BlackSheperd, on 11 October 2011 - 02:10 PM, said:
The whole thing about condemning homosexuality is not entirely true. it is simply condemning any act of sex that is not faithful to what is natural.
So is homosexuality natural then? I recall proletariat quoting specific passages condemning homosexuals. Maybe you would like to respond to that in particular?
I just copy pasted the part of that post to save you the trouble:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)
thanks for saving me the trouble. i believe that even in our justice system in the U.S anyway if a child commits a crime he is pardoned because the child did not kno better am i right? it is the same in this instance. if a person does not believe it to be wrong, how the hell is he going to be held accountable for it. that set aside, unfortunately we're talking about a book that requires a wisdom i do not possess and therefore cant add much more. Id also add, but i wont quote, the many times God's love is mentioned within the bible for sinners. So whether or not u view being homosexual a sin or not God loves you despite that.If u dont view it as wrong, then i dont think will be held accountable, its more for the pple who deep down kno or believe its wrong but do it anyway. those pple have been given a certain knowledge n r throwing it away.
that being said i dont actually believe homosexuality to be natural, i believe it to be something that grows out of an experience, event, or feeling.
What if a rally gets out of hand and the police becomes obligated to use force to bring the mobs to order?
Reasonable force. Don't tazer a mentally challanged kid, don't arrest and body slam a young male for dancing, don't mace a girl for simply being at a non-violent protest.
first i never said the doctors were wrong, they were right. thats just one instance were someone might shove it aside as a technical mistake instead of facing the facts. this woman was and still is infertile according to all scientific knowledge there is, yet shes making babies. Second i never actually mentioned homosexuality or thats its evil, so umm not sure where u got that. but im sorry if i have offended. but honestly why would you want to get married under the church if ur homosexual or if u dont believe in God, or are not open to life.If u get married under a certain pertense its really actually insulting to the Church. besides cant homosexuals get married in some states, i wouldnt worry about it cause eventually itll be allowed, by the gov't, in every state and country. I never said anything about a magic trick either i just meant that God can act in ur life if u let him. but if u dont want him to he's not going to rip ur freedom apart and do it anyways. oh n btw, i understand where ur coming from with regards to God, but the first phrase u said could be very offensive to some pple, just letting u kno. i probly left something out.
First, if the doctors said she was infertile and she had a baby, the doctors were wrong. This is your story, and your implications.
Second, you can get married by a justice of the peace. (Unless, you know, your gay or something.)
Third, yes, a homosexual can get married in a few states, and it's legally binding in even fewer states. If I got married to my ex in Vermont and moved back to West Virginia, I'd be a single man again, no divorce necessary.
Fourth, and last, I apologize if I offended you. I personally view it as a magic trick though. But I do apologize.
I tend to be open-minded and leave others on their business but I can’t stand your way of talking.
You don’t deserve to talk about science because probably you haven’t passed your fist class of math or physics. And so you don’t deserve to mention great people like Newton.
Your foolish religions have burned this people alive because they were right in their claims that the earth circled around the sun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
I wanted to quote this so people would read it again.
just by saying that the Bible is irrelevant in any context, could be insulting to some. The whole thing about condemning homosexuality is not entirely true. it is simply condemning any act of sex that is not faithful to what is natural.
And what is natural is penis to vagina, right? That means homosexuality is not natural, which means the Bible is condemning it, correct? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to understand what your saying. (I understand the Bible, at this point just trying to understand what the people who read the bible think. :P)
The core of christianity is love and forgiveness this is aimed at friends, family, and enemies.
After reading the Bible and going over a good chunk of the Tanakh and the Qu'ran, I would have to disagree with you. Jesus may of been partially about love and forgiveness, but god seemed to get off on hurting people. (My interpretation. No offense intended to anyone.)
also the whole thing about condoms, im going to say something and i want you to tell me if u feel its true, think hard b4 u answer. why do we really want to use condoms. for safe sex? is that it? or is it more so that we can CONTROL our little lives?
I use them because I don't want a kid yet, and I don't want to get the syph.
