Anyway heres a couple of truly good ARPGs that I've (so far) enjoyed more than diablo 3:
Titan quest: immortal throne
Nox
Torchlight
Diablo 2 + LoD
Now this is all about opinions, you might believe that Diablo 3 is the best ever made, but at the same time, until you provide a comparison between the other games in the genre you've played, you've just said you prefer the only game you played over a bucketload of great games you chose to ignore.
And mind you, I don't think D3 will last 12 years.
I strongly disagree. You must be overreacting. Let's compare each game:
Titan quest: immortal throne: I just installed it again last month to wait for D3 to come out. The game is boring as hell. It takes forever to get from a quest to another, the whole game lasts forever because of the time you spend walking from town to town. The monsters are just lame, you go on into killing boars, spiders, murlocs and other animals for the whole game. And the number of skills and specializations are just insane in a world you can only successfully combine so little of them that you had to make a 10 hour research before making your character and keep a paper with the skills you should take. But don't get me wrong, it was the best Diablo clone ever, but not even close to any Diablo.
Nox: I am surprised anyone else played this game. It was quite fun actually, but it remembers a lot more the Ultima franchise than Diablo's. I even remembers more Baldur's Gate then Diablo. 0 replaybility also takes it toll. No online coop gaming whatsoever too. Just can't compare them. But I did only play it once too.
Torchlight: You're kidding right? Torchlight was born in the D3 first gameplay movie. They've copied EVERYTHING they could from the Barbarian video and made a game that is incredibly flawed in many aspects such as story, balance, skill setting, items, story, pretty much everything. It is quite fun too, but the endless flaws make you give up on believing in the mechanics.
Diablo 2 + LoD have already been discussed. They were great. But they're old. There are MANY aspects that D3 improved so much that if you play D2 again you won't know how you could manage to play it those days. Useless items like throwable potions, stamina, stupid stats assignment, almost no way to play different skills from the cookie cutter builds, painfully trading in spamming trade channels and games, no private loot so quicker player got them all, annoying to pick gold manually, shallow story (D3 isn't great, but D2 story is shallow and D1 is a joke in story), everyone did boss runs on and on all the time, everytime the same quests that almost everyone of them just got skipped (now we have random events), lots of hacks and dupes made the economy incredibly dull, people complain about AH making the game easy but everyone of them got Enigma armors for quite nothing in D2. I also remember making like 1 thousand Nightmare Meph runs before I got to Hell to get items to trade or for myself and people complains that you have to farm a lot to pass through Inferno, and only Sorcs and Necros could MF, may I add, because of the melee dependency of gear while magic classes didn't at all... I could go on, there are lots of improvements on D3.
Also I could add the Dungeon Siege franchise. The 1 got me for some time, but when I was controlling about 5 characters all the time the game just seemed too complicated. Dungeon Siege 3 is so bad that I felt to make a sacrifice to play it. Stopped just after getting the second level.
So, yes, D3 is probably the best ARPG ever made if you analyze it without passion. But people are so craved in their romantic memories of D2 and D1 that they would never see a game that lived to their fake expectations. Have you tried to play D1 in the last 5 years? The game doesn't even keep attacking if you hold the mouse button!
OP is sure a hypocrite and doing this for show, otherwhise he wouldn't be posting and replying this to a DIABLO FANS forum.
I wonder how many games he bought, played for 10 hours, didn't like, didn't play again and did not even think of getting a refund. So Diablo III is elected to refund just because the predecessor was good? That's not a good way to support a company that makes good games.
Even if it wasn't just because OP is whiny and didn't remember D2 as it really was, D3 could never be classified as a shitty game. It is at least a very good game and if it was released by another company with another title everyone would be like ""THE GREATEST ARPG SINCE D2!!!!", "THIS GAME REALLY OUTPERFORMS D2!", "A VERY MODERN DIABLO STYLE GAME.".
Good luck to every liar saying that they stopped playing D3 to play D2:
- Researching for hours before making you char to know which perfect build you will choose.
- Trying desperately to get any loot in boss kills in public games before the quicker ones get them.
- Stopping for about 30 minutes to choose a game named "Killing Mephisto" and leaving after you find out that they already did before you join.
