s10 meta will be 3 x lightning wiz and one support. Even with the MH nerf, wiz's are so far ahead of other classes for DPS that using anything else makes no sense.
This is a screenshot from 4 man leaderboard on PTR; taken a minute ago:
Wiz/DH/double crusader is the new meta. You heard it here first. Made top 20 on PTR, so it must be meta, right? RIGHT? RIGHT?
Well...
Maybe not quite. It's only GR40.
No one is playing PTR. There's simply not enough testing to give any definitive answer about the S10 meta. And there won't be until PTR goes down, because Blizzard recently started to make meta-impacting changes post-PTR. You can ask about the meta a few weeks into the season. But: IT DOESN'T MATTER. In the first few days and weeks, the meta is *not* the same as the final season push meta. You're not pushing on day 1 or in week 1 of the season; you're speedfarming.
Pick any class you like, or whatever your group wants you to pick. Be prepared to change classes. That's it. Same every season.
Currently it's assumed that the meta is sup barb, sup monk, WD for trash, and either monk, wiz, or DH for the RG (all three seem to be viable). But anyone who will now tell you "THIS IS THE S10 META FOR SURE" is an absolutely bloody fool. Don't ask for them, don't listen to them. If anyone of the top players tells you what the S10 meta is, they'll be trolling you; they know better.
This is a screenshot from 4 man leaderboard on PTR; taken a minute ago:
Wiz/DH/double crusader is the new meta. You heard it here first. Made top 20 on PTR, so it must be meta, right? RIGHT? RIGHT?
Well...
Maybe not quite. It's only GR40.
No one is playing PTR. There's simply not enough testing to give any definitive answer about the S10 meta. And there won't be until PTR goes down, because Blizzard recently started to make meta-impacting changes post-PTR. You can ask about the meta a few weeks into the season. But: IT DOESN'T MATTER. In the first few days and weeks, the meta is *not* the same as the final season push meta. You're not pushing on day 1 or in week 1 of the season; you're speedfarming.
Pick any class you like, or whatever your group wants you to pick. Be prepared to change classes. That's it. Same every season.
Currently it's assumed that the meta is sup barb, sup monk, WD for trash, and either monk, wiz, or DH for the RG (all three seem to be viable). But anyone who will now tell you "THIS IS THE S10 META FOR SURE" is an absolutely bloody fool. Don't ask for them, don't listen to them. If anyone of the top players tells you what the S10 meta is, they'll be trolling you; they know better.
Yea i pretty much tell all the youtubers saying R6 gen monk is being replaced by the SM6 Impaler DH, that PTR doesn't dictate the META. PTR servers are unstable so why say "Oh brand new META." Granted The Hydra wiz is very OP right now. But you have to wonder, If the current Lightning archon is at least 5 solo GRs above the R6 gen monk, why isn't it commonly used in 4-man pushes?
Like you said, many threads and seasons ago. META evolves over time. PTR predicts the start of the season, but not the end game.
Heck for all we know they new META will be Hydra wiz, zbarb, and zmonk, zWD.
s10 meta will be 3 x lightning wiz and one support. Even with the MH nerf, wiz's are so far ahead of other classes for DPS that using anything else makes no sense.
Like in S9, where wizard cleared 7 tiers higher than monk (GR111 vs GR104) in solo and thus there's wizards in every 4 player group, right? Oh, wait.
in those test IMO the hydra wiz wasnt optimized for max RG dmg as well. So as Bagstone said we cannot predict like anything right now.
What I think you're right is, that probably what fits in best with the FB WD will be used.
But in the end people will just copy the rank1 spot like they do every season. Like brainless chickens and then complain in forums that there is only 1 choice. But well I should get over this fact. It's just the way it is...
in those test IMO the hydra wiz wasnt optimized for max RG dmg as well. So as Bagstone said we cannot predict like anything right now.
What I think you're right is, that probably what fits in best with the FB WD will be used.
But in the end people will just copy the rank1 spot like they do every season. Like brainless chickens and then complain in forums that there is only 1 choice. But well I should get over this fact. It's just the way it is...