On a side note, guys, could we be a little nicer to each other? We are all friends here and we all share a fanship of the Diablo series, so lets talk a little nicer to each other. (I know I'm not the best example to say this, but it needed saying.)
also the whole thing about condoms, im going to say something and i want you to tell me if u feel its true, think hard b4 u answer. why do we really want to use condoms. for safe sex? is that it? or is it more so that we can CONTROL our little lives? If i shove aside wat i kno to be true then ill use condoms but only so that i can control what happens to the best of my ability. i mean u c it everywhere when two teenagers have sex or when in college. their biggest worry is not acquiring a disease. their biggest worry is pregnancy. they dont want to take that responsibility because of whatever, but they dont use condoms to protect their health, that if anything, comes second.
Once again, you've taken the matter out of context. Let me help- Hiero's original claim was that basis of a certain passage within the bible regarding homosexuality was that chances of transmission of STDs and infection was increased during anal sex.
My rebuke was that if that was truly the basis, then the bible would have been championing the cause of safe sex since anal sex is risky instead of simply condemning wholly the action. Sex does not necessarily require penetration and has been practiced as such a varied pursuit since before the bible. Religions around the world has only vilified the act, made it taboo and passed unreasonable judgments/commands on who should be able to do what.
What you have done is bring safe sex to modern standards and question if it is the reason why condoms are being mostly used which was not the point that was being discussed at all. Please do consider more carefully when replying.
You are taking what I said completely out of context. The term 'human condition' I have used in my post focused on our predisposition to either homosexuality or heterosexuality, none of which can be related to curiosity. In either case you're are attracted to a man or to a woman. I am not curious how it is to sleep with a guy because I am simply not attracted to them. Are you curious in your sexuality so that you can relate to the curiosity associated with underage sex and drug use/misuse? I am only asking by the way(this is not an attack).
crap my internet connection is acting up, i actually already responded to this n dont really feel like writing it all again. so ill give short version.Yes i have been curious, i can relate. I have also had homosexual feelings b4 and they were just that only a feeling, not something that holds any ground on what is true. sry for taking outta context, i play diablo, how smart can i possibly be C'mon.lol. and no u cant possibly offend me or attack me in a way ill find offensive because all ur arguments i used too, and sometimes try to convince myself off as well. in other words i understand where all these arguments, so far, come from.
Once again, you've taken the matter out of context. Let me help- Hiero's original claim was that basis of a certain passage within the bible regarding homosexuality was that chances of transmission of STDs and infection was increased during anal sex.
My rebuke was that if that was truly the basis, then the bible would have been championing the cause of safe sex since anal sex is risky instead of simply condemning wholly the action. Sex does not necessarily require penetration and has been practiced as such a varied pursuit since before the bible. Religions around the world has only vilified the act, made it taboo and passed unreasonable judgments/commands on who should be able to do what.
What you have done is bring safe sex to modern standards and question if it is the reason why condoms are being mostly used which was not the point that was being discussed at all. Please do consider more carefully when replying.
oh crap my bad, ill try to stop sounding like an idiot, but thanks for rexplaining it. okay ill try to make my responses shorter. so ill say this. Sex under the Christian tradition is used to make a holly family under God and dependant on God. the reason anal sex is prohibited, is because it has nothing to do with being pro creators with God it is simply a method of pleasure, its all about intention not the infection, HA HA like that ryhme, lol. The basis is NOT the possibility of infection. with regards to other religions i am unsure of their basis. i hope i finally stayed on topic.
After reading the Bible and going over a good chunk of the Tanakh and the Qu'ran, I would have to disagree with you. Jesus may of been partially about love and forgiveness, but god seemed to get off on hurting people. (My interpretation. No offense intended to anyone.)
the bible is not just a history book and it requires a certain wisdom and understanding to understand or grasp. its like me going over to reading the Qu'ran and interpreting it however i want without the knowledge and understanding.
You are taking what I said completely out of context. The term 'human condition' I have used in my post focused on our predisposition to either homosexuality or heterosexuality, none of which can be related to curiosity. In either case you're are attracted to a man or to a woman. I am not curious how it is to sleep with a guy because I am simply not attracted to them. Are you curious in your sexuality so that you can relate to the curiosity associated with underage sex and drug use/misuse? I am only asking by the way(this is not an attack).
crap my internet connection is acting up, i actually already responded to this n dont really feel like writing it all again. so ill give short version.Yes i have been curious, i can relate. I have also had homosexual feelings b4 and they were just that only a feeling, not something that holds any ground on what is true. sry for taking outta context, i play diablo, how smart can i possibly be C'mon.lol. and no u cant possibly offend me or attack me in a way ill find offensive because all ur arguments i used too, and sometimes try to convince myself off as well. in other words i understand where all these arguments, so far, come from.
