This is a rant post. No, I'm not ranting about Diablo III, quite the opposite. I'm ranting about the playerbase. I'm ranting about you.
This is a Diablo fans forum. We are all here because we enjoy the Diablo franchise, as it was, as it is, and as it will be. If I remember correctly, the design of this very site was to discuss different aspects of the game in a rational manner. It seems to me that people have done little to nothing of the sort, save a few select people in a few select posts.
Remember, this is not an attack on the site Diablofans.com, this is an attack on the a portion of the playerbase.
Where do we start? Ah yes, here we go; stop making several posts every day to complain about a single topic. We get it. You don't like that they removed LAN, that they are using a specific art style that upsets you. There is no need for you to tell everyone in fifteen thousand posts that you hate it.
If you are posting in one of these threads, do not use speculation as fact. "Blizzard is doing this to piss on players" and "Blizzard lies to us all the time about the real reason why they're doing this" are not legitmiate or factual statements. If you do choose to use fact, please cite your sources.
Here, let me give you an example of a thought-out counter-argument to LAN:
As far as the sketchy workarounds for LAN... at last count, people are still trying to find a LAN patch for Hellgate: London. The game was only hacked for Single Player (which really isn't that hard with an ISO program and a keygen), and people still can't reverse engineer the game to be LAN-able. This is truly saying a lot about how games are being run these days.
I feel that it's not necessarily about pirating their games, but being able to use LAN as a way to compromise their security. (This was the reason stated by the developers as to why there was no LAN patch).
Yes, I made that post, and yes it includes speculation (annotated by "I feel that") backed by a citation. *gasp* Wait, I don't know everything that's going on, but what I researched, I'm citing? What is this madness?!?
Please explain to me the mindset of "Blizzard is lying, everyone is lying." I don't understand. Maybe it's the generation that I grew up in, but when a company says they're doing something, or doing something for a certain reason, and they actually accomplish that goal... one tends to believe them. Just because you don't like what they are doing, doesn't make them wrong, or dishonest. "I don't like that they're not adding LAN, every reason they've given is a lie, they're just hating us consumers" You are an idiot. Without consumers, the company cannot grow, without growth, the company fails. That's common sense.
I only use LAN as an example, because it is the hottest topic currently.
And before the flame wars begin, as I'm sure they will, I am not a Blizzard employee, I am not a CEO, I am not wealthy enough to own my own forums. I am an average person. I am a fan of Blizzard games. I am a fan of the fantasy genre. I am a gamer. I am like you in most ways.... so when I say "stop being an idiot"... I say it with love, because you're making us, the community of people who care, look bad.
Stop making us look bad.
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That's right, the people who most complain about the game are first one to buy it, but what can we do? They're still going to post about it, complain and whine, it's their nature.
To my country most games are hard to get and I don't complain or whine about it, I live with it
Blizzard will do their job good, and even if people complain or cry that they're doing a bad job, they will still buy the game and will play it, they just want some attention.
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"Eternal suffering would be too brief for you, Diablo!"
All depends on how the complaining is done, in my opinion.
If the complainers are open to other points, and post reasonably about their opinions, good on em.
But if they're those type that swear every other word, attack other users, call people who don't share their opinions idiots... just ugh.
As long as you're complaining reasonably (if that can even be done nowadays), then complain away.
I've gotta admit though, I used to be one of the people who was a complete closed minded douche, changed since then, but I had my days.
Anyways, good thread man, big wakeup call to myself, and hopefully other fans as well.
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I've gotta admit though, I used to be one of the people who was a complete closed minded douche, changed since then, but I had my days.
Anyways, good thread man, big wakeup call to myself, and hopefully other fans as well.
Everyone should read this.
People can change. This is a community of like-minded individuals. I love this guy. I'm proud to have him a part of our community, just like the previous people who posted.
I'm not asking you to do rocket-science people... I'm asking you to be more educated. Stop being the lowest common denominator. If you want to speak your mind on this site, please do so, but be smart about it.
Think before you post.
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Something like this should be posted in an area where everybody will read it. Like the introduction forums or the homepage so new people could read it and be mature about their opinion.
But that is hard to do, people sometimes read stuff like this and never change they just want to say their opinions and blame other people for their unatraction to some aspects of the game.
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"Eternal suffering would be too brief for you, Diablo!"
I only use LAN as an example, because it is the hottest topic currently.
For me, the biggest issue was the whole art-style/direction thing. I, personally, didn't mind it nor did I care about what others had to say - simply accepted it. The fact that people got so up-in-arms about it really bothered me.
who cares? lemme say what i want to say, this is a free country. if i want to complain im going to complain with poeple who fill the same way (the majority).
who cares? lemme say what i want to say, this is a free country. if i want to complain im going to complain with poeple who fill the same way (the majority).
