Heh, sorry, I'm the one getting confused here. I swear I saw a post with the link just above my post. But then I see you posted it earlier too. Hum. My bad, most likely.
If this was going to alienate any notable portion of the player base Blizzard wouldn't be doing it
Removing SP and suddenly deeming modding of any kinda prohibited and against ToS after earlier saying mods would be ok but limited to single player and not official supported is alienating multiple fanbases.
LAN players,
Offline single players,
Modding Community
Players who want freedom of choice and and options on how they choose to play or enjoy the game they legally purchased.
So you're saying none of those communities within the fanbase; even if they are a minority are affected or alienated by Blizzard's strictly controlled; must play online, must use battle.net, mods are now illegal, players must bow before us, policy?
Naw of course not, how could anyone possibly feel alienated by such minor things. Blizzard doesn't care about alienation so long as they can make an extra few bucks off the mainstream audience.
Most people aren't going to be doing trade for trade or trade for gold if they know they can sell an item and get money for it. If someone finds an item that they KNOW they can sell for $100 or something more are you seriously going to say they will do a item trade or sell it for gold. No friggin way. I know if I found something like that I would definitely contemplate selling for cash. And if there is anyone who says they wouldn't they are the biggest bullshit liars.
Or you can always sell the gold too, you know. At a later date, when you've stockpiled it more, when it's convenient, etc. There's no way gold will not be a major force in the economy, when it converts to cash and vice versa. If people would rather spend that amassed gold on in-game items than their own paypal accounts, not much stopping them, even the RMT types will be dealing heavily in gold and be quite happy to supply them.
I don't get it, First whats the big deal with being online only, you can still play alone create a damn private game and who doesn't have internet? Second LAN is obsolete(IMO) Third Modding has always been against policies? except in wow.
I don't get it, First whats the big deal with being online only, you can still play alone create a damn private game and who doesn't have internet? Second LAN is obsolete(IMO) Third Modding has always been against policies? except in wow.
So what your saying is no LAN tournaments, because it's "obsolete"?
And you are fine with people who don't have internet for whatever reason not being allowed to play?
As for Modding, Eastern Sun and other mods have always been allowed.
But alienating the LAN community, the single player community, and the modding community, among others, is perfectly reasonable, because it makes more money for Activision-Blizzard.
Notice I keep saying Activision-Blizzard. I don't want any blame to go back to Blizzard North/Condor/Runic Games.
Another hostile nerd dumbass complaining about the changes. We all know you're going to buy the game and play it forever like we all will. And what the hell is Square-enix? That definitely sounds comparable to a blizzard game.
Another hostile nerd dumbass complaining about the changes. We all know you're going to buy the game and play it forever like we all will. And what the hell is Square-enix? That definitely sounds comparable to a blizzard game.
Square-Enix made Diablo: Hellfire. It was the first of two non-Blizzard North/Condor Diablo game. (What was the second? That's right! Diablo 3!)
I am so pissed off by the original poster...
But pouring my emotions and arguments about what a MMO is on page 4 does not really do anything, so I'll just give a somewhat related fact.
I live in Russia, in Siberia, in the city of Tomsk. It is a 500 thousand city famous for its universities. There are a lot of poor students here. I pay 500 roubles (~18 USD) a month for 2Mbps of out-of-city traffic, 100Mbps in-city, and cable TV. There are offers like 512kbps for $5/month.
I am a programmer, I earn almost a $1000. This is a good salary here. An uneducated shop assistant can make $200-500.
My point is, for some people $5 out of 200 is a nice price for Internet access. Much more affordable than a $60 game. Stop complaining.
The route of my pissed-offery doesn't stem from offline play being removed alone. It's Blizzard's additude and mentality toward this game and it's community and their obssession with making money and preventing piracy while hiding under the guise of convenience. They are stripping away players rights and options for how we choose to play or enjoy a game we're paying for. They are applying the same strict control methods seen only in pay to play or cash shop mmorpgs; yet the game isn't. They are forcing everyone to play on the servers they strictly control... Preventing offline play, banning modding, preventing lan and a real cash auction house are disgusting.
As for mods. Hellfire for Diablo 1 was a fanbased mod; there are countless mods for Diablo 2... Blizzard stated early on mods would not be supported for Diablo 3 but if players wanted to make mods "power to them" it was still ok. Now this has had a dramatic reverse where mods are now against policy and terms of service.