I only clarified that my question was genuine since i know quite a lot of religious folks feel offended at being asked if they are gay.
Glad you are not of that group.
And I must say I am quite surprised by your revelation. Chances are that you are bisexual which is a predisposition possible within our species.
Once again I am not accusing, only trying to understand. I can say with confidence that I have not experienced any attraction to a man. I can appreciate the beauty of one but there is simply no trace of sexual attraction. So it is my experience against yours here. Considering that I have no moral or religious doubt or stance against homosexuality, I hope you will consider my experience as relevant too.
Let's wait and see if we get more people willing to back up mine or your experience on this one.
And what is natural is penis to vagina, right? That means homosexuality is not natural, which means the Bible is condemning it, correct? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to understand what your saying. (I understand the Bible, at this point just trying to understand what the people who read the bible think. )
well maybe u should kno that i dont actually read the bible. I am taught what it means. The bible is our lives, urs and mine, if u dont yet understand that then stop reading it. its not a rulebook. pple in all societies seem to love rules.
I only clarified that my question was genuine since i know quite a lot of religious folks feel offended at being asked if they are gay.
Glad you are not of that group.
And I must say I am quite surprised by your revelation. Chances are that you are bisexual which is a predisposition possible within our species.
Once again I am not accusing, only trying to understand. I can say with confidence that I have not experienced any attraction to a man. I can appreciate the beauty of one but there is simply no trace of sexual attraction. So it is my experience against yours here. Considering that I have no moral or religious doubt or stance against homosexuality, I hope you will consider my experience as relevant too.
Let's wait and see if we get more people willing to back up mine or your experience on this one.
lol, okay maybe i should've rewritten everything. ill try to explain my position further. Homosexuality, bisexual, hetero these are all terms scientists came up with to explain something they dont understand. We are beginning to label each other based on certain experiences and thats not true, in my opinion. there is NO such thing as a homosexual to me, not in the way u may understand it. there are pple with certain attraction to men that they have decided to grow and nurture because at some point they felt confused and decided they are homosexuals and jumped into the bandwagon. n correct me if im wrong. but an appreciation to beauty also has an attraction to it attached. If i think a painintg is beatiful i am attracted to it. but obviously there is no possiblity for sexual intercourse there. with a woman i may be attracted to her beauty but it doesnt mean i want to have sex unless i decide it does. so why do some pple deicide to show their sexual attraction to other pple, and even animals, but not paintings? the answer is that its not possible but if it was they would definately go for it. does it mean that its right, well that depends or ur views. All i had was a feeling, which does not mean i jumped into sexual attraction. that can happen if i follow the feeling, which i did not. i also have that appreciation for beauty, hell i should if im studying art. sry i couldnt wait i needed to clarify
What if a rally gets out of hand and the police becomes obligated to use force to bring the mobs to order?
Reasonable force. Don't tazer a mentally challanged kid, don't arrest and body slam a young male for dancing, don't mace a girl for simply being at a non-violent protest.
What if a soldier shoots a child because he's running around firing an assault rifle?
A 2 year old? Send the soldier to prison. A 17 year old, send the punk to prison. Both instances somebody gave their right to not be harmed up.
Wow, you pretty much encapsulate black and white thinking. You know, just because you believe it as such, doesn't mean it will hold everywhere. Yes, you have your own morals, but clearly you missed the point of my post completely.
So, you are against state sanctioned murder, so that should hold true for everybody? You deem it wrong, so immediately it is wrong... I personally feel if you are willing to take then you must be willing to give. So, if you are willing to take a life, then your life is void, that is my opinion.
I have seen two of my family members murdered, and the ones responsible received 10 years sentence. So, according to your views, my loved ones' lives were worth 10 years. That's very narrow minded.