I think that what Oath is getting at is... there's a difference between having an opinion and being a fickle bitch. If we're all going to complain about something just because every single aspect of it isn't to our liking - we're never going to be satisfied. He's encouraging that we be open-minded, which I wholeheartedly agree with him on.
The point is, if you want to complain do it in a mature way, with a source and a good argument, you can't just be saying:
A:"I don't like that there is no lan, I hate Blizzard"
B:"I think is good so piracy will be less applied"
A:"I hate you and I think you're stupid and don't deserve to play Diablo!!"
It is very stupid to do that kind of stuff, that person just show that he was bad educated or not educated at all.
Edit: In the end, your whinings won't change the way the game will be.
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This is a Diablo fans forum. We are all here because we enjoy the Diablo franchise, as it was, as it is, and as it will be. If I remember correctly, the design of this very site was to discuss different aspects of the game in a rational manner. It seems to me that people have done little to nothing of the sort, save a few select people in a few select posts.
Remember, this is not an attack on the site Diablofans.com, this is an attack on the a portion of the playerbase.
Where do we start? Ah yes, here we go; stop making several posts every day to complain about a single topic. We get it. You don't like that they removed LAN, that they are using a specific art style that upsets you. There is no need for you to tell everyone in fifteen thousand posts that you hate it.
If you are posting in one of these threads, do not use speculation as fact. "Blizzard is doing this to piss on players" and "Blizzard lies to us all the time about the real reason why they're doing this" are not legitmiate or factual statements. If you do choose to use fact, please cite your sources.
Here, let me give you an example of a thought-out counter-argument to LAN:
Yes, I made that post, and yes it includes speculation (annotated by "I feel that") backed by a citation. *gasp* Wait, I don't know everything that's going on, but what I researched, I'm citing? What is this madness?!?
Please explain to me the mindset of "Blizzard is lying, everyone is lying." I don't understand. Maybe it's the generation that I grew up in, but when a company says they're doing something, or doing something for a certain reason, and they actually accomplish that goal... one tends to believe them. Just because you don't like what they are doing, doesn't make them wrong, or dishonest. "I don't like that they're not adding LAN, every reason they've given is a lie, they're just hating us consumers" You are an idiot. Without consumers, the company cannot grow, without growth, the company fails. That's common sense.
I only use LAN as an example, because it is the hottest topic currently.
And before the flame wars begin, as I'm sure they will, I am not a Blizzard employee, I am not a CEO, I am not wealthy enough to own my own forums. I am an average person. I am a fan of Blizzard games. I am a fan of the fantasy genre. I am a gamer. I am like you in most ways.... so when I say "stop being an idiot"... I say it with love, because you're making us, the community of people who care, look bad.
Stop making us look bad.
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Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.
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To my country most games are hard to get and I don't complain or whine about it, I live with it
Blizzard will do their job good, and even if people complain or cry that they're doing a bad job, they will still buy the game and will play it, they just want some attention.
"Eternal suffering would be too brief for you, Diablo!"
If the complainers are open to other points, and post reasonably about their opinions, good on em.
But if they're those type that swear every other word, attack other users, call people who don't share their opinions idiots... just ugh.
As long as you're complaining reasonably (if that can even be done nowadays), then complain away.
I've gotta admit though, I used to be one of the people who was a complete closed minded douche, changed since then, but I had my days.
Anyways, good thread man, big wakeup call to myself, and hopefully other fans as well.
Everyone should read this.
People can change. This is a community of like-minded individuals. I love this guy. I'm proud to have him a part of our community, just like the previous people who posted.
I'm not asking you to do rocket-science people... I'm asking you to be more educated. Stop being the lowest common denominator. If you want to speak your mind on this site, please do so, but be smart about it.
Think before you post.
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Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.
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But that is hard to do, people sometimes read stuff like this and never change they just want to say their opinions and blame other people for their unatraction to some aspects of the game.
"Eternal suffering would be too brief for you, Diablo!"
For me, the biggest issue was the whole art-style/direction thing. I, personally, didn't mind it nor did I care about what others had to say - simply accepted it. The fact that people got so up-in-arms about it really bothered me.
I think that what Oath is getting at is... there's a difference between having an opinion and being a fickle bitch. If we're all going to complain about something just because every single aspect of it isn't to our liking - we're never going to be satisfied. He's encouraging that we be open-minded, which I wholeheartedly agree with him on.
A:"I don't like that there is no lan, I hate Blizzard"
B:"I think is good so piracy will be less applied"
A:"I hate you and I think you're stupid and don't deserve to play Diablo!!"
It is very stupid to do that kind of stuff, that person just show that he was bad educated or not educated at all.
Edit: In the end, your whinings won't change the way the game will be.
"Eternal suffering would be too brief for you, Diablo!"