Even Diablo 2 [Lord of Destruction, the EXPANSION] has more interesting end game. Uber Tristram (which did come late) [actually much later, years after the expansion] is actually interesting, albeit very small and a bit lazy, end game. Thats the kind of content thats fun. REWARDING places to go, new weird things to find and do, new places, new monsters, new bosses or redesigned boss encounters with new attacks, name it.
Ah yes the blues better than legendaries ? *irony on* Oh so sweet my dream in D3 is to obtain one of the hundreds 1200 dps blue 1handers swords in the AH... so good !!! *irony off*
"Sweet, this blue is better than a legendary. LOL" Does colour really matter that much? Are you a racist?
The end-game is ok'ish, it just needed to have been properly balanced is all.
Most people who hit Inferno Act 2 or Act 3 have to start "cheesing" to get to the end of quests while skipping most of the elites on the way.
The problem must have been that as Blizzard said; no one at the company had beaten Inferno mode. They should have been able to see that the content was poorly balanced
Ah yes the blues better than legendaries ? *irony on* Oh so sweet my dream in D3 is to obtain one of the hundreds 1200 dps blue 1handers swords in the AH... so good !!! *irony off*
aha, its all about the text color of the item.
I dont think the old system where only very very rare uniques and impossible to get rune words were useable. Blues and rares were terrible, and most sets were useless as well.
Yes, legendaries should be looked at again, but having more items that can be good is not a bad thing.
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Then you see what cannot be. Shadows move where light should be.
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Even Diablo 2 has more interesting end game. Uber Tristram (which did come late) is actually interesting, albeit very small and a bit lazy, end game. Thats the kind of content thats fun. REWARDING places to go, new weird things to find and do, new places, new monsters, new bosses or redesigned boss encounters with new attacks, name it.
You do realize that that D3 has already shipped with more content than Diablo 2 classic right? Did you even know that Uber Tristian was only released 5 years after the game shipped right? Good god, you're comparing content for a game out 1 week vs a game that's had 13 patches and 1 expansion over 12 years.
Give it time? Let them Revamp? Last time I checked, games come out complete and are amazing when they first come out, not a year later. Blizzard has dropped the ball, any other company would be fine. The fans have waited years for this and are already finished in days.
If you want the game to have long legs like diablo 2 then you need to allow for the patches. Let's be perfectly honest, can you think of ANY other franchise either on PC or console that has had the success that Diablo2 has enjoyed where thousands still play it even after 12 years? Diablo 2 is the exception, not the norm. And for your info Diablo 2 HELL was also beaten in days. But that didn't stop people from playing it over and over.
Here's an idea, build a lasting community that will span another 12 years rather than making snide comments and acting like teenagers with no self control.
Diablo 2 was not about skills. What in the history of this series (which you've now lied about playing twice now) would give you that idea? In D1 the characters all had access to the same spells. In D2 each class had three trees of abilities half of which were completely useless until they added synergies. Even then they were useless but you had a point dump.
Diablo IS an action game because its played in real time. You're confusing what the game is ABOUT and what genre it falls into. Its not an action game you go shooting guns in or an mmo you HAVE to play socially with. Its about the items and those amazing things that drop from demons and beasts. No one plays it because fireball looked awesome or hammerdins were the funnest thing to play since Mario.
I'll say it again... The game needs tweaks. Otherwise it is an amazing successor to an amazing game.
And before you say it NO! I had little faith that Blizzard could actually do D3 well. I played it and I was corrected.
Even Diablo 2 has more interesting end game. Uber Tristram (which did come late) is actually interesting, albeit very small and a bit lazy, end game. Thats the kind of content thats fun. REWARDING places to go, new weird things to find and do, new places, new monsters, new bosses or redesigned boss encounters with new attacks, name it.
You do realize that that D3 has already shipped with more content than Diablo 2 classic right? Did you even know that Uber Tristian was only released 5 years after the game shipped right? Good god, you're comparing content for a game out 1 week vs a game that's had 13 patches and 1 expansion over 12 years.
*sigh*
Everytime I use it as an example of what I found to be a nice incentive, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, people bash me for it. And oh my gosh, it was so hard to add and was added years later. Obviously Diablo 3 could NOT have any such thing early on because of that.
God. The worst part of no pvp at launch is not being able to kill whiney noobs like these.