I agree with the intrusion point, but if you break a person's limbs who lost his job and intended to steal a television set to support his hospitalized child, then it sort of places things in perspective. I am not condoning what he's doing and if I'm in the same position I would defend my household, any means necessary. The point is, once again, you failed to see the gray area about it.
I'm not sure what you meant by tazering mentally challenging kids or body slamming male dancers, but in my country the police beat a man to death the other day in a government march, and they got off for it. This is a very fine line, how far can you push the law, because sometimes laws are meant to be fought (like black and womans rights) and how far can the police go to make sure things don't get out of hand.
Reasonable force, sure, it sounds neat. But they aren't exactly slapping one another on the wrists, now are they. There's rock throwing, molotov cocktails, and destruction of property when a protest really goes awry. You make it sound so quaint.
A 2 year old with a gun? What are you talking about? I'm talking about a child aged 14 or 15, taking up arms to defend his home and values. When soldiers occupying a country encounter such a child at his home trying to find a hidden cache of weapons and all hell breaks loose. Neither of them are right or wrong, but the situation is severely screwed up.
In my country a man was arrested for raping a 6 month old baby. A sangoma told him it was the only way to rid himself of AIDS. I find this fucking sickening, however, his community found it perfectly reasonable. I still don't get it, for the life of me. This is what I mean by cultures have different views.
This is what I meant by moral grey. Yes, I know you have values and standards, so do I. Both ours probably differ. And I can tell you, your morals and views mean nothing in another country or to someone with a totally different religion.
How does it effectively help you: You feel good you've contributed to whatever aid is going to that child. Feeling good releases hormones that decreases your stress level- the latter being widely recognized as a harmful element if in high levels. In other words and as unromantic as it sounds, most of us, irrespective of religion, color or gender are programmed to help.
thats exactly not the christian way to react to it actually. a better example is giving alms. If i give alms and then feel good about myself. it has not helped me at all because all its done is increase my level of pride, which is already ridiculously high. In christianity we are taught to give without the left hand knowing what the right is doing to prevent any sort of building in pride and thinking higher of ourselves. Why shouldnt we feel higher of ourselves? because then the inclination of thinking urself superior to others grows, like the Kraken
again this is a christian stance on the topic explaining what i meant.
First, if the doctors said she was infertile and she had a baby, the doctors were wrong. This is your story, and your implications.
Second, you can get married by a justice of the peace. (Unless, you know, your gay or something.)
Third, yes, a homosexual can get married in a few states, and it's legally binding in even fewer states. If I got married to my ex in Vermont and moved back to West Virginia, I'd be a single man again, no divorce necessary.
Fourth, and last, I apologize if I offended you. I personally view it as a magic trick though. But I do apologize.
u see thats the thing im talking about. if we are trying to proof the existance of God in the forums we might as well shoot ourselves cause it'll never happen. Im not talking about one instance of the doctors, according to 'you' being wrong, but im referring to several instances. MANY. the proof of the existance of God cannot originally be told but has to be seen. and no im not offended, geez pple get so touchy feely, lol.
What if a rally gets out of hand and the police becomes obligated to use force to bring the mobs to order?
Reasonable force. Don't tazer a mentally challanged kid, don't arrest and body slam a young male for dancing, don't mace a girl for simply being at a non-violent protest.
What if a soldier shoots a child because he's running around firing an assault rifle?
A 2 year old? Send the soldier to prison. A 17 year old, send the punk to prison. Both instances somebody gave their right to not be harmed up.
Wow, you pretty much encapsulate black and white thinking. You know, just because you believe it as such, doesn't mean it will hold everywhere. Yes, you have your own morals, but clearly you missed the point of my post completely.
So, you are against state sanctioned murder, so that should hold true for everybody? You deem it wrong, so immediately it is wrong... I personally feel if you are willing to take then you must be willing to give. So, if you are willing to take a life, then your life is void, that is my opinion.
I have seen two of my family members murdered, and the ones responsible received 10 years sentence. So, according to your views, my loved ones' lives were worth 10 years. That's very narrow minded.
I agree with the intrusion point, but if you break a person's limbs who lost his job and intended to steal a television set to support his hospitalized child, then it sort of places things in perspective. I am not condoning what he's doing and if I'm in the same position I would defend my household, any means necessary. The point is, once again, you failed to see the gray area about it.
