Datamined info is up on the front page and there's no mention of anything related to Archon or CMWW builds. Not even mention of mob kills from group working with Archon timer.
Yea, disappointing, but that's only the first iteration of the PTR, hell knows what else is going to change in the next couple of months of the PTR lol.
Increased damage of arcane orb... how's that's going to help anyone?
Out of curiosity, with blizzard damage, say it does 200% over 5 seconds, equipping an item that increases blizzard duration by 3 seconds - what happens to the blizzard damage? 200% over 8 seconds? Or does it increase at the rate of 200/5=40%?
Blizzard said they are buffing wizards in 1.0.7 as well, might want to wait a bit for more info on that. From what they said in the preview - it's rubbish, if they do add other things i might want to come back to wizard as well.
This is why i still respect Blizzard - they are the only game creator out there that actively listens to the community and actually makes improvements, albeit not the fastest and not everything at once, but they do.
The actual D2 players:
The gamers from that era are no longer 18 or 19 years old, we're more like late 20s even 30s - we know how the world works, we've lived with absolute rubbish games back in the day and we appreciate the up and downsides of D3. We also know that Blizzard generally still provides the best quality and content when compared to any other game developer out there.
I think to this layer of gamers the game is ok. It's not brilliant yet, but it's definitely not something to cry about every day before sleep. 40-50 bucks is not something to cry about either, hell - beer for one night could cost way more than that. D3 is a potentially fantastic platform, give it some time and it will possibly develop into superb game, just like D2 did with LOD release - because lets face it original D2 was pretty damn boring.
The i played D2 gamers:
Yep they are early 20s or even below that, yet somehow despite the simplest calculus they played D2 for many years, even the original... These guys want INSTANT GRATIFICATION. They want to whine and cry and demand things - because lets face it - the modern society rewards whining and crying and demanding - that's the only thing they know and that's the only thing they will ever do.
They are the one and only mistake Blizzard ever made - listening to QQQQqqqQQQqqqQQqqqQQQ. Back in the day Blizzard never did bother with as much 'community management' or even really reading forums. They just released content and it was a simple decision - play it if you like, if you don't - there are many other games to choose from.
Today, because of all these QQs Blizzard actually made a step forward towards community and started working with the community (unlike any other game developer out there), and the only result of them trying to 'satisfy' the 'instant gratification generation' is the incessantly increasing amount of QQ. Because now...the QQers feel empowered! Blizzard did react to them a few times and that was their biggest mistake.
Hence there will always be 2 sides to this argument, and this argument is not based on the game itself, it is rather based on the perception of the world in general and the gap between generations. There will never be any agreement about it or any solution. If 'instant gratification' is not achieved = it's shit. End of story. Screw waiting, screw everything. I paid 40 bucks i want it NOW. While the rest of us are thinking 'wdf have we done to our younger generation? Should've sent them out to work at the age of 16 like we did instead'
This is the biggest self-gratification post I've ever seen. You generalize people by age groups, which proves you don't have the tiniest of an idea of 'how the world works' because if you would then you would know age is not a factor in personality, nor is it in maturity. If you want to make yourself feel better because you're older and therefore 'a superior gamer' than go right ahead, but don't expect people to buy that load of shit you're trying to peddle.
I can't believe somebody out of High School could even come up with such a theory, haven't you learned you're not a unique snowflake anymore?
Regardless, given communication or not from the devs you will always have the people who complain and those who do not... and before forums there were STILL people who complained and those who did not - because that is how we operate as a fucking consumer. So it has absolutely nothing to do with 'instant gratification' nor does it have to do with the dev's communicating with us, because none of it will shape our opinions more than the game itself already is, and will always.
Exactly the reason why Einstein said that quote in my sig.
@TheDemoKin
Don't you think you're being a bit immature by making such sweeping generalizations? I may be 20, not late twenties, but that doesn't mean that I sit and whine about the game (I enjoy it!) or that my opinion is less valid. I've been around since beta and all-in-all, I'd say D3 is a pretty solid game. There are issues, some of them big ones, but D3 has gameplay that just can't be beat, and I think Blizz will come through in the end.
The actual D2 players:
The gamers from that era are no longer 18 or 19 years old, we're more like late 20s even 30s - we know how the world works, we've lived with absolute rubbish games back in the day and we appreciate the up and downsides of D3. We also know that Blizzard generally still provides the best quality and content when compared to any other game developer out there.
I think to this layer of gamers the game is ok. It's not brilliant yet, but it's definitely not something to cry about every day before sleep. 40-50 bucks is not something to cry about either, hell - beer for one night could cost way more than that. D3 is a potentially fantastic platform, give it some time and it will possibly develop into superb game, just like D2 did with LOD release - because lets face it original D2 was pretty damn boring.
The i played D2 gamers:
Yep they are early 20s or even below that, yet somehow despite the simplest calculus they played D2 for many years, even the original... These guys want INSTANT GRATIFICATION. They want to whine and cry and demand things - because lets face it - the modern society rewards whining and crying and demanding - that's the only thing they know and that's the only thing they will ever do.