The thing about offline mode, mods would have been limited to offline mode. You could still create singleplayer offline mods; with the removal of offline mode this will become impossible since battle.net is the only way you can play the game. Because anyone not playing on battle.net means potentially less revenue for Blizzard through the auction house.
And no I won't by this game. I'll stick with Torchlight 2 until private servers start popping up for Diablo 3; but I will no longer support or respect Blizzard as they have chosen not to support or respect their fan-base time and time again.
Square-Enix was a large video game company responsible for some of the most popular games ever created; but they became too complacent and arrogant while turning their backs on their fans and have gone into a spiraling downfall because of it.
And quit being another hostile dumb ass nerd defending these changes. It only empowers Blizzard to continue to screw over the community. It amuses me how some people defend Blizzard like it's a religion.
Another hostile nerd dumbass complaining about the changes. We all know you're going to buy the game and play it forever like we all will. And what the hell is Square-enix? That definitely sounds comparable to a blizzard game.
Square-Enix made Diablo: Hellfire. It was the first of two non-Blizzard North/Condor Diablo game. (What was the second? That's right! Diablo 3!)
It's still nothing like an MMORPG. MM meaning massive multiplayer, which if you consider the very small amount you will have per lobby to be massive, then I guess? Also, I can't think of any MMORPG out there that allows players to sell for real cash. In every other game, its the company whose selling gear for profit.
Im not here to debate anything at this piont but, i have a game.
feel free to reserch it and pick it apart.
The game * APB, or All pionts Bulliton"
2 AH systems in place.Real money/credits bought from real money and the traditional ingame gold. free to play. but a sub to use the combat zones, so town and AHing was free..but to lvl you subscribe and head out and play.
Now i said im not here to debate i just wanted to bring it to light its been done,
In saying that last i heard APB crashed and burned 2 months in(if some one has time to check this from em and reply thank you)
I played it, i avoided the real money AH like a plauge, and it left me at no disadvantages. I enjoyed the game and i cant really remember why i quit, somthing along the lines of, The Australian gov. deems its self worthy to decide what games i can and can not play like i am a fucking child, at 25 i think i can choose if id like to buy and play a 18+ game, but Good old politics rapes me of the choice....
Wait sorry /rant thats a deep subject iv battled with in other forums.
This post was to bring light to the fact New things in new games can work very well or burn the game, and anything inbetween
Any way APB has both AH systems some one do some digging and find out how it went for them..im at work so i cant do much lol..
Enjoy hope this helps with some insight on both systems
EDIT: sorry both AH systems are controled by the players for the players driven and owned by player needs and wants..
i already stated my point in another post but since there is alot of them ill reply here too
i often use my portable in spot that there is not internet. Camping, in hospital, in my pause from work, at my aunt house etc. All these place dont have an internet access point. We wont go on the subject "but when you go do camping , do camping instead of gaming!" i know about camping , i go there for a month long, there is rainy day/night or night that poeple dont regroup and go to bed early. So for me an offline mode is a must. I dont care playing with others, i play for myself.I do like my friends to play with me , its great and have great memories of D2 with them but the arguments against an offline mode is really weak. LAN would be a really nice addition too. They removed it from starcraft and it really sucked. I played so long SC1 but SC2 died really quick.
About the mods, i never used them in D1 or D2 so i cant say. The only thing i can say is, i was able to live, play , mule, trade without them.
AH gold/cash. I wont use them. Like i said in other post, i feel like it will break any accomplishement. Ill give an exemple. A barbarian come in front of me with an immortal king set (exemple). "look at my armor! its godly". Should i be impressed? no! he bought it? no he didnt? prove it! The only thing that will do is make more player lose countless hours trying to buy cheap stuff and resell it to try make money and reduce the number of (lets call them like that atm) baal run you need to do to get youre gear. How was i excited when my last piece of trang-oul dropped for me, it was an accomplishement and when i was joining other game, people were always amazed at my form. There wont be people amazed by youre gears in diablo 3, because you buy them. Im really against the real cash AH, even understanding the pro and con and im against the regular gold one too but hey , some people like it , its my opinion.
Anyway, diablo 3 will be a nice game, ill have to play it at home being restricted to online only , make a private game with a password and play without using the AH to keep being proud of what i do. It seem even hardcore character will be a bitter victory at 60. "Oh i got this toon that is HC" reply "ah , it was easy ,you bought some good gear at higher level to help you in hell, made it more easy".