Lol just 5 minutes ago i had a kid on the battlenet forums complaining about just one build being viable and how much better it was "in the old days" (what ever he is refering to here). People (lets say 90%) don't get how many builds and build variants you can play while not beeing too inefficient...
and on the other hand they also don`t get that it is not possible balance this game in a way so that the top 5 in the leaderboards will not result in one build. Funny enough that we see at least two builds in the top 10 for almost each class.
Sometimes i wish we did not have all these information we have. Imagine how much fun diablo would be without knowing what build is the best and just testing everything ourselves. I think that is why the PTR is so much fun for me (and how unefficient we would be at the same time without knowing ;D).
in those test IMO the hydra wiz wasnt optimized for max RG dmg as well. So as Bagstone said we cannot predict like anything right now.
What I think you're right is, that probably what fits in best with the FB WD will be used.
But in the end people will just copy the rank1 spot like they do every season. Like brainless chickens and then complain in forums that there is only 1 choice. But well I should get over this fact. It's just the way it is...
Lol just 5 minutes ago i had a kid on the battlenet forums complaining about just one build being viable and how much better it was "in the old days" (what ever he is refering to here). People (lets say 90%) don't get how many builds and build variants you can play while not beeing too inefficient...
and on the other hand they also don`t get that it is not possible balance this game in a way so that the top 5 in the leaderboards will not result in one build. Funny enough that we see at least two builds in the top 10 for almost each class.
Sometimes i wish we did not have all these information we have. Imagine how much fun diablo would be without knowing what build is the best and just testing everything ourselves. I think that is why the PTR is so much fun for me (and how unefficient we would be at the same time without knowing ;D).
"in the old days"... it's pretty common people say this, just for the sake that in the past everything was better (mostly a very subjective way of looking at things...). Of course you could play whatever you like in D3 vanilla for example since there was no leaderboard and so people thought they have more room playing different builds. Still you were just less effective when playing Hota instead of WW Barb. It's the same right now, just that you can inspect leaderboard rank 1 clears (which everyone seems to do...).
The amount of random whispers/questions/friend-invites you get when being #1 on a leaderboard compared to #50 is ridiculous
What i'm refering to is more like the fact that top leaderboard clears are more or less never set in stone, Blizzard done somewhat a decent job in bringing the performance of various sets closer to each other in their highest clears, so make them more competetive with each other. There is still much room for improvement and many flaws (e.g. playing wiz almost exclusively, I know that it's impossible to work your way around Archon nowadays...)
Still there are many ways in changing/optimizing a so called "best build"
I know that it hasn't been tested in 4 man to my knowledge at least but EU did a 3 man GR 112 with zmonk, firebats wd, and a lightning wizard. Why is that important? Well it doesn't have a zbarb which mainly brings ignore pain 50% DR and pulls mobs. If you ran the same composition for 4 man but put in a Shadow DH, the DH could run Numbing Traps passive for 25% DR and run Sentry - Guardian torrent for another 25% DR on top of inner sanctuary which is where the Monk, DH, and WD would be standing anyways. Monk would be using the sanct rune to be immune to control impairing effects which again is normally a benefit of IP. Wizard in this particular case would be the one that would aggro mobs seeing as they really only do damage during the initial portion of their archon with 4 Tal's stacks and lightning COE cycle. This particular set-up would allow for 1 zdps and 3dps. 2 of which would be focusing on killing the RG. The party would receive the wolf companion buff 15% multiplicative and 15% additive via Mark For Death as well from the DH for the duration of the rift. It is definitely a more fishy set-up compared to having a zbarb but if you want to potentially talk about end game pushing on an open map, its a possibility to not rule out.
