I didn't check IGN so get off your high horse. I normally just check gamespot and metacritic for reviews so thats why I mentioned those. The hate is very valid if it's how a person feels about it.
And I could have picked a number of reviews that gave it a perfect 100, proceeding to claim it to be the greatest game in the history of time. Reviews mean nothing, and most of the scores were downgraded due to the major issues with the realms in the first days of the release, not to mention how everyone wanted the game to fail because of the hype and hating on Diablo became very mainstream even before the game was out.
I really don't care how you feel, and you are entitled to your own opinion, but next time if you wish to express your hate make some valid arguments to support it, other than calling the people who enjoy the game mindless morons, brainwashed by Blizzard into liking their product.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the small death that brings total obliteration."
I didn't.
The main goal with the game has always been hunting for that one mighty fine upgrade you wanted, in D2 it was about hunting for uniques, in D3 it is all about farming for gold.
I'm not mad tho, I've got GW2.
I call it COD syndrome. Call of duty modern warfare series started out with everyone loving it, then mw2 came and people complained about the similarities and some differences, then black ops, and people complained that it was too similar, then mw3 came and people further complained that it was too similar.
The point is that even if a game is similar to its popular predecessor, people will complain about lack of changes.
TL:DR People will complain whether it was exactly like d2 or 100 percent different.
You good sir, is a fool.
I cant quite put it any other way, I wish I could but I really can't.
MW1 was a glorious game, with proper support it could have become a pretty decent esport contender.
However MW2 was a massive setback, they removed all the smaller tight knit communities that existed because they wanted to battle piracy, it failed by the way.
Black ops, while a step in the right direction, built on smaller maps in a more arcade like combat and as such was a huge let down for a lot of people.
MW3, well MW3 is nothing more than a glorified and very expensive mappack for MW2, calling it a game would be an insult to actual games.
Yet we're not here to discuss CoD.
I'm not mad about D3, I'm not particulary happy with how it has turned out, but I knew from the get go that it would never keep me hooked as good as Diablo 2 did.
If we aren't here to discuss CoD and GW2, why did you even spend all those paragraphs typing about them.
You sir, are an idiot. A complete moron. I can't quite put it any other way.
Overall i liked the game. Though ofc it's not up to the expectations i had. So far mostly because of the skill system... It made the game fail in 2 aspects:
1) No replayability turned out to be a bad idea... Leveling new characters to try-out new builds was way more fun than what we have now.
2) The amount of viable skills is even lower atm than it was in D2. Those small differents on 1-2 skill and ~1 passive on builds most people use just look the same as Lightning Ama with Valkyre vs Lightning Ama w/o Valk. Not major at all.
And overall skills/classes are way too imbalanced.
And there's coming 3rd fail with nerfing Inferno. They said it's gonna take around 2 months to beat Inferno, now 3 weeks passed and people on HC already in act3 (that means w/o bug/death exploits which let softcore people kill Inferno Diablo in 1 week or smth). I mean the pace is kinda ok now. May be it should be even harder, though it would've been - w/o shitty Treasure Goblins and Azmodan/ZK/etc powerleveling. Now you really have to farm some rare gear to progress through acts 2-4 and give some thought on build and stats on gear. But after nerf there probably won't be any "end-game" at all.
PS On a side note all complainers should try HC if they haven't yet. Lots of problems you guys complain about simly don't exist on HC so far. For example - GAH. There are no hundreds of Stormshields,etc. It's still hard to find decent gear, and much harder for decent prices. And you still can make some good gold with finding mediocre rare/legendary.
PS On a side note all complainers should try HC if they haven't yet. Lots of problems you guys complain about simly don't exist on HC so far. For example - GAH. There are no hundreds of Stormshields,etc. It's still hard to find decent gear, and much harder for decent prices. And you still can make some good money with finding mediocre rare/legendary.
This is very much true. Softcore becomes very boring when you try HC and see how good and exciting this game can actually be.
Zerging packs and dying dozens of times in the process is just not good gameplay. The punishment for dying is extremely low and Blizzard is obviously very aware of that.
Also, itemization in it's current state needs a lot of work. Obsolete legendaries are in my opinion one of their biggest mistakes so far. No matter how much they don't want the focus to be on them, legendary items should always be much, much better than magic items of the same-ish level, which right now is just not the case.
Another big problem is people becoming disenchanted way too fast because they don't need to grind items 'til Inferno. You just buy them cheaply on the AH, and that takes away from the fun of looting it yourself, while also killing the prospect of grinding. Then you reach Inferno and the prices for good items go astronomically high, but at the same time you aren't getting much (any) good loot while farming the first act. And then Act 2 destroys your hopes from the start, especially if you play melee.