Can't wait.
#bringbackhostility
Instead of being a prententious coward hurting people from behind your screen, you have to get up and get in someone's real life face. Sorry that your nonexistent manhood is disappointed by its inability to satisfy itself from such safe ways of causing grief.
All I heard was "WAH WAH WAH Why isn't Diablo more like WoW? WAH WAH WAH"
And all I heard was, wah wah wah, I can't take when someone criticises the game I've been waiting for for so many years and because of that, I'm completely numb to any constructive criticism of the game, wah wah wah.
You have confused "constructive criticism" with "negative criticism".
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I grew up gaming without internet forums. The entire phenomenon of being upset with a game developer makes no sense to me. No sense. I cannot imagine spending my time and energy being upset about something I choose to do for recreation.
God. The worst part of no pvp at launch is not being able to kill whiney noobs like these.
Can't wait.
#bringbackhostility
We ALL have to agree on that one. No PVP is bullshit!
u know its kinda hard to balance pvp and pve..i like the balance of the game though act 2 is a bit hard..lvl 60 wizz here(no force armor abuse ever) but i want a well balanced pvp.. :D..so until then get those sets going:D
All I heard was "WAH WAH WAH Why isn't Diablo more like WoW? WAH WAH WAH"
And all I heard was, wah wah wah, I can't take when someone criticises the game I've been waiting for for so many years and because of that, I'm completely numb to any constructive criticism of the game, wah wah wah.
You have confused "constructive criticism" with "negative criticism".
No.
So to provide a specific example to make myself more clear, if I were to negatively criticze your most recent post, i would say "your post is made of fail. It doesn't make any points. It's boring, trollish and you totally dropped the ball"
If I were to constructively criticize your post i would say "It seems like what you were going for was to undermine the credibility of my post with a sharp ambiguous attack to put me on the defensive while dodging the issue that I raised. It might be more effective if you gave a rational for why my post was inaccurate with specific examples to support your position."
Edit - Hypothetically of course.
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I grew up gaming without internet forums. The entire phenomenon of being upset with a game developer makes no sense to me. No sense. I cannot imagine spending my time and energy being upset about something I choose to do for recreation.
This is how I feel. I actually really like Diablo 3. There are some flaws, sure. They need to fix Inferno difficulty wise, they need to fix up items a bit, there is some work to be done on the blacksmith costs and I'm sure they'll continue to need to balance classes.
But if you really dislike it that much and don't want to wait for Blizzard to fix some things up... then just don't play the game. If you don't think the game is good, don't spend your time on a forum about the game bitching about it constantly.
SFJake comes off (and has always come off) as a guy who is just desperately in need of attention.
"Oh I don't like Diablo 3! It sucks, so many things are wrong with it! I don't even like playing it! Yet I'm going to play it and just sit around and complain about it all day in hopes that people will pay attention to me."
That's not being a Blizzard 'fan boy' or overly defending the game. It's obvious that the game has some flaws and they need to be fixed. But if you don't like the game as a whole... just don't play it. There, your problem is solved.
SFJake comes off (and has always come off) as a guy who is just desperately in need of attention.
No...
I'm an angry person and I want people to be angry at me for being angry at what they love.
Come on, be angry at me, then you'll feel better.
Those "don't play the game" comments are always the silliest to me, anyway. I'm extremely pationate about games and their potential and I'm the Lord of Disappointment, I'm always disappointed at a product because I see so much untapped potential.
You can scorch me all you want, gaming is an art, and its being run like a business in every way. Therefore, I'm an eternal whiner and defender of the true art of gaming and I will keep wishing and discussing for its true potential.
You don't get a lot of games that are half-decent. For the record, I love this game's combat, I think it has a lot of potential, -thats- why I'm here. I don't hang around games that are hopeless causes in every way.
You are passionate about gaming yet you don't realize that a majority of games, especially multi-player games... are released with flaws? I'd give Blizzard a couple of months to smooth things out and if everything is still messed up, then I think you can go over the top.
You don't come off as someone offering anything useful. It's just complaining... constant complaining. I even agree with you on a lot of stuff and I can't even side with you because of how you present arguments.
