Furthermore, the trip itself doesn't fulfill anything that you cannot or won't achieve without it.
Actually it does. I am not capable of assembling something of this nature. Anything else will mean I have to worry about something and I'm sick and tired of worrying about X, Y, and Z.
That makes your New Zealand trip as absurd as a spoiled brat whining about how he absolutely needs a slim ps3 and the old one just won't do.
This would make sense if I was like begging someone to pay for my trip or something. I know it would help. It's out there. That's about it. I'm not asking anyone to do it. I haven't mentioned it to anyone. I just know the sort of thing that helps. Germans approve of things like that.
For now, I just settle for having my own place in about 3 years and think about that.
What you seem to completely overlook is that it can be several factors involved which is why it is important to know of them and at least try to eliminate/counter them in a systematic manner.
I've eliminated all factors I could have so now I'm trying to do something about factors I can't eliminate.
You've shown way too much motivation and enthusiasm in replying to this topic for instance and it is evident you still play and enjoy games from your activity on the forums.
Yes, that's why I said if I'm angry I'm fine. Right now, I'm angry at Critter for saying what I consider BS.
If playing a game for 2 days and then getting sick of it counts as enjoying games, sure.
I'm looking forward to DIII but even then sometimes I fear I won't enjoy it.
Pray don't banalize depression like you are doing.
And if you are depressed, you must be the happiest depressed person on this earth.
There are degrees, and, yes, my depression case is pretty mild, but it used to be worse and generally people with depression don't have an issue with how I talk about it. I don't really know where my depression is all I know is that it pisses me and my friends off. I also know a few people who also have depression, some worse cases than mine. I know how NOT to talk to them and what NOT to tell them.
I will also remind you that depressed people can express what appears as enthusiasm and happiness, that's why people are so horrible at predicting who will commit suicide, they think just because you were happy or smiling about something one day you must be totally fine. It's more complicated than that. Don't banalize depression indeed, it's not as simple as "person X looks emo all the time". In fact, people who don't know me at all think I'm a very happy person, especially teachers and TA's and parents since I wear a mask around them.
You never seemed to be the kind of person to be a tragedy queen. Hope you won't start now.
I'm not.
I never asked this thread to turn into some kind of a "let's fix Equinox's depression" farce.
I wanted to discuss suicide, what my lead to suicide, and why people shouldn't look down at people who are considering suicide. I also disagree with the conventional wisdom on depression very strongly because I feel it's being written by the wrong people and is actually harmful to those depressed.
Please note that I have never ever attempted suicide and do not intend to.
But sometimes it's difficult to discuss topics for me without reflecting on myself and then suddenly people come up with this weird desire to tell me what to do or something.
This is freaking Deja Vu. I've seen exactly this kind of thing happening with Equinox once long before and things did get ugly then. Though I don't seem to recall what the topic was back then.
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P.S. I've been to NZ, it's a beautiful place. Make sure you go to Rotorua (the sulphuric steam vents are crazy, can't remember the name for them) and check out some of the dead volcanoes.
I agree 100% what equinox said here. People just dont understand sometimes a person dieing is better off for the world than them living. Not all people that have died or feel like dieing are like that though. Some could really do good by getting through it. Some just have nothing going for them and death is a way out.
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I believe if the person can prove enough evidence that hes in the shit hole and things are not getting any better then it would be justified.
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1. You realize how little time you have to live this life and try to make the best out of it (the way you find more appealing to you - for me it's making friends, being in a "healthy" relationship and doing things I like, like being a member and moderator here)
Doesn't work.
You are coming from the perspective that life is some kind of a worthwile sacred thing with limited time. I just don't feel that way at all. I feel life is this random thing going on that I stick with as long as it doesn't bother me too much. Making the best out of life and treating every day as sacred is a specifically optimistic perspective that not that many people share, actually, most people live life out of convenience or instinct of self-preservation. Nor do I see the logic behind your perspective.
The person DOES NOT share that perspective, the think life is "meh" and losing it is not a big deal. What do you tell them? Of course it depends on the person. For instance, if you tell me to go make friends I'll probably punch you in the face because that doesn't work for me.
It's about showing people it's not over just because the society we live in isn't as it should be. Very much as suggestions and effort can change things in a small community (like a forum), with a little more effort and good suggestions things can change in real life aswell.
Better. Sometimes it's about finding a "corner" you feel well at. Just the corner may be hard to find.
That's my main point. Why kill yourself when you have the chance to fight for something bigger than you?
Maybe because we have different ideas about the chance. Like what DesmondTiny said. Most things I want to fight for are bigger than me. I want to fight the world. I was told if I fight the world, I will lose. I fight the world anyway, but I don't expect to win, not now.
Can you blame people for not being able to understand and see their place and the meaning of their life, in a place like North America? Where we place doubts and judgments of others to such a high level, where everything seems designed to push us down in meaninglessness, without even realizing it.
You really can't. This country >causes< depression. I was never depressed in Ukraine, even though I was bullied a lot and had a lot less stuff. It doesn't make America a bad country per se but you need a different mindset to survive here mentally.
been reading this thread now and I liked most of your arguments and walls of texts quite alot untill I see this, that you belive in god, why? if there was a caring god then why is there depression for example, he being almighty shouldn't find it much of a challenge to get rid of it since its a pretty useless state of mind like you've said and if he didn't care then why fight for him and worship him..
you just don't really seem like the type of person who'd get sucked into the whole christianity crap, not trying to be offensive, really not lol, just curius what your reasons are
It should be an option for all ages (Perhaps minimum age of 21)Not just elderly people.
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@ Meh - God doesn't necessarily mean the Christian faith. Believing in something higher is healthy for the mind, if you believe in nothing then what's the purpose, really? Just being doesn't give us any answers. Science gives us some answers but still no purpose. All humans crave a sense of purpose.
So suicide has a purpose...Some people need to go while others need or should have stayed.
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I voted yes. That being said, I would most likely be dead by now. You know, teenage years. Plus a lot of stuff in my past I don't wanna get into in public.
All in all it'd probably make for a stronger society. I know I can't contribute much because of my disabilities that I acquired while growing up. If society didn't have to support me or other people that attempted suicide they might be able to afford to do greater things. Then again they may just hand it off to the politicians to take longer vacations. Who knows.
I believe in the right to end your own life, but to make Futurama style "Suicide Booths" would make it way too easy for somebody to have a shitty week, then have an easy, accessible way to end it all. Easy methods like that, fuck no.
If people want to end their own life, they should have an option open to them, but only be allowed to take said option after a period of counselling/medication/whatever to get to the root of their problems and see if they come around. If at the end of that period they still want to stick a knife into their face, then let them kill themselves through assisted suicide.
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I think the guy with a shitty week woulld probably be smart enough to realise he has family/friends that love him. I do agree with the second part of the post. There needs to be a more public way to do so.
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Yeah there is a difference between sadness and depression. Having a shitty week shouldn't make you want to kill yourself. If it does LITERALLY make you want to kill yourself (different than wanting to die) then I say yeah therapy. Lots of people probably feel like they want to die sometime, but to actually use the gun, take the pills, or push the button is a whole different thing. Knowing there is no turning back. Accepting that it's the end.
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It's actually not. I just don't have the wits to do it, and I'm not sure it's the best solution right now. But if things get really bad, I will do it.
Actually it does. I am not capable of assembling something of this nature. Anything else will mean I have to worry about something and I'm sick and tired of worrying about X, Y, and Z.
This would make sense if I was like begging someone to pay for my trip or something. I know it would help. It's out there. That's about it. I'm not asking anyone to do it. I haven't mentioned it to anyone. I just know the sort of thing that helps. Germans approve of things like that.
For now, I just settle for having my own place in about 3 years and think about that.
I've eliminated all factors I could have so now I'm trying to do something about factors I can't eliminate.
I disagree. *shrugs*
I'm depressed, frustrated, and angry, how about that?
Yes, that's why I said if I'm angry I'm fine. Right now, I'm angry at Critter for saying what I consider BS.
If playing a game for 2 days and then getting sick of it counts as enjoying games, sure.
I'm looking forward to DIII but even then sometimes I fear I won't enjoy it.
There are degrees, and, yes, my depression case is pretty mild, but it used to be worse and generally people with depression don't have an issue with how I talk about it. I don't really know where my depression is all I know is that it pisses me and my friends off. I also know a few people who also have depression, some worse cases than mine. I know how NOT to talk to them and what NOT to tell them.
I will also remind you that depressed people can express what appears as enthusiasm and happiness, that's why people are so horrible at predicting who will commit suicide, they think just because you were happy or smiling about something one day you must be totally fine. It's more complicated than that. Don't banalize depression indeed, it's not as simple as "person X looks emo all the time". In fact, people who don't know me at all think I'm a very happy person, especially teachers and TA's and parents since I wear a mask around them.
I'm not.
I never asked this thread to turn into some kind of a "let's fix Equinox's depression" farce.
I wanted to discuss suicide, what my lead to suicide, and why people shouldn't look down at people who are considering suicide. I also disagree with the conventional wisdom on depression very strongly because I feel it's being written by the wrong people and is actually harmful to those depressed.
Please note that I have never ever attempted suicide and do not intend to.
But sometimes it's difficult to discuss topics for me without reflecting on myself and then suddenly people come up with this weird desire to tell me what to do or something.
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Well I sincerely hope you do manage to figure things out.
You are smart enough for that. Just try to keep an open mind though.
See you in New Zealand.(I seriously plan on going there btw).
P.S. I've been to NZ, it's a beautiful place. Make sure you go to Rotorua (the sulphuric steam vents are crazy, can't remember the name for them) and check out some of the dead volcanoes.
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
I wouldn't approve of booths though.
Thanks.
I'll be fine.
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
been reading this thread now and I liked most of your arguments and walls of texts quite alot untill I see this, that you belive in god, why? if there was a caring god then why is there depression for example, he being almighty shouldn't find it much of a challenge to get rid of it since its a pretty useless state of mind like you've said and if he didn't care then why fight for him and worship him..
you just don't really seem like the type of person who'd get sucked into the whole christianity crap, not trying to be offensive, really not lol, just curius what your reasons are
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If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
But America could set off all their nukes tomorrow if they choose? I'm gonna do some research on that statement, it sounds interesting.
As much as I would like to answer that would be grossly offtopic.
Yeah I don't believe in free will myself. I believe in tunnel will.
All in all it'd probably make for a stronger society. I know I can't contribute much because of my disabilities that I acquired while growing up. If society didn't have to support me or other people that attempted suicide they might be able to afford to do greater things. Then again they may just hand it off to the politicians to take longer vacations. Who knows.
I believe in the right to end your own life, but to make Futurama style "Suicide Booths" would make it way too easy for somebody to have a shitty week, then have an easy, accessible way to end it all. Easy methods like that, fuck no.
If people want to end their own life, they should have an option open to them, but only be allowed to take said option after a period of counselling/medication/whatever to get to the root of their problems and see if they come around. If at the end of that period they still want to stick a knife into their face, then let them kill themselves through assisted suicide.
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
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You need only just ask