Everyone switches to the same tanky build and just hopes to progress with as little deaths as possible. All those spells and runes become obsolete and are almost never used again, which is a shame. Hopefully the next big patches are gonna be fixing a lot of this things, because there should be many more viable builds for end game content.
By the first glimpses they provided us, it seems Blizzard is listening to the constructive criticism and is rapidly improving upon the game, and that gives me faith that Diablo 3 will vastly improve over the next few months. Hopefully they won't prove me wrong.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the small death that brings total obliteration."
I agree with some of what you've said, but the story is not horrible. It falls in line with the diablo saga of games and novels exceptionally well and was an overall good story. If you think otherwise, that's fine, its your opinion, but I can tell you that you're in the minority. 95% of players loved the story, its just the 5% thats extra vocal about hating it.
Also... if you didn't know about the hundreds of hidden stats in Diablo 2, then you never really played Diablo 2. You were just one of the people who walked through normal and killed Diablo and said you beat the game and now you brag that you were hardcore into D2. Diablo 2 has SOOO many hidden stats that were absolutely necessary for high end characters, especially in PvP.
I'm so amazed that you loved the story, I had to make a reply before reading the rest of the thread. You are seriously the first person I've heard who loved the story, let alone didn't laugh/scoff at it. Maybe my extended friend group is all at an age where we expect better (mid-20's), but we all feel the story was complete garbage. Predictable, shallow, and pointless.
Edit: But I don't really care because I didn't play solely for the story. It's just sad with all the talent at Blizz they can't get together to write something half decent :|
Also, to anyone ever bitching about the game, if you've played more than 10 hours then whatever you got more out of it than many major titles out there. For me I like $1/hr ratio, and I've definitely exceeded that and will continue to do so. Don't be mad, if you still want to play just try to help shape it into a better game because yes they did built it for a long lifetime, yet I don't see how the softcore economy will hold together at all.
I agree with some of what you've said, but the story is not horrible. It falls in line with the diablo saga of games and novels exceptionally well and was an overall good story. If you think otherwise, that's fine, its your opinion, but I can tell you that you're in the minority. 95% of players loved the story, its just the 5% thats extra vocal about hating it.
Also... if you didn't know about the hundreds of hidden stats in Diablo 2, then you never really played Diablo 2. You were just one of the people who walked through normal and killed Diablo and said you beat the game and now you brag that you were hardcore into D2. Diablo 2 has SOOO many hidden stats that were absolutely necessary for high end characters, especially in PvP.
I'm so amazed that you loved the story, I had to make a reply before reading the rest of the thread. You are seriously the first person I've heard who loved the story, let alone didn't laugh/scoff at it. Maybe my extended friend group is all at an age where we expect better (mid-20's), but we all feel the story was complete garbage. Predictable, shallow, and pointless.
Edit: But I don't really care because I didn't play solely for the story. It's just sad with all the talent at Blizz they can't get together to write something half decent :|
Also, to anyone ever bitching about the game, if you've played more than 10 hours then whatever you got more out of it than many major titles out there. For me I like $1/hr ratio, and I've definitely exceeded that and will continue to do so. Don't be mad, if you still want to play just try to help shape it into a better game because yes they did built it for a long lifetime, yet I don't see how the softcore economy will hold together at all.
but next time if you wish to express your hate make some valid arguments to support it, other than calling the people who enjoy the game mindless morons, brainwashed by Blizzard into liking their product.
You are making stuff up now, I never said I hated the game. Go check all my posts post launch. The last sentence is the truth and one is not at liberty to lie says the bible I think.
I didn't check IGN so get off your high horse. I normally just check gamespot and metacritic for reviews so thats why I mentioned those. The hate is very valid if it's how a person feels about it.
See how easy was for me to read this thread and think you did in fact hate the game?
It is your truth, perhaps. Coincidentally, it's also pure kaka. And seeing how hating on things seems to be valid as long as you don't lie about it - so is the the very bible you've mentioned.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the small death that brings total obliteration."
Oh dear god, I hope your job doesn't involve too much thinking cause you'd soon be without butter on the bread. READ what it says: "THE HATE ...". If I was referring to myself don't you think I would've wrote: "My hate" for the game is very valid. Writing "the hate" and "a person" implies someone else. My god, learn to communicate at least half decently.
Besides if you actually read my posts you'd see that I have some complaints about the game but still think it is a mediocre game (as much as I hate to admit it) compared to the development time and hype surrounding it before launch.
