if not for the simple fact that there really arent a whole lot of options.
there are only a few hack and slash rpgs like this ( where you get skills and level up and get loot, as apposed to a button mashing/arcade style ARPG)
the only other alternatives are Torchlight 2 and Path of exile.
and maybe a few crappy wannabe's, then there is mythos ( which is already dead)
I will probably play all 3.
POE looked good, but after watching vids it seemed extremely spammy, like worse then diablo 2 ever was ( i mean 1 skill spam, as apposed to strategy)
and torchlight 1 had major problems, but i will give TL2 a shot.
so these people claiming diablo 3 is going to die and blah blah blah? think again, its going to be around for a good 10 years, just like diablo 2.
a lot of complaints i hear are kind of lame, so you get to level 60 quicker than you got to level 99 in diablo 2, GOOD! deal with it.
and also for the real problems give blizzard a chance to fix it ffs! how much did diablo 2 change after a year of patches? how broken was d2 it when it first came out?
D3 still has room to grow, and fix the major issues at hand.
you dont have a game change by saying how much it sucks, you have it change by telling the Devs hey its good, but it needs _______
too many people with rage posts threatening to quit and blah blah blah.( yeah right, il see you on the server in 5 years)
I just visited the site and every freaking page I went, the download dialog box pop out asking me where to save this "setup_x86". Are they that desperate for players? It is no wonder they will fail.
People have been predicting the death of WoW for years now, and they still have more players left than all the other MMOs combined. Can't please everyone.
Diablo 3 will be alive and considered the most epic RPG ever made a good 10 years from now. PvP will change a lot of attitudes and I can't frickin wait to see how this game evolves after a year or so of patching and an expansion.
PoE is play how you want to play. If you want to build YOUR ENTIRE character around 1 skill spam, you can do that. You want to spread it out? you can do that too. The game already has more viable combos at the higher level than d3 does right now... which is kind of sad... but meh? Also has a real economy lol. Sad for a little indie f2p title to take down the AAA Juggernaut in so many areas
You also forgot, Grim Dawn, Krater, Dungeonland.
the vast majority wont quit, but i can guarantee that their play time will go down. No one will play pissed off or bored for long. That seems to be the problem, lots of people are pissed, or bored, or both.
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Just because there seems to be a massive amount of complainers on the offical forums doesn't mean the game is going to die any time soon, The forums host about .02% of Diablo 3's population, which is why it seems like everyone is in Inferno and complaining about the changes.
Don't let the forums fool you, far more people don't care about the changes than those whom are complaining, and D3 will stay around fora very long time.
PoE is play how you want to play. If you want to build YOUR ENTIRE character around 1 skill spam, you can do that. You want to spread it out? you can do that too
didnt know that, all i know is what ive seen from videos.
the skill trees did look pretty insane branching out in every direction, i definitely want to try it
yes i did forget grim dawn, and i have never heard of krater, but it looks ok i guess,, like baldurs gate on crack.
and as for dungeonland really? your comparing that? it looks a little clowny, but i dunno it might be fun.
There is also one that is a little more mmo and physical combat based, asian arpg, i forget the name ATM but it seemed fun, it was a dynasty warriors clone,
oh and i forgot bloodline champions, its PVP only but its the closest thing your going to get to diablo 3 style pvp right now,but anyway, the thread is getting off track.
What we can hope for is blizzard will fix what needs to be fixed ( unbalanced skills for starters) and keep the game fun.
I uninstalled wow since i basically just played that while waiting for d3 since d2