DPS 1: 889,728 * 1.49 = 1,325,694
Total DPS 2: 749,762 * 1.64 = 1,229,609
So, a ~7% DPS loss on trash. It should actually be a little closer, but depends on the %Weapon Damage that Wind Sheer has (the higher %wd on your skill, the more these modifiers effect it, as they stack multiplicatively with the weapon damage %). Roughly negligible. Also keep in mind that with buffs, your gap should also close a bit more.
For elites, this should be much much better. Case 1 stays the same at 1.3mil dps, while case 2 gets a 2.09 multiplier instead of 1.64. That puts you at 1,567,002 DPS, or an increase of about ~14%. Again, this will be exaggerated with buffs, as everything kind of feeds on each other.
So, depending what you're doing, the SoJ should be an upgrade, as your trash kill speed is going to be fairly similar, but your elite kill speed will be much improved.
If anyone knows the actual DPS calculation formula, I can make a little spreadsheet to plug things in, but I don't know it other than how ele and skill damage bonuses get entered.