I'm not sure what you meant by tazering mentally challenging kids or body slamming male dancers, but in my country the police beat a man to death the other day in a government march, and they got off for it. This is a very fine line, how far can you push the law, because sometimes laws are meant to be fought (like black and womans rights) and how far can the police go to make sure things don't get out of hand.
Reasonable force, sure, it sounds neat. But they aren't exactly slapping one another on the wrists, now are they. There's rock throwing, molotov cocktails, and destruction of property when a protest really goes awry. You make it sound so quaint.
A 2 year old with a gun? What are you talking about? I'm talking about a child aged 14 or 15, taking up arms to defend his home and values. When soldiers occupying a country encounter such a child at his home trying to find a hidden cache of weapons and all hell breaks loose. Neither of them are right or wrong, but the situation is severely screwed up.
In my country a man was arrested for raping a 6 month old baby. A sangoma told him it was the only way to rid himself of AIDS. I find this fucking sickening, however, his community found it perfectly reasonable. I still don't get it, for the life of me. This is what I mean by cultures have different views.
This is what I meant by moral grey. Yes, I know you have values and standards, so do I. Both ours probably differ. And I can tell you, your morals and views mean nothing in another country or to someone with a totally different religion.
the fact is we are ALL capable of anything whether we think so or NOT. given the right cirumstance, right temper, and position. we are capable of commiting the biggest injustice and biggest charity. i for one did not think i was capable of certain things which few years later, life proofed me wrong.
HI ALL i would like to be the first to congratulate everyone who has added or contributed to this discussion, sometimes i wonder if the person who started this thread is still reading this. but the extent of diverse beliefs and self control thoughout the discussions i feel is admirable. Just comes to show that we are all looking for something, an answer or affirmation, even me if not i would not be here writing, obviously. CONGRATS forum buddies.just take comfort in that we all agree the real answer to life is playing Diablo 3 and stealing our friends' beta.
lol, okay maybe i should've rewritten everything. ill try to explain my position further. Homosexuality, bisexual, hetero these are all terms scientists came up with to explain something they dont understand. We are beginning to label each other based on certain experiences and thats not true, in my opinion. there is NO such thing as a homosexual to me, not in the way u may understand it. there are pple with certain attraction to men that they have decided to grow and nurture because at some point they felt confused and decided they are homosexuals and jumped into the bandwagon. n correct me if im wrong. but an appreciation to beauty also has an attraction to it attached. If i think a painintg is beatiful i am attracted to it. but obviously there is no possiblity for sexual intercourse there. with a woman i may be attracted to her beauty but it doesnt mean i want to have sex unless i decide it does. so why do some pple deicide to show their sexual attraction to other pple, and even animals, but not paintings? the answer is that its not possible but if it was they would definately go for it. does it mean that its right, well that depends or ur views. All i had was a feeling, which does not mean i jumped into sexual attraction. that can happen if i follow the feeling, which i did not. i also have that appreciation for beauty, hell i should if im studying art. sry i couldnt wait i needed to clarify
Nopes, appreciation of beauty does not have necessarily have sexual attraction attached. Let's depart from accessible objects for a moment so you will better understand me.
Consider a sunset (or any scenery to your taste). Now no disrespect to anybody wanting to bone a sunset but I think you will agree with me that you can appreciate the beauty of the latter without an erection. Appreciation of beauty means acknowledgment of features you find remarkable/meaningful. Be it chiseled abs, a painting from Picasso or the dispersed rays of the sun as it sinks below the horizon, all of these do not require the least bit of sexual motivation.
Physiologically you can relate it to the dopamine and opioid system of the brain, two different systems responsible for pleasure and desire. You can read this (rather old) news article if you want less technical information but the fact of the matter is that the bliss/ pleasure(not sexual)/ happiness experienced follow a different pathway from sex.
This is evidenced from an individual's experience or point of view where feelings of being overwhelmed(Double Rainbow!!!) is unrelated to any sexual pursuit or influence.
I’m not saying those books are useless actually they are quite useful to understand how stupid a civilization can be.