- Having attribute points to stack in vitality only.
- Spend hours and hours in trade forums trying to get an item to win Hell (which is absolutely impossible with most gear just like Inferno) or making "WTB item" "WTS item" and waiting for someone to join. Maybe even entering those trading games when anyone who got items you wanted didn't care for yours and the ones that wanted offered you 10 +1 max damage axes for your Occy.
- Also researching in forums the exact gear you should have to pursue (which runewords) that make you as an amazon make battlecries and a barbarian teleport. As this is the only way to beat Hell again.
- Trading again, because you will NEVER get runewords on your on with the drops and duped items makes trading mandatory and the game easy (this feels familiar somehow).
When I tired of playing D2 because of the incredibly low drop rates, the duped items and so on, I started remebering how D1 was perfect. So I installed it and played it, guess what? It didin't have even a function to keep attacking when you held the mouse button! The character walked slow as hell, making the game annoying when you had to walk big places. The butcher was impossible to kill without the "corridor with iron bar walls and a bow" strategy. Every level is the same with just a stair to get below.
Stop being whiny spoiled hypocrite children and rate the game for what it is and not what you had in mind and didn't get it. D2 DID NOT have a more successful launch, the difference is that nowaday everyone is connected, registered in a forum and trolls have years of experience in trolling. If you have a 1/1000 rate in which players found the game terrible, every 7000 player that found that is spamming in forums right now and in D2 10 years ago they were home crying alone because their mother didn't buy them a Playstation instead of this game.
Hmmm.. Well.. Blizzard stood up to PC games while everyone else said it was a dead market. Steam sells PC games for 5 bucks and people buy them to play 10 hours and stop.
You, on the other hand, may very well spend 200 dollars in a drunk night in a club for about 6-7 hours of which you will remember about 15 minutes, but think that 65 hours of gameplay is not worth your 60 dollars.
Tell me why should blizzard try to improve making games that last forever instead of making 6-months FPS like COD or selling martinis.
Sarcasm gone, you probably did that only to show to people how disappointed you were and I would bet 1 thousand dollars happily if someone could guarantee to pay me back that you will buy the game again in the next months or at most when the first expansion is out and everyone start talking about the improvements they made into the game. This may sound funny, or righteous, or you may be thinking "now they know they screwed up", but you pratically are making their way of making games inviable and telling them that they should stop making games that should last more than 10 horus or free of monthly fees.
Good job.
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I strongly disagree. You must be overreacting. Let's compare each game:
Titan quest: immortal throne: I just installed it again last month to wait for D3 to come out. The game is boring as hell. It takes forever to get from a quest to another, the whole game lasts forever because of the time you spend walking from town to town. The monsters are just lame, you go on into killing boars, spiders, murlocs and other animals for the whole game. And the number of skills and specializations are just insane in a world you can only successfully combine so little of them that you had to make a 10 hour research before making your character and keep a paper with the skills you should take. But don't get me wrong, it was the best Diablo clone ever, but not even close to any Diablo.
Nox: I am surprised anyone else played this game. It was quite fun actually, but it remembers a lot more the Ultima franchise than Diablo's. I even remembers more Baldur's Gate then Diablo. 0 replaybility also takes it toll. No online coop gaming whatsoever too. Just can't compare them. But I did only play it once too.
Torchlight: You're kidding right? Torchlight was born in the D3 first gameplay movie. They've copied EVERYTHING they could from the Barbarian video and made a game that is incredibly flawed in many aspects such as story, balance, skill setting, items, story, pretty much everything. It is quite fun too, but the endless flaws make you give up on believing in the mechanics.