They are the one and only mistake Blizzard ever made - listening to QQQQqqqQQQqqqQQqqqQQQ. Back in the day Blizzard never did bother with as much 'community management' or even really reading forums. They just released content and it was a simple decision - play it if you like, if you don't - there are many other games to choose from.
Today, because of all these QQs Blizzard actually made a step forward towards community and started working with the community (unlike any other game developer out there), and the only result of them trying to 'satisfy' the 'instant gratification generation' is the incessantly increasing amount of QQ. Because now...the QQers feel empowered! Blizzard did react to them a few times and that was their biggest mistake.
Hence there will always be 2 sides to this argument, and this argument is not based on the game itself, it is rather based on the perception of the world in general and the gap between generations. There will never be any agreement about it or any solution. If 'instant gratification' is not achieved = it's shit. End of story. Screw waiting, screw everything. I paid 40 bucks i want it NOW. While the rest of us are thinking 'wdf have we done to our younger generation? Should've sent them out to work at the age of 16 like we did instead'
HotA is superior DPS to WW by a country mile, that said, the gear requirements to make it efficient also differ by a country mile, you need more APS and more CC than you would to sustain the WW build.
The biggest issue for HC with HotA build is that you have to stand still to deliver your DPS = you will end up getting hit by fires, pools of goo, frozen blah blah, not only that but WW build you are out-ranging mobs most of the time as you DPS = they cannot hit you, while with HotA build = face mauling on you 100% of the time.
WW build is definitely superior for HC - as you mentioned yourself - there's a lot more at stake and you really don't want to stand in stuff and taking hits.
I think for WW barb, Life Steal becomes really effective at very high DPS levels. Something like 300k+. I've never reached that myself, so I'm not sure, but I always had more success with LoH. On high MP I think you will need both.
you dont even have to go that far, 200kdps + should be more than enough for you to want to switch over to leech.
im just about at 400k dps fully buffed and at that point i dont see how loh would even get close
Yes, at certain point LL is just superior to LoH, but I myself am only at about 120-130k DPS. At this point LoH is still reasonably powerful. The question is where is that breakpoint, at that would be quite hard to calculate.
Because you need to take into account your all res, armor, health (not that important), dodge, attack speed (LoH scales with ap), monster damage (which varies mob to mob, MP to MP), life per sec regen, reflect damage affix and maybe a few more things i can't just recall right now. And thas a lot variables.
But I agree, generally speaking LL becomes superior to LoH the more DPS you have. LoH scales with attack speed, but it's easier to double your damage then double your APS. Also LoH 'suffers' from skills coefficients. Before the tornado nerf, LoH was actually so ridiculously OP that nobody even cared to consider LL. Right now it's more balanced.
And actually, life per second could be the most efficient way to sustain health, as you dont rely on hitting somrthing to regain health. However, the amount of HPS needed, even when maxed, is not comparable to either LoH or LL. It might be useful in PvP though, especially when combined with high defense. I'd like to see two high EHP/life regen barbs in one combat. Clash of the Immortals.
Guys please - you are forgetting the most important reason for LoH or LS - it's not to heal yourself it's to balance. The balance is between the damage intake vs healing. Your EHP comes in between the two sides of the scale as the pivot point. The lower the EHP the more LS / LoH you need.
Because of having effectively 3 variables in the equation - the EHP, the healing and the damage intake - it's quite impossible to calculate the precise point at which LS is better than LOH. Just think of it as the 2 extreme scenarios:
Barb with 3k armor and 300 AR
Barb with 10k armor and 1k AR
You have to weight both of these scenarios as well as a multitude of any other EHP as well as APS and DPS, only then you can truly point to where on the curve the LS becomes better than LoH.
It's exactly because of that you cannot say that 2k LOH is better than 3% LS at 100k DPS... if you have 10k armor and 1k AR 3% LS is going to be more than sufficient to keep you up...
Life per second is out of the question unless your EHP is extremely high, as in the 10k armor and 1k AR, then i can envision anyone living thru higher MPs with life per second, even then it would be pretty tough. On MP10, Maghda for example, hits like a truck even with very solid EHP around 7k armor and 600AR - her hits could easily bring you down by 15-20k life, with LS or high amounts of LoH & high APS you could heal yourself back to full in about 2-3 seconds, to do so with life per second you'll need an obscene amount of 20k / 3 seconds = 6.6666k life per second, which i don't think is obtainable by any standards.
So any time you talk or think about LS or LoH or any other healing think about balancing scale of damage intake vs healing with the pivot being the EHP.
Honestly - your stats are definitely sufficient to play MP6-7, i have no idea why you die, unless you're standing in fire. etc. How about you do a little recording and let us see - because stat wise - you're not miles and miles away, so it's the way you play...
So if i play a main, 2 months later create an alt and my alt is on a different server from which i cannot share / use items that i farmed with my main? WDF?!
As dextriade said: smaller numbers in a market = more monopoly / oligopoly or any other market control which will lead to certain servers having high end weapons going for trillions of gold while on other for a few 100k.
Btw guys, if you are playing CM and using a razer mouse - make a macro assigned to one of the mouse buttons to spam 1,2,3 for you. I have been using this for months, no bans of any sort. This is also a part of the razer official mouse driver and all it does is emulates the button clicks, which basically means - there's nothing to detect to begin with.