The only true value this books hand out are matters of ethic and moral, like: don’t still, don’t lie, don’t harm the other, help the one in need, etc. You don’t need a religion to teach to a child these things.
Everything else is bullsh*t. Who ever come from the dead to say if there is a heaven or hell?
Live your life while you can because is the only one you have. After you’re dead you will just be dead and you won’t have a second chance.
WOW this is by far the biggest insults i've seen in this thread. Congrats. btw the bible is not about teaching not to steal, or dont lie, or helping the one in need. that all comes from our individual choices based on what we believe to be true. The bible goes a lot deeper than that, dont hurt ur silly head over it tho
but u definately said something quite interesting but ill reiterate. guys in reading this right now, there is NO HOPE, after ur dead ull be just that DEAD! like food for worms, so get cremated pple cause its ugly. oh and there is no SECOND CHANCE. if u make a mistake ur done for. HAR HAR HAR! So anwser me this why should i help anybody besides myself? to be nice and a good person? thats very debateable cause maybe im just a proud bastard in the inside, which i am. If i help someone in need, sure its good to help them, but the essence of the act is to help myself. this is a wisdom u may not understand. but its ok, thank you for sharing ur ignorance with regards to the bible. Feel free to live in ur past or u future just dont forget about the present or u might break ur nose on a wall.
as far as the link u provided. its from wiki so i wonder its acurracy but yea ill take it for wat it is, in my experience however there is much history that is left out that many times shows a much different reality.
Surprising you know that by helping the other you are helping yourself.
Then why do you need me to specifically say it. Why are you questioning it?
But I will have to ask you, where is the connection between my afterlife and helping someone now?
Maybe you don’t know what it really means to help someone because your teaching just tells you to help the other, or else you will burn in hell.
I will try to explain you in more human terms and lease godly words.
We as human are a society based leaving beings. We can’t leave outside a society.
If you throw me on a deserted land with no other humans around I will die.
Even if there is a lot of food and videogames and amusement parks or anything that you like, without other humans around, if I won’t die I will get mad.
So, why do we help each other?
We help each other because by doing so we help the society we leave in, and buy doing so we help ourselves.
If you live in a garbage bin you will get sick. I don’t want the society I leave in to be like a garbage bin else I will get sick.
We help our society for the present and the feature, not for our afterlife.
When you are dead you ARE DEAD that’s FINAL. You are food for the worms as you sad.
Those ugly worms btw are part of the food chain and they need to eat too.
Surprising you know that by helping the other you are helping yourself.
Then why do you need me to specifically say it. Why are you questioning it?
But I will have to ask you, where is the connection between my afterlife and helping someone now?
Maybe you don’t know what it really means to help someone because your teaching just tells you to help the other, or else you will burn in hell.
I will try to explain you in more human terms and lease godly words.
We as human are a society based leaving beings. We can’t leave outside a society.
If you throw me on a deserted land with no other humans around I will die.
Even if there is a lot of food and videogames and amusement parks or anything that you like, without other humans around, if I won’t die I will get mad.
So, why do we help each other?
We help each other because by doing so we help the society we leave in, and buy doing so we help ourselves.
If you live in a garbage bin you will get sick. I don’t want the society I leave in to be like a garbage bin else I will get sick.
We help our society for the present and the feature, not for our afterlife.
When you are dead you ARE DEAD that’s FINAL. You are food for the worms as you sad.
Those ugly worms btw are part of the food chain and they need to eat too.
first i thought u were leaving, lol. second i further explain what i meant with helping ourselves in another post within this thread so i suggest u read up. and no my 'religion' as you call it does not say u will burn in hell if u dont help pple, maybe thats what u believe and if so i suggest u come to terms with it. interesting tho i wonder what u think of when u think of after life, if u ever do.
How does it effectively help you: You feel good you've contributed to whatever aid is going to that child. Feeling good releases hormones that decreases your stress level- the latter being widely recognized as a harmful element if in high levels. In other words and as unromantic as it sounds, most of us, irrespective of religion, color or gender are programmed to help.
thats exactly not the christian way to react to it actually. a better example is giving alms. If i give alms and then feel good about myself. it has not helped me at all because all its done is increase my level of pride, which is already ridiculously high. In christianity we are taught to give without the left hand knowing what the right is doing to prevent any sort of building in pride and thinking higher of ourselves. Why shouldnt we feel higher of ourselves? because then the inclination of thinking urself superior to others grows, like the Kraken
again this is a christian stance on the topic explaining what i meant.