I know that it hasn't been tested in 4 man to my knowledge at least but EU did a 3 man GR 112 with zmonk, firebats wd, and a lightning wizard. Why is that important? Well it doesn't have a zbarb which mainly brings ignore pain 50% DR and pulls mobs. If you ran the same composition for 4 man but put in a Shadow DH, the DH could run Numbing Traps passive for 25% DR and run Sentry - Guardian torrent for another 25% DR on top of inner sanctuary which is where the Monk, DH, and WD would be standing anyways. Monk would be using the sanct rune to be immune to control impairing effects which again is normally a benefit of IP. Wizard in this particular case would be the one that would aggro mobs seeing as they really only do damage during the initial portion of their archon with 4 Tal's stacks and lightning COE cycle. This particular set-up would allow for 1 zdps and 3dps. 2 of which would be focusing on killing the RG. The party would receive the wolf companion buff 15% multiplicative and 15% additive via Mark For Death as well from the DH for the duration of the rift. It is definitely a more fishy set-up compared to having a zbarb but if you want to potentially talk about end game pushing on an open map, its a possibility to not rule out.
Of course its been tested. The 2 dps one heal monk setup you refer to is a nightmare to play. Much easier to fish for a good map and have barb who can pull so you can kill elites - remember elites take 2-3 stops to kill high they cant die at the first spot or you lose so much progress if you stay there and kill them. Then at 50% or 75% progress when you get a conduit you have 5 elites grouped and its Gratz.
Do you think we just say well 2 supports sounds good so let's play that? LOL not tested.
So you are saying well if its difficult to play then it won't be the best. But since zbarb is easier then its ideal? If you are already fishing for the best GG map, how is it really that much different? This brings up previous seasons where you had Slowball Lightning DH meta for the entire season and the final week you had 2 Hydra Wiz take over Rank 1 yet it wasn't ideal. It was more dps than Slowball pending you had the right map, density, etc. Bottom line is if you are fishing for rank 1 maps and want to push the limits something that is a nightmare to play may be what pushes the group over the bar. It's up to the individual group to decide how they want to attempt their pushes. The meta won't be truly decided until a couple of weeks into the season once everyone has had more time to test different comps especially since the majority of the player base plays seasons. And even at that point, you could have something new come up last minute and steal the thunder.
As far as my not tested comment, I said to my knowledge. I haven't personally seen any videos of anyone attempting it. That doesn't mean that it hasn't been tested either.
Wiz is hard to play and hard to gear for but will be strongest if played successfully.
Hey can you explain me because wiz is hard to play? do you need to snapshot hydra's damage or something? , i didnt watch videos about this season, so just asking. I agree about gearing wizard, prettty hard and you start with shit set.
People tend to ignore that the top DPS wizard build (running COE) lacks nearly any form of defensive abilities and will consistently get one-shot if not combined with double support.
hydra will pull ahead of monk and dh after GR 115 for single target. it doesnt matter if wiz dies during the clear. wiz is there for one reason rift guardian damg (like the old gen monk)
1-Supp Barb OK!
2-Supp Monk OK!
3-FB WD OK!
4-DPS (For Guardian) ???
Zunimassa WD / DH / Gen Monk / Wiz
someone says DH
someone says monk again
someone says Wiz
I am confused.
What do you think?
s10 meta will be 3 x lightning wiz and one support. Even with the MH nerf, wiz's are so far ahead of other classes for DPS that using anything else makes no sense.
This is a screenshot from 4 man leaderboard on PTR; taken a minute ago:
Wiz/DH/double crusader is the new meta. You heard it here first. Made top 20 on PTR, so it must be meta, right? RIGHT? RIGHT?
Well...
Maybe not quite. It's only GR40.
No one is playing PTR. There's simply not enough testing to give any definitive answer about the S10 meta. And there won't be until PTR goes down, because Blizzard recently started to make meta-impacting changes post-PTR. You can ask about the meta a few weeks into the season. But: IT DOESN'T MATTER. In the first few days and weeks, the meta is *not* the same as the final season push meta. You're not pushing on day 1 or in week 1 of the season; you're speedfarming.
Pick any class you like, or whatever your group wants you to pick. Be prepared to change classes. That's it. Same every season.
Currently it's assumed that the meta is sup barb, sup monk, WD for trash, and either monk, wiz, or DH for the RG (all three seem to be viable). But anyone who will now tell you "THIS IS THE S10 META FOR SURE" is an absolutely bloody fool. Don't ask for them, don't listen to them. If anyone of the top players tells you what the S10 meta is, they'll be trolling you; they know better.