People will say i exagerate right now, when you will do that in game and youll get someone bitter who tell you this, youll remember this comment
It's Blizzard's additude and mentality toward this game and it's community and their obssession with making money and preventing piracy while hiding under the guise of convenience.
So now you are blaming the company for trying to make money
They are stripping away players rights and options for how we choose to play or enjoy a game we're paying for.
The game we are paying for comes with a license. We are paying for a service that comes as is. You heard of a Formula 1 car that you can buy? You pay for it, and you get a car, a truck, a team of technicians and a coach. But the car is not street legal, so when you want to race, you call them, and they bring your car to a racing track. You ride, then they pack it up and haul it back to wherever they store it. What should you do if you want to drive it on the street? You go buy another, because this one comes with rules. Same with Diablo III.
I'll stick with Torchlight 2 until private servers start popping up for Diablo 3; but I will no longer support or respect Blizzard as they have chosen not to support or respect their fan-base time and time again.
You, my friend, are a pitiful pirate. I played pirated games myself for a long time, but I did this simply because I had no money and wanted to play, so I used stolen games. Then I grew up and started making money. And I pay for games I respect, while still pirating games I respect less (or that lose less when pirated). I do not whine that those bastards do not write games as my majesty desires, hiding my pirate nature behind "respect for fan-base".
Do not worry though, Diablo III will be cracked, and you will have you private servers and stuff. And I will be happy on Battle.net.
Square-Enix was a large video game company responsible for some of the most popular games ever created; but they became too complacent and arrogant while turning their backs on their fans and have gone into a spiraling downfall because of it.
Wow. Now Square-Enix is evil too. Looks like Runic games will eventually turn their back on you and ruin your whole life too... How scary life is.
I am wondering at what phase in it's development did Diablo 3 turn into another WoW engine? It seemed to happen so gradually and subtly that no one noticed it... Blizzard should have just called this Diablo Online from the beginning or World of Diablo...
No offline mode at all anymore?
Modding now bannable, prohibited and against Terms of Service?
A real cash auction house?
Torchlight 2 keeps looking better and better. My support and respect for Blizzard seems to diminish with every announcement. Arrogance and complacency while stepping on and alienating minority fan-bases within your community never has a good end result... Just look at where Square-Enix is today; how the mighty have fallen.
It's not an MMO. MMO's imply a few things:
1) Persistent - Diablo 3 is the absolute opposite of a persistent world. When you log in you're treated with a fresh world every time.
2) Massively Multiplayer - Diablo 3 limits coop multiplayer to 4 and competetive to eithe 3v3 or 4v4. Massive implies hundreds of players in the same world as you, at least dozens at the low end.
There is offline single player, calm down about it
Also, Idk when WoW got a real cash auction house, yeah, they both have auction houses, but itll probably work out well anyways, stop complaining about it. The auction house in general will probably help us anyways. For me, it was really hard to make a trade game in d2 to find the item I needed because the chances of someone having that rare item I needed (deaths web) and joining my trade game was really low. With the auction house system, it may be easier to get what I need, and who knows, maybe if I find something nice, I can sell it for real money and wont have to spend an actual dime on gear.
The modding, Im not too sad about, I did try out Eastern Sun, but I couldn't get into it, but well, to all his own.
Good lord people! Why are so many of you so opposed to change? You know, in an evolutionary sense, you would be the ones to die off first because you can't adapt to dynamic environments. ALSO, D3 isn't a MMORPG, and if you think it is, you clearly don't understand the definition thereof.
Thank you!
You know, the more the information came out, the more I realized that this is the true evolution of the Diablo series. This is a step in the right direction, and I'm loving it all the way.
I'm curious though, were people also freaking out this much when Blizzard announced back in the day that D2 will be using skill trees and not spell books. I would say definitely.
And people referring to this as an MMORPG is laughable. I mean, it's running on four player 'instancing' and has small arena style PvP. Where exactly is the MMO part in all of this. Just because it's online doesn't mean it's an MMO.
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Removing SP and suddenly deeming modding of any kinda prohibited and against ToS after earlier saying mods would be ok but limited to single player and not official supported is alienating multiple fanbases.
LAN players,
Offline single players,
Modding Community
Players who want freedom of choice and and options on how they choose to play or enjoy the game they legally purchased.
So you're saying none of those communities within the fanbase; even if they are a minority are affected or alienated by Blizzard's strictly controlled; must play online, must use battle.net, mods are now illegal, players must bow before us, policy?