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Yea, disappointing, but that's only the first iteration of the PTR, hell knows what else is going to change in the next couple of months of the PTR lol.
Increased damage of arcane orb... how's that's going to help anyone?
Out of curiosity, with blizzard damage, say it does 200% over 5 seconds, equipping an item that increases blizzard duration by 3 seconds - what happens to the blizzard damage? 200% over 8 seconds? Or does it increase at the rate of 200/5=40%?
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Exactly the reason why Einstein said that quote in my sig.
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There are outlying instances in every statistic
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Reading comprehension = 0.
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The actual D2 players:
The gamers from that era are no longer 18 or 19 years old, we're more like late 20s even 30s - we know how the world works, we've lived with absolute rubbish games back in the day and we appreciate the up and downsides of D3. We also know that Blizzard generally still provides the best quality and content when compared to any other game developer out there.
I think to this layer of gamers the game is ok. It's not brilliant yet, but it's definitely not something to cry about every day before sleep. 40-50 bucks is not something to cry about either, hell - beer for one night could cost way more than that. D3 is a potentially fantastic platform, give it some time and it will possibly develop into superb game, just like D2 did with LOD release - because lets face it original D2 was pretty damn boring.
The i played D2 gamers:
Yep they are early 20s or even below that, yet somehow despite the simplest calculus they played D2 for many years, even the original... These guys want INSTANT GRATIFICATION. They want to whine and cry and demand things - because lets face it - the modern society rewards whining and crying and demanding - that's the only thing they know and that's the only thing they will ever do.
They are the one and only mistake Blizzard ever made - listening to QQQQqqqQQQqqqQQqqqQQQ. Back in the day Blizzard never did bother with as much 'community management' or even really reading forums. They just released content and it was a simple decision - play it if you like, if you don't - there are many other games to choose from.
Today, because of all these QQs Blizzard actually made a step forward towards community and started working with the community (unlike any other game developer out there), and the only result of them trying to 'satisfy' the 'instant gratification generation' is the incessantly increasing amount of QQ. Because now...the QQers feel empowered! Blizzard did react to them a few times and that was their biggest mistake.
Hence there will always be 2 sides to this argument, and this argument is not based on the game itself, it is rather based on the perception of the world in general and the gap between generations. There will never be any agreement about it or any solution. If 'instant gratification' is not achieved = it's shit. End of story. Screw waiting, screw everything. I paid 40 bucks i want it NOW. While the rest of us are thinking 'wdf have we done to our younger generation? Should've sent them out to work at the age of 16 like we did instead'
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The biggest issue for HC with HotA build is that you have to stand still to deliver your DPS = you will end up getting hit by fires, pools of goo, frozen blah blah, not only that but WW build you are out-ranging mobs most of the time as you DPS = they cannot hit you, while with HotA build = face mauling on you 100% of the time.
WW build is definitely superior for HC - as you mentioned yourself - there's a lot more at stake and you really don't want to stand in stuff and taking hits.
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Guys please - you are forgetting the most important reason for LoH or LS - it's not to heal yourself it's to balance. The balance is between the damage intake vs healing. Your EHP comes in between the two sides of the scale as the pivot point. The lower the EHP the more LS / LoH you need.
Because of having effectively 3 variables in the equation - the EHP, the healing and the damage intake - it's quite impossible to calculate the precise point at which LS is better than LOH. Just think of it as the 2 extreme scenarios:
- Barb with 3k armor and 300 AR
- Barb with 10k armor and 1k AR
You have to weight both of these scenarios as well as a multitude of any other EHP as well as APS and DPS, only then you can truly point to where on the curve the LS becomes better than LoH.It's exactly because of that you cannot say that 2k LOH is better than 3% LS at 100k DPS... if you have 10k armor and 1k AR 3% LS is going to be more than sufficient to keep you up...
Life per second is out of the question unless your EHP is extremely high, as in the 10k armor and 1k AR, then i can envision anyone living thru higher MPs with life per second, even then it would be pretty tough. On MP10, Maghda for example, hits like a truck even with very solid EHP around 7k armor and 600AR - her hits could easily bring you down by 15-20k life, with LS or high amounts of LoH & high APS you could heal yourself back to full in about 2-3 seconds, to do so with life per second you'll need an obscene amount of 20k / 3 seconds = 6.6666k life per second, which i don't think is obtainable by any standards.
So any time you talk or think about LS or LoH or any other healing think about balancing scale of damage intake vs healing with the pivot being the EHP.
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LOOK AT THE GOLD COST GRAPH
set it to show the cost from 1-Dec-2012 to today, you will right away see that the entire 'gold going up in price' statement is absolute rubbish.
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LOOK AT THE GRAPH OF THE GOLD COST
Now select the time frame from 1 Dec 2012 to today... and AFTER you've done that please ask that question at the start of the thread again
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As dextriade said: smaller numbers in a market = more monopoly / oligopoly or any other market control which will lead to certain servers having high end weapons going for trillions of gold while on other for a few 100k.
Terrible idea in every sense of it
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