You misunderstand my proposition. To get a clearer idea, you need to dissociate yourself for a moment from your religion(or think outside of it if you prefer).
We help out of necessity (physiological benefit). It is an operation occurring from a subconscious level as a result of our natural ability to empathize. In essence we are wired to help.
Pride as you have mentioned is a possible side-effect. It is not the (natural) reason. It doesn't matter if you are Christian, Jew or Muslim, you will help someone else out of instinct not because of your religion.
The problem of pride is a tricky one I will admit and discussion of this will take us completely off topic I am afraid. Suffice it to say that I agree that too much pride is a bad thing.
We as human are a society based leaving beings. We can’t leave outside a society.
If you throw me on a deserted land with no other humans around I will die.
im sure some hermits might disagree with u, unless u mean no insects either.
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that being said i dont actually believe homosexuality to be natural, i believe it to be something that grows out of an experience, event, or feeling.
I am against state-sanctioned murder, yes.
When they break into your private property, they give up their right to not have harm done to them.
Reasonable force. Don't tazer a mentally challanged kid, don't arrest and body slam a young male for dancing, don't mace a girl for simply being at a non-violent protest.
A 2 year old? Send the soldier to prison. A 17 year old, send the punk to prison. Both instances somebody gave their right to not be harmed up.
First, if the doctors said she was infertile and she had a baby, the doctors were wrong. This is your story, and your implications.
Second, you can get married by a justice of the peace. (Unless, you know, your gay or something.)
Third, yes, a homosexual can get married in a few states, and it's legally binding in even fewer states. If I got married to my ex in Vermont and moved back to West Virginia, I'd be a single man again, no divorce necessary.
Fourth, and last, I apologize if I offended you. I personally view it as a magic trick though. But I do apologize.
I wanted to quote this so people would read it again.
And what is natural is penis to vagina, right? That means homosexuality is not natural, which means the Bible is condemning it, correct? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to understand what your saying. (I understand the Bible, at this point just trying to understand what the people who read the bible think. :P)
After reading the Bible and going over a good chunk of the Tanakh and the Qu'ran, I would have to disagree with you. Jesus may of been partially about love and forgiveness, but god seemed to get off on hurting people. (My interpretation. No offense intended to anyone.)
I use them because I don't want a kid yet, and I don't want to get the syph.
On a side note, guys, could we be a little nicer to each other? We are all friends here and we all share a fanship of the Diablo series, so lets talk a little nicer to each other. (I know I'm not the best example to say this, but it needed saying.)
Thanks!
My rebuke was that if that was truly the basis, then the bible would have been championing the cause of safe sex since anal sex is risky instead of simply condemning wholly the action. Sex does not necessarily require penetration and has been practiced as such a varied pursuit since before the bible. Religions around the world has only vilified the act, made it taboo and passed unreasonable judgments/commands on who should be able to do what.
What you have done is bring safe sex to modern standards and question if it is the reason why condoms are being mostly used which was not the point that was being discussed at all. Please do consider more carefully when replying.
I only clarified that my question was genuine since i know quite a lot of religious folks feel offended at being asked if they are gay.
Glad you are not of that group.
And I must say I am quite surprised by your revelation. Chances are that you are bisexual which is a predisposition possible within our species.
Once again I am not accusing, only trying to understand. I can say with confidence that I have not experienced any attraction to a man. I can appreciate the beauty of one but there is simply no trace of sexual attraction. So it is my experience against yours here. Considering that I have no moral or religious doubt or stance against homosexuality, I hope you will consider my experience as relevant too.
Let's wait and see if we get more people willing to back up mine or your experience on this one.
So, you are against state sanctioned murder, so that should hold true for everybody? You deem it wrong, so immediately it is wrong... I personally feel if you are willing to take then you must be willing to give. So, if you are willing to take a life, then your life is void, that is my opinion.