Naw of course not, how could anyone possibly feel alienated by such minor things. Blizzard doesn't care about alienation so long as they can make an extra few bucks off the mainstream audience.
Or you can always sell the gold too, you know. At a later date, when you've stockpiled it more, when it's convenient, etc. There's no way gold will not be a major force in the economy, when it converts to cash and vice versa. If people would rather spend that amassed gold on in-game items than their own paypal accounts, not much stopping them, even the RMT types will be dealing heavily in gold and be quite happy to supply them.
So what your saying is no LAN tournaments, because it's "obsolete"?
And you are fine with people who don't have internet for whatever reason not being allowed to play?
As for Modding, Eastern Sun and other mods have always been allowed.
But alienating the LAN community, the single player community, and the modding community, among others, is perfectly reasonable, because it makes more money for Activision-Blizzard.
Notice I keep saying Activision-Blizzard. I don't want any blame to go back to Blizzard North/Condor/Runic Games.
Square-Enix made Diablo: Hellfire. It was the first of two non-Blizzard North/Condor Diablo game. (What was the second? That's right! Diablo 3!)
Well, back then it was just Square. *Shrug*
But pouring my emotions and arguments about what a MMO is on page 4 does not really do anything, so I'll just give a somewhat related fact.
I live in Russia, in Siberia, in the city of Tomsk. It is a 500 thousand city famous for its universities. There are a lot of poor students here. I pay 500 roubles (~18 USD) a month for 2Mbps of out-of-city traffic, 100Mbps in-city, and cable TV. There are offers like 512kbps for $5/month.
I am a programmer, I earn almost a $1000. This is a good salary here. An uneducated shop assistant can make $200-500.
My point is, for some people $5 out of 200 is a nice price for Internet access. Much more affordable than a $60 game. Stop complaining.
As for mods. Hellfire for Diablo 1 was a fanbased mod; there are countless mods for Diablo 2... Blizzard stated early on mods would not be supported for Diablo 3 but if players wanted to make mods "power to them" it was still ok. Now this has had a dramatic reverse where mods are now against policy and terms of service.
The thing about offline mode, mods would have been limited to offline mode. You could still create singleplayer offline mods; with the removal of offline mode this will become impossible since battle.net is the only way you can play the game. Because anyone not playing on battle.net means potentially less revenue for Blizzard through the auction house.
And no I won't by this game. I'll stick with Torchlight 2 until private servers start popping up for Diablo 3; but I will no longer support or respect Blizzard as they have chosen not to support or respect their fan-base time and time again.
Square-Enix was a large video game company responsible for some of the most popular games ever created; but they became too complacent and arrogant while turning their backs on their fans and have gone into a spiraling downfall because of it.
And quit being another hostile dumb ass nerd defending these changes. It only empowers Blizzard to continue to screw over the community. It amuses me how some people defend Blizzard like it's a religion.
Torchlight is an awesome game ... to hold you over for Diablo 3
Sierra made Diablo: Hellfire
Im not here to debate anything at this piont but, i have a game.
feel free to reserch it and pick it apart.
The game * APB, or All pionts Bulliton"
2 AH systems in place.Real money/credits bought from real money and the traditional ingame gold. free to play. but a sub to use the combat zones, so town and AHing was free..but to lvl you subscribe and head out and play.
Now i said im not here to debate i just wanted to bring it to light its been done,
In saying that last i heard APB crashed and burned 2 months in(if some one has time to check this from em and reply thank you)
I played it, i avoided the real money AH like a plauge, and it left me at no disadvantages. I enjoyed the game and i cant really remember why i quit, somthing along the lines of, The Australian gov. deems its self worthy to decide what games i can and can not play like i am a fucking child, at 25 i think i can choose if id like to buy and play a 18+ game, but Good old politics rapes me of the choice....
Wait sorry /rant thats a deep subject iv battled with in other forums.
This post was to bring light to the fact New things in new games can work very well or burn the game, and anything inbetween
Any way APB has both AH systems some one do some digging and find out how it went for them..im at work so i cant do much lol..
Enjoy hope this helps with some insight on both systems
EDIT: sorry both AH systems are controled by the players for the players driven and owned by player needs and wants..
I stand corrected. Facts at 3 in the morning is not my specialty.
No, no it's not.