I agree Inferno is broken. I don't think as an end game system it's broken, I like the MF system and think it will be fun. But as a difficulty I think it's broken in that it's not necessarily too hard... but it's hard in a very frustrating way. Just having a giant gear check that makes you get constantly one-shot isn't a good system. But Blizzard knows that and they've already admitted they notice it.
I agree that items are a little broken right now as well. I liked Legendary (Unique) items being super powerful and awesome in Diablo 2. I think they are going to correct this so that they play a little bigger part in the game. But you also have to remember that Uniques weren't exactly the greatest things ever in Classic Diablo 2 either. It wasn't until LoD that Uniques became essential for most builds.
But these are things that are, IMO, easily fixable and they are things I think Blizzard recognizes and will take care of in a timely fashion. They aren't changes that can just be made overnight... but I think it'll be fixed up within a couple of months. If things don't change or get worst 2-3 months from now? Yeah, I'll be annoyed as well. But looking at it from a logical standpoint, it's difficult to expect them to release a perfect game right out of the gate.
What Jake is talking about has nothing to do with difficulty, so being a newb is not the issue. Read the god damn post through to the end before copy/pasting the same answer you give everyone who isn't jizzing his pants over D3.
I wouldn't defend myself too much. He's really talking about my reputation on this forum, and how some other posters don't really know me at all. Gheed's been around for a while, he's seen me post before.
Thats usually how I post, pretty angry, sometimes incredibly rude.
Everytime I use it as an example of what I found to be a nice incentive, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, people bash me for it. And oh my gosh, it was so hard to add and was added years later. Obviously Diablo 3 could NOT have any such thing early on because of that.
I can't take you seriously.
Right back at you. I can't take you seriously at all. You must imagine that games just magically become instant hits. That taking a much loved franchise and making a 3rd sequel must be so easy.
You obviously have not put any thought into the amount of work it took to redo D3's skill system 3 times to get where we are, to ensure different animations for all skills, to develop an entire system of affixes, to ensure gameplay is fun, to build a completely new game engine, and on top of everything else to ensure that it remains true to diablo fans.
Nope. To you having a previous game and making a new sequel is an instant snap. It should be everything D3 is now, + have all the previous additions to Diablo 2's content + have all items and affixes be 100% perfect + have absolutely no technical issues. Must be nice to live in your world of instant gratification.
D3 is a massive disappointment and barely above mediocre at best.
I feel bad for all the fanboys who are too blinded by their own delusions to able to admit that now. When you no longer play this game in a couple weeks you'll know we were right.
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Fixed.
"Sweet, this blue is better than a legendary. LOL" Does colour really matter that much? Are you a racist?
Most people who hit Inferno Act 2 or Act 3 have to start "cheesing" to get to the end of quests while skipping most of the elites on the way.
The problem must have been that as Blizzard said; no one at the company had beaten Inferno mode. They should have been able to see that the content was poorly balanced
I dont think the old system where only very very rare uniques and impossible to get rune words were useable. Blues and rares were terrible, and most sets were useless as well.
Yes, legendaries should be looked at again, but having more items that can be good is not a bad thing.
If you want the game to have long legs like diablo 2 then you need to allow for the patches. Let's be perfectly honest, can you think of ANY other franchise either on PC or console that has had the success that Diablo2 has enjoyed where thousands still play it even after 12 years? Diablo 2 is the exception, not the norm. And for your info Diablo 2 HELL was also beaten in days. But that didn't stop people from playing it over and over.
Here's an idea, build a lasting community that will span another 12 years rather than making snide comments and acting like teenagers with no self control.
Diablo IS an action game because its played in real time. You're confusing what the game is ABOUT and what genre it falls into. Its not an action game you go shooting guns in or an mmo you HAVE to play socially with. Its about the items and those amazing things that drop from demons and beasts. No one plays it because fireball looked awesome or hammerdins were the funnest thing to play since Mario.
I'll say it again... The game needs tweaks. Otherwise it is an amazing successor to an amazing game.
And before you say it NO! I had little faith that Blizzard could actually do D3 well. I played it and I was corrected.
Can't wait.
#bringbackhostility
Yeah, & you're really bright.
Everytime I use it as an example of what I found to be a nice incentive, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, people bash me for it. And oh my gosh, it was so hard to add and was added years later. Obviously Diablo 3 could NOT have any such thing early on because of that.
I can't take you seriously.