But you wrote it in direct response to me when I said that the hate is indeed extremely over exaggerated, didn't you? In that context it could have easily been read as your own view, because you don't actually need to write 'my hate' to make it appear so.
I admit I haven't read your other posts before that one, and given the circumstances I can't see how I could have interpreted your post in this thread any differently. Because I also have a lot of issues with Diablo 3, but I haven't been seen writing how brainwashed people are for loving the game as it is right now.
Either way, you are wrong. Hate is not valid if no valid reasons are presented for it's existence. A person has a right to feel that way about basically anything, sure, but that alone doesn't make it valid to the rest of the people around him.
If I say to the whole world that I simply loathe dandelions and bees, and present no logical, sane arguments to support my claim, while running around the streets with yellow flowers in my hair and honey dripping from my lips for days on end, people would just call me batshit crazy and move along with their lives.
The same goes for D3. Yes, we all waited a long time for it, and it arrived pretty unfinished. Yes, the itemization is semi-broken, lack of PvP is very much felt, and the cheap prices on the AH hurt the overall feel of accomplishment when you finally find a great item for yourself. No one denies that. The flaws are very much present and obvious, and will hopefully be taken care of in the near future.
But if you spend dozens or hundreds of hours on a game in it's first month from release (which vast majority of the people have already), how can you call it bad/mediocre and expect not to be exposed to ridicule?
You've already played it longer than most of all those amazing games that you've experienced in your life, ever. That alone makes it great, and proves that both gameplay and replayability, the two most important aspects in gaming, are spot on.
Diablo 3 is a freaking dungeon crawler. I don't know what else people expected from it. There is just so much that you can do with the formula without breaking it, and they clearly improved upon the franchise from the previous installments. It certainly is not a vast, open world MMO, and no, it is not made to be played 24/7 without getting bored. Practically no game in history can claim that kind of immersion.
But if Diablo 3 can indeed be classified as just mediocre, than I don't know what kinds of mind-blowing games you've been playing all these years.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the small death that brings total obliteration."
I wouldn't compare a game that has been out for over 10 years with Diablo 3. Diablo 2 was actually not even that good, but it created an extremely strong emotional binding to people that now love it. And that takes time.
Regarding the story: I enjoyed it. The act 2 story seemed a bit far fetched. The end of Act 3 was in my eyes very surprising. I never expected that to happen. So I enjoyed that part.
Regarding build diversity: Again: don't compare Diablo 3 with a 10 year old game like Diablo 2. After 10 years, Diablo 2 still has absolutely useless skills (Fire Golem, Spirit of Thorns) and skills that are OK but perform way worse than others (Assassin martial arts, Amazon poison skills, ...). When they added synergies between skills they forgot to balance that as well. Diablo 3 on the other hand hasn't even received a major balancing patch and has been out for less than 4 weeks. Regardless, Diablo 3 has more viable builds.
Oh dear god, I hope your job doesn't involve too much thinking cause you'd soon be without butter on the bread. READ what it says: "THE HATE ...". If I was referring to myself don't you think I would've wrote: "My hate" for the game is very valid. Writing "the hate" and "a person" implies someone else. My god, learn to communicate at least half decently.
Besides if you actually read my posts you'd see that I have some complaints about the game but still think it is a mediocre game (as much as I hate to admit it) compared to the development time and hype surrounding it before launch.
But you wrote it in direct response to me when I said that the hate is indeed extremely over exaggerated, didn't you? In that context it could have easily been read as your own view, because you don't actually need to write 'my hate' to make it appear so.
I admit I haven't read your other posts before that one, and given the circumstances I can't see how I could have interpreted your post in this thread any differently. Because I also have a lot of issues with Diablo 3, but I haven't been seen writing how brainwashed people are for loving the game as it is right now.
Either way, you are wrong. Hate is not valid if no valid reasons are presented for it's existence. A person has a right to feel that way about basically anything, sure, but that alone doesn't make it valid to the rest of the people around him.
If I say to the whole world that I simply loathe dandelions and bees, and present no logical, sane arguments to support my claim, while running around the streets with yellow flowers in my hair and honey dripping from my lips for days on end, people would just call me batshit crazy and move along with their lives.
The same goes for D3. Yes, we all waited a long time for it, and it arrived pretty unfinished. Yes, the itemization is semi-broken, lack of PvP is very much felt, and the cheap prices on the AH hurt the overall feel of accomplishment when you finally find a great item for yourself. No one denies that. The flaws are very much present and obvious, and will hopefully be taken care of in the near future.