I have seen two of my family members murdered, and the ones responsible received 10 years sentence. So, according to your views, my loved ones' lives were worth 10 years. That's very narrow minded.
I agree with the intrusion point, but if you break a person's limbs who lost his job and intended to steal a television set to support his hospitalized child, then it sort of places things in perspective. I am not condoning what he's doing and if I'm in the same position I would defend my household, any means necessary. The point is, once again, you failed to see the gray area about it.
I'm not sure what you meant by tazering mentally challenging kids or body slamming male dancers, but in my country the police beat a man to death the other day in a government march, and they got off for it. This is a very fine line, how far can you push the law, because sometimes laws are meant to be fought (like black and womans rights) and how far can the police go to make sure things don't get out of hand.
Reasonable force, sure, it sounds neat. But they aren't exactly slapping one another on the wrists, now are they. There's rock throwing, molotov cocktails, and destruction of property when a protest really goes awry. You make it sound so quaint.
A 2 year old with a gun? What are you talking about? I'm talking about a child aged 14 or 15, taking up arms to defend his home and values. When soldiers occupying a country encounter such a child at his home trying to find a hidden cache of weapons and all hell breaks loose. Neither of them are right or wrong, but the situation is severely screwed up.
In my country a man was arrested for raping a 6 month old baby. A sangoma told him it was the only way to rid himself of AIDS. I find this fucking sickening, however, his community found it perfectly reasonable. I still don't get it, for the life of me. This is what I mean by cultures have different views.
This is what I meant by moral grey. Yes, I know you have values and standards, so do I. Both ours probably differ. And I can tell you, your morals and views mean nothing in another country or to someone with a totally different religion.
again this is a christian stance on the topic explaining what i meant.
Nopes, appreciation of beauty does not have necessarily have sexual attraction attached. Let's depart from accessible objects for a moment so you will better understand me.
Consider a sunset (or any scenery to your taste). Now no disrespect to anybody wanting to bone a sunset but I think you will agree with me that you can appreciate the beauty of the latter without an erection. Appreciation of beauty means acknowledgment of features you find remarkable/meaningful. Be it chiseled abs, a painting from Picasso or the dispersed rays of the sun as it sinks below the horizon, all of these do not require the least bit of sexual motivation.
Physiologically you can relate it to the dopamine and opioid system of the brain, two different systems responsible for pleasure and desire. You can read this (rather old) news article if you want less technical information but the fact of the matter is that the bliss/ pleasure(not sexual)/ happiness experienced follow a different pathway from sex.
This is evidenced from an individual's experience or point of view where feelings of being overwhelmed(Double Rainbow!!!) is unrelated to any sexual pursuit or influence.
Surprising you know that by helping the other you are helping yourself.
Then why do you need me to specifically say it. Why are you questioning it?
But I will have to ask you, where is the connection between my afterlife and helping someone now?
Maybe you don’t know what it really means to help someone because your teaching just tells you to help the other, or else you will burn in hell.
I will try to explain you in more human terms and lease godly words.
We as human are a society based leaving beings. We can’t leave outside a society.
If you throw me on a deserted land with no other humans around I will die.
Even if there is a lot of food and videogames and amusement parks or anything that you like, without other humans around, if I won’t die I will get mad.
So, why do we help each other?
We help each other because by doing so we help the society we leave in, and buy doing so we help ourselves.
If you live in a garbage bin you will get sick. I don’t want the society I leave in to be like a garbage bin else I will get sick.
We help our society for the present and the feature, not for our afterlife.
When you are dead you ARE DEAD that’s FINAL. You are food for the worms as you sad.
Those ugly worms btw are part of the food chain and they need to eat too.
You misunderstand my proposition. To get a clearer idea, you need to dissociate yourself for a moment from your religion(or think outside of it if you prefer).
We help out of necessity (physiological benefit). It is an operation occurring from a subconscious level as a result of our natural ability to empathize. In essence we are wired to help.
Pride as you have mentioned is a possible side-effect. It is not the (natural) reason. It doesn't matter if you are Christian, Jew or Muslim, you will help someone else out of instinct not because of your religion.
The problem of pride is a tricky one I will admit and discussion of this will take us completely off topic I am afraid. Suffice it to say that I agree that too much pride is a bad thing.