Instead of being a prententious coward hurting people from behind your screen, you have to get up and get in someone's real life face. Sorry that your nonexistent manhood is disappointed by its inability to satisfy itself from such safe ways of causing grief.
We ALL have to agree on that one. No PVP is bullshit!
You have confused "constructive criticism" with "negative criticism".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ro0yZyVR0Qk
So to provide a specific example to make myself more clear, if I were to negatively criticze your most recent post, i would say "your post is made of fail. It doesn't make any points. It's boring, trollish and you totally dropped the ball"
If I were to constructively criticize your post i would say "It seems like what you were going for was to undermine the credibility of my post with a sharp ambiguous attack to put me on the defensive while dodging the issue that I raised. It might be more effective if you gave a rational for why my post was inaccurate with specific examples to support your position."
Edit - Hypothetically of course.
This is how I feel. I actually really like Diablo 3. There are some flaws, sure. They need to fix Inferno difficulty wise, they need to fix up items a bit, there is some work to be done on the blacksmith costs and I'm sure they'll continue to need to balance classes.
But if you really dislike it that much and don't want to wait for Blizzard to fix some things up... then just don't play the game. If you don't think the game is good, don't spend your time on a forum about the game bitching about it constantly.
SFJake comes off (and has always come off) as a guy who is just desperately in need of attention.
"Oh I don't like Diablo 3! It sucks, so many things are wrong with it! I don't even like playing it! Yet I'm going to play it and just sit around and complain about it all day in hopes that people will pay attention to me."
That's not being a Blizzard 'fan boy' or overly defending the game. It's obvious that the game has some flaws and they need to be fixed. But if you don't like the game as a whole... just don't play it. There, your problem is solved.
I'm an angry person and I want people to be angry at me for being angry at what they love.
Come on, be angry at me, then you'll feel better.
Those "don't play the game" comments are always the silliest to me, anyway. I'm extremely pationate about games and their potential and I'm the Lord of Disappointment, I'm always disappointed at a product because I see so much untapped potential.
You can scorch me all you want, gaming is an art, and its being run like a business in every way. Therefore, I'm an eternal whiner and defender of the true art of gaming and I will keep wishing and discussing for its true potential.
You don't get a lot of games that are half-decent. For the record, I love this game's combat, I think it has a lot of potential, -thats- why I'm here. I don't hang around games that are hopeless causes in every way.
You don't come off as someone offering anything useful. It's just complaining... constant complaining. I even agree with you on a lot of stuff and I can't even side with you because of how you present arguments.
I agree Inferno is broken. I don't think as an end game system it's broken, I like the MF system and think it will be fun. But as a difficulty I think it's broken in that it's not necessarily too hard... but it's hard in a very frustrating way. Just having a giant gear check that makes you get constantly one-shot isn't a good system. But Blizzard knows that and they've already admitted they notice it.
I agree that items are a little broken right now as well. I liked Legendary (Unique) items being super powerful and awesome in Diablo 2. I think they are going to correct this so that they play a little bigger part in the game. But you also have to remember that Uniques weren't exactly the greatest things ever in Classic Diablo 2 either. It wasn't until LoD that Uniques became essential for most builds.
But these are things that are, IMO, easily fixable and they are things I think Blizzard recognizes and will take care of in a timely fashion. They aren't changes that can just be made overnight... but I think it'll be fixed up within a couple of months. If things don't change or get worst 2-3 months from now? Yeah, I'll be annoyed as well. But looking at it from a logical standpoint, it's difficult to expect them to release a perfect game right out of the gate.
Thats usually how I post, pretty angry, sometimes incredibly rude.
Its a deserved reputation.
You obviously have not put any thought into the amount of work it took to redo D3's skill system 3 times to get where we are, to ensure different animations for all skills, to develop an entire system of affixes, to ensure gameplay is fun, to build a completely new game engine, and on top of everything else to ensure that it remains true to diablo fans.
Nope. To you having a previous game and making a new sequel is an instant snap. It should be everything D3 is now, + have all the previous additions to Diablo 2's content + have all items and affixes be 100% perfect + have absolutely no technical issues. Must be nice to live in your world of instant gratification.
I feel bad for all the fanboys who are too blinded by their own delusions to able to admit that now. When you no longer play this game in a couple weeks you'll know we were right.