But if you spend dozens or hundreds of hours on a game in it's first month from release (which vast majority of the people have already), how can you call it bad/mediocre and expect not to be exposed to ridicule?
You've already played it longer than most of all those amazing games that you've experienced in your life, ever. That alone makes it great, and proves that both gameplay and replayability, the two most important aspects in gaming, are spot on.
Diablo 3 is a freaking dungeon crawler. I don't know what else people expected from it. There is just so much that you can do with the formula without breaking it, and they clearly improved upon the franchise from the previous installments. It certainly is not a vast, open world MMO, and no, it is not made to be played 24/7 without getting bored. Practically no game in history can claim that kind of immersion.
But if Diablo 3 can indeed be classified as just mediocre, than I don't know what kinds of mind-blowing games you've been playing all these years.
this guy gets it, anyone who plays d3 for more then 70 hours obviously enjoys it enough and not just "playing to see if it gets better" Playing through normal gives you an idea of how the game is going to be.... do nightmare and you have something to compare the changes to.
LOL build diversity in Diablo 1
LOL PVP balance in Diablo 2
You know nothing, OP.
Excuse me boy? Here we go again, yet another fool who has no clue what he is talking about. Please do entertain me and inform me of how unbalanced D2 PvP was.
Loot is the only issue I have with this game... More interesting loot, and just MORE of it, would make the game perfect. I dont like farming for 10 hours and getting about 1/5th of the gold towards an actually good item, where in D2 if you farmed for 10 hours you would atleast have a few big ticket items that you could trade for items that were amazing for you.
As far as combat, skills, and everything else, D3 is far superior. Except the story, it was kinda wonky, but had some interesting side bits.
EDIT: And finding a way to finally get rid of those bots/spammers... but I think thats pretty much impossible.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
And I could have picked a number of reviews that gave it a perfect 100, proceeding to claim it to be the greatest game in the history of time. Reviews mean nothing, and most of the scores were downgraded due to the major issues with the realms in the first days of the release, not to mention how everyone wanted the game to fail because of the hype and hating on Diablo became very mainstream even before the game was out.
I really don't care how you feel, and you are entitled to your own opinion, but next time if you wish to express your hate make some valid arguments to support it, other than calling the people who enjoy the game mindless morons, brainwashed by Blizzard into liking their product.
If we aren't here to discuss CoD and GW2, why did you even spend all those paragraphs typing about them.
You sir, are an idiot. A complete moron. I can't quite put it any other way.
1) No replayability turned out to be a bad idea... Leveling new characters to try-out new builds was way more fun than what we have now.
2) The amount of viable skills is even lower atm than it was in D2. Those small differents on 1-2 skill and ~1 passive on builds most people use just look the same as Lightning Ama with Valkyre vs Lightning Ama w/o Valk. Not major at all.
And overall skills/classes are way too imbalanced.
And there's coming 3rd fail with nerfing Inferno. They said it's gonna take around 2 months to beat Inferno, now 3 weeks passed and people on HC already in act3 (that means w/o bug/death exploits which let softcore people kill Inferno Diablo in 1 week or smth). I mean the pace is kinda ok now. May be it should be even harder, though it would've been - w/o shitty Treasure Goblins and Azmodan/ZK/etc powerleveling. Now you really have to farm some rare gear to progress through acts 2-4 and give some thought on build and stats on gear. But after nerf there probably won't be any "end-game" at all.
PS On a side note all complainers should try HC if they haven't yet. Lots of problems you guys complain about simly don't exist on HC so far. For example - GAH. There are no hundreds of Stormshields,etc. It's still hard to find decent gear, and much harder for decent prices. And you still can make some good gold with finding mediocre rare/legendary.
This is very much true. Softcore becomes very boring when you try HC and see how good and exciting this game can actually be.
Zerging packs and dying dozens of times in the process is just not good gameplay. The punishment for dying is extremely low and Blizzard is obviously very aware of that.
Also, itemization in it's current state needs a lot of work. Obsolete legendaries are in my opinion one of their biggest mistakes so far. No matter how much they don't want the focus to be on them, legendary items should always be much, much better than magic items of the same-ish level, which right now is just not the case.
Another big problem is people becoming disenchanted way too fast because they don't need to grind items 'til Inferno. You just buy them cheaply on the AH, and that takes away from the fun of looting it yourself, while also killing the prospect of grinding. Then you reach Inferno and the prices for good items go astronomically high, but at the same time you aren't getting much (any) good loot while farming the first act. And then Act 2 destroys your hopes from the start, especially if you play melee.