Diablo Hellfire on Diablo Wiki
Diablo Hellfire on Wikipedia
i often use my portable in spot that there is not internet. Camping, in hospital, in my pause from work, at my aunt house etc. All these place dont have an internet access point. We wont go on the subject "but when you go do camping , do camping instead of gaming!" i know about camping , i go there for a month long, there is rainy day/night or night that poeple dont regroup and go to bed early. So for me an offline mode is a must. I dont care playing with others, i play for myself.I do like my friends to play with me , its great and have great memories of D2 with them but the arguments against an offline mode is really weak. LAN would be a really nice addition too. They removed it from starcraft and it really sucked. I played so long SC1 but SC2 died really quick.
About the mods, i never used them in D1 or D2 so i cant say. The only thing i can say is, i was able to live, play , mule, trade without them.
AH gold/cash. I wont use them. Like i said in other post, i feel like it will break any accomplishement. Ill give an exemple. A barbarian come in front of me with an immortal king set (exemple). "look at my armor! its godly". Should i be impressed? no! he bought it? no he didnt? prove it! The only thing that will do is make more player lose countless hours trying to buy cheap stuff and resell it to try make money and reduce the number of (lets call them like that atm) baal run you need to do to get youre gear. How was i excited when my last piece of trang-oul dropped for me, it was an accomplishement and when i was joining other game, people were always amazed at my form. There wont be people amazed by youre gears in diablo 3, because you buy them. Im really against the real cash AH, even understanding the pro and con and im against the regular gold one too but hey , some people like it , its my opinion.
Anyway, diablo 3 will be a nice game, ill have to play it at home being restricted to online only , make a private game with a password and play without using the AH to keep being proud of what i do. It seem even hardcore character will be a bitter victory at 60. "Oh i got this toon that is HC" reply "ah , it was easy ,you bought some good gear at higher level to help you in hell, made it more easy".
People will say i exagerate right now, when you will do that in game and youll get someone bitter who tell you this, youll remember this comment
The game we are paying for comes with a license. We are paying for a service that comes as is. You heard of a Formula 1 car that you can buy? You pay for it, and you get a car, a truck, a team of technicians and a coach. But the car is not street legal, so when you want to race, you call them, and they bring your car to a racing track. You ride, then they pack it up and haul it back to wherever they store it. What should you do if you want to drive it on the street? You go buy another, because this one comes with rules. Same with Diablo III.
Thank God.
You, my friend, are a pitiful pirate. I played pirated games myself for a long time, but I did this simply because I had no money and wanted to play, so I used stolen games. Then I grew up and started making money. And I pay for games I respect, while still pirating games I respect less (or that lose less when pirated). I do not whine that those bastards do not write games as my majesty desires, hiding my pirate nature behind "respect for fan-base".
Do not worry though, Diablo III will be cracked, and you will have you private servers and stuff. And I will be happy on Battle.net.
Wow. Now Square-Enix is evil too. Looks like Runic games will eventually turn their back on you and ruin your whole life too... How scary life is.
It's not an MMO. MMO's imply a few things:
1) Persistent - Diablo 3 is the absolute opposite of a persistent world. When you log in you're treated with a fresh world every time.
2) Massively Multiplayer - Diablo 3 limits coop multiplayer to 4 and competetive to eithe 3v3 or 4v4. Massive implies hundreds of players in the same world as you, at least dozens at the low end.
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=27387874231&sid=3000
There is offline single player, calm down about it
Also, Idk when WoW got a real cash auction house, yeah, they both have auction houses, but itll probably work out well anyways, stop complaining about it. The auction house in general will probably help us anyways. For me, it was really hard to make a trade game in d2 to find the item I needed because the chances of someone having that rare item I needed (deaths web) and joining my trade game was really low. With the auction house system, it may be easier to get what I need, and who knows, maybe if I find something nice, I can sell it for real money and wont have to spend an actual dime on gear.
The modding, Im not too sad about, I did try out Eastern Sun, but I couldn't get into it, but well, to all his own.
Thank you!
You know, the more the information came out, the more I realized that this is the true evolution of the Diablo series. This is a step in the right direction, and I'm loving it all the way.
I'm curious though, were people also freaking out this much when Blizzard announced back in the day that D2 will be using skill trees and not spell books. I would say definitely.
And people referring to this as an MMORPG is laughable. I mean, it's running on four player 'instancing' and has small arena style PvP. Where exactly is the MMO part in all of this. Just because it's online doesn't mean it's an MMO.