Diablo 2 + LoD have already been discussed. They were great. But they're old. There are MANY aspects that D3 improved so much that if you play D2 again you won't know how you could manage to play it those days. Useless items like throwable potions, stamina, stupid stats assignment, almost no way to play different skills from the cookie cutter builds, painfully trading in spamming trade channels and games, no private loot so quicker player got them all, annoying to pick gold manually, shallow story (D3 isn't great, but D2 story is shallow and D1 is a joke in story), everyone did boss runs on and on all the time, everytime the same quests that almost everyone of them just got skipped (now we have random events), lots of hacks and dupes made the economy incredibly dull, people complain about AH making the game easy but everyone of them got Enigma armors for quite nothing in D2. I also remember making like 1 thousand Nightmare Meph runs before I got to Hell to get items to trade or for myself and people complains that you have to farm a lot to pass through Inferno, and only Sorcs and Necros could MF, may I add, because of the melee dependency of gear while magic classes didn't at all... I could go on, there are lots of improvements on D3.
Also I could add the Dungeon Siege franchise. The 1 got me for some time, but when I was controlling about 5 characters all the time the game just seemed too complicated. Dungeon Siege 3 is so bad that I felt to make a sacrifice to play it. Stopped just after getting the second level.
So, yes, D3 is probably the best ARPG ever made if you analyze it without passion. But people are so craved in their romantic memories of D2 and D1 that they would never see a game that lived to their fake expectations. Have you tried to play D1 in the last 5 years? The game doesn't even keep attacking if you hold the mouse button!
I wonder how many games he bought, played for 10 hours, didn't like, didn't play again and did not even think of getting a refund. So Diablo III is elected to refund just because the predecessor was good? That's not a good way to support a company that makes good games.
Even if it wasn't just because OP is whiny and didn't remember D2 as it really was, D3 could never be classified as a shitty game. It is at least a very good game and if it was released by another company with another title everyone would be like ""THE GREATEST ARPG SINCE D2!!!!", "THIS GAME REALLY OUTPERFORMS D2!", "A VERY MODERN DIABLO STYLE GAME.".
Good luck to every liar saying that they stopped playing D3 to play D2:
- Researching for hours before making you char to know which perfect build you will choose.
- Trying desperately to get any loot in boss kills in public games before the quicker ones get them.
- Stopping for about 30 minutes to choose a game named "Killing Mephisto" and leaving after you find out that they already did before you join.
- Having attribute points to stack in vitality only.
- Spend hours and hours in trade forums trying to get an item to win Hell (which is absolutely impossible with most gear just like Inferno) or making "WTB item" "WTS item" and waiting for someone to join. Maybe even entering those trading games when anyone who got items you wanted didn't care for yours and the ones that wanted offered you 10 +1 max damage axes for your Occy.
- Also researching in forums the exact gear you should have to pursue (which runewords) that make you as an amazon make battlecries and a barbarian teleport. As this is the only way to beat Hell again.
- Trading again, because you will NEVER get runewords on your on with the drops and duped items makes trading mandatory and the game easy (this feels familiar somehow).
When I tired of playing D2 because of the incredibly low drop rates, the duped items and so on, I started remebering how D1 was perfect. So I installed it and played it, guess what? It didin't have even a function to keep attacking when you held the mouse button! The character walked slow as hell, making the game annoying when you had to walk big places. The butcher was impossible to kill without the "corridor with iron bar walls and a bow" strategy. Every level is the same with just a stair to get below.
Stop being whiny spoiled hypocrite children and rate the game for what it is and not what you had in mind and didn't get it. D2 DID NOT have a more successful launch, the difference is that nowaday everyone is connected, registered in a forum and trolls have years of experience in trolling. If you have a 1/1000 rate in which players found the game terrible, every 7000 player that found that is spamming in forums right now and in D2 10 years ago they were home crying alone because their mother didn't buy them a Playstation instead of this game.
You, on the other hand, may very well spend 200 dollars in a drunk night in a club for about 6-7 hours of which you will remember about 15 minutes, but think that 65 hours of gameplay is not worth your 60 dollars.
Tell me why should blizzard try to improve making games that last forever instead of making 6-months FPS like COD or selling martinis.
Sarcasm gone, you probably did that only to show to people how disappointed you were and I would bet 1 thousand dollars happily if someone could guarantee to pay me back that you will buy the game again in the next months or at most when the first expansion is out and everyone start talking about the improvements they made into the game. This may sound funny, or righteous, or you may be thinking "now they know they screwed up", but you pratically are making their way of making games inviable and telling them that they should stop making games that should last more than 10 horus or free of monthly fees.
Good job.