Like you said, many threads and seasons ago. META evolves over time. PTR predicts the start of the season, but not the end game.
Heck for all we know they new META will be Hydra wiz, zbarb, and zmonk, zWD.
http://ptr.diablo3.site/?leaderboard=18
Season and Normal
DPS for Guardian
Zuni WD ve Shadow DH
But I think start with Wiz for key farming and Speed Grift (82s) is better then DH or WD
Its will prob be
zbarb, zmonk, fb wd, hydra wiz
COE hydra wiz does more rift guardian damg tham pretty much any other class right now.
DH and Gen Monk will be viable for that single damg slot unless youre pushing the very top of the ladder
in those test IMO the hydra wiz wasnt optimized for max RG dmg as well. So as Bagstone said we cannot predict like anything right now.
What I think you're right is, that probably what fits in best with the FB WD will be used.
But in the end people will just copy the rank1 spot like they do every season. Like brainless chickens and then complain in forums that there is only 1 choice. But well I should get over this fact. It's just the way it is...
Lol just 5 minutes ago i had a kid on the battlenet forums complaining about just one build being viable and how much better it was "in the old days" (what ever he is refering to here). People (lets say 90%) don't get how many builds and build variants you can play while not beeing too inefficient...
and on the other hand they also don`t get that it is not possible balance this game in a way so that the top 5 in the leaderboards will not result in one build. Funny enough that we see at least two builds in the top 10 for almost each class.
Sometimes i wish we did not have all these information we have. Imagine how much fun diablo would be without knowing what build is the best and just testing everything ourselves. I think that is why the PTR is so much fun for me (and how unefficient we would be at the same time without knowing ;D).
The amount of random whispers/questions/friend-invites you get when being #1 on a leaderboard compared to #50 is ridiculous
What i'm refering to is more like the fact that top leaderboard clears are more or less never set in stone, Blizzard done somewhat a decent job in bringing the performance of various sets closer to each other in their highest clears, so make them more competetive with each other. There is still much room for improvement and many flaws (e.g. playing wiz almost exclusively, I know that it's impossible to work your way around Archon nowadays...)
Still there are many ways in changing/optimizing a so called "best build"
Yes, and i just wanted to promote your comment :D. I hope you didn't get me wrong.
And i also think that the job done by blizzard was not bad and that they deserve some credit for that in the days
of infinite whining and downvoting everything.
I know that it hasn't been tested in 4 man to my knowledge at least but EU did a 3 man GR 112 with zmonk, firebats wd, and a lightning wizard. Why is that important? Well it doesn't have a zbarb which mainly brings ignore pain 50% DR and pulls mobs. If you ran the same composition for 4 man but put in a Shadow DH, the DH could run Numbing Traps passive for 25% DR and run Sentry - Guardian torrent for another 25% DR on top of inner sanctuary which is where the Monk, DH, and WD would be standing anyways. Monk would be using the sanct rune to be immune to control impairing effects which again is normally a benefit of IP. Wizard in this particular case would be the one that would aggro mobs seeing as they really only do damage during the initial portion of their archon with 4 Tal's stacks and lightning COE cycle. This particular set-up would allow for 1 zdps and 3dps. 2 of which would be focusing on killing the RG. The party would receive the wolf companion buff 15% multiplicative and 15% additive via Mark For Death as well from the DH for the duration of the rift. It is definitely a more fishy set-up compared to having a zbarb but if you want to potentially talk about end game pushing on an open map, its a possibility to not rule out.
Cheers mate.
As far as my not tested comment, I said to my knowledge. I haven't personally seen any videos of anyone attempting it. That doesn't mean that it hasn't been tested either.
Hey can you explain me because wiz is hard to play? do you need to snapshot hydra's damage or something? , i didnt watch videos about this season, so just asking. I agree about gearing wizard, prettty hard and you start with shit set.
People tend to ignore that the top DPS wizard build (running COE) lacks nearly any form of defensive abilities and will consistently get one-shot if not combined with double support.
hydra will pull ahead of monk and dh after GR 115 for single target. it doesnt matter if wiz dies during the clear. wiz is there for one reason rift guardian damg (like the old gen monk)