Everyone switches to the same tanky build and just hopes to progress with as little deaths as possible. All those spells and runes become obsolete and are almost never used again, which is a shame. Hopefully the next big patches are gonna be fixing a lot of this things, because there should be many more viable builds for end game content.
By the first glimpses they provided us, it seems Blizzard is listening to the constructive criticism and is rapidly improving upon the game, and that gives me faith that Diablo 3 will vastly improve over the next few months. Hopefully they won't prove me wrong.
I'm so amazed that you loved the story, I had to make a reply before reading the rest of the thread. You are seriously the first person I've heard who loved the story, let alone didn't laugh/scoff at it. Maybe my extended friend group is all at an age where we expect better (mid-20's), but we all feel the story was complete garbage. Predictable, shallow, and pointless.
Edit: But I don't really care because I didn't play solely for the story. It's just sad with all the talent at Blizz they can't get together to write something half decent :|
Also, to anyone ever bitching about the game, if you've played more than 10 hours then whatever you got more out of it than many major titles out there. For me I like $1/hr ratio, and I've definitely exceeded that and will continue to do so. Don't be mad, if you still want to play just try to help shape it into a better game because yes they did built it for a long lifetime, yet I don't see how the softcore economy will hold together at all.
I also enjoyed the story.
See how easy was for me to read this thread and think you did in fact hate the game?
It is your truth, perhaps. Coincidentally, it's also pure kaka. And seeing how hating on things seems to be valid as long as you don't lie about it - so is the the very bible you've mentioned.
But you wrote it in direct response to me when I said that the hate is indeed extremely over exaggerated, didn't you? In that context it could have easily been read as your own view, because you don't actually need to write 'my hate' to make it appear so.
I admit I haven't read your other posts before that one, and given the circumstances I can't see how I could have interpreted your post in this thread any differently. Because I also have a lot of issues with Diablo 3, but I haven't been seen writing how brainwashed people are for loving the game as it is right now.
Either way, you are wrong. Hate is not valid if no valid reasons are presented for it's existence. A person has a right to feel that way about basically anything, sure, but that alone doesn't make it valid to the rest of the people around him.
If I say to the whole world that I simply loathe dandelions and bees, and present no logical, sane arguments to support my claim, while running around the streets with yellow flowers in my hair and honey dripping from my lips for days on end, people would just call me batshit crazy and move along with their lives.
The same goes for D3. Yes, we all waited a long time for it, and it arrived pretty unfinished. Yes, the itemization is semi-broken, lack of PvP is very much felt, and the cheap prices on the AH hurt the overall feel of accomplishment when you finally find a great item for yourself. No one denies that. The flaws are very much present and obvious, and will hopefully be taken care of in the near future.
But if you spend dozens or hundreds of hours on a game in it's first month from release (which vast majority of the people have already), how can you call it bad/mediocre and expect not to be exposed to ridicule?
You've already played it longer than most of all those amazing games that you've experienced in your life, ever. That alone makes it great, and proves that both gameplay and replayability, the two most important aspects in gaming, are spot on.
Diablo 3 is a freaking dungeon crawler. I don't know what else people expected from it. There is just so much that you can do with the formula without breaking it, and they clearly improved upon the franchise from the previous installments. It certainly is not a vast, open world MMO, and no, it is not made to be played 24/7 without getting bored. Practically no game in history can claim that kind of immersion.
But if Diablo 3 can indeed be classified as just mediocre, than I don't know what kinds of mind-blowing games you've been playing all these years.
Cause i sure ain't mad because of the reasons you listed.
Regarding the story: I enjoyed it. The act 2 story seemed a bit far fetched. The end of Act 3 was in my eyes very surprising. I never expected that to happen. So I enjoyed that part.
Regarding build diversity: Again: don't compare Diablo 3 with a 10 year old game like Diablo 2. After 10 years, Diablo 2 still has absolutely useless skills (Fire Golem, Spirit of Thorns) and skills that are OK but perform way worse than others (Assassin martial arts, Amazon poison skills, ...). When they added synergies between skills they forgot to balance that as well. Diablo 3 on the other hand hasn't even received a major balancing patch and has been out for less than 4 weeks. Regardless, Diablo 3 has more viable builds.
Those are pretty good scores, you know?
Well it's simple really, Gold seller either buys or hacks an account then spams on it.
As far as combat, skills, and everything else, D3 is far superior. Except the story, it was kinda wonky, but had some interesting side bits.
EDIT: And finding a way to finally get rid of those bots/spammers... but I think thats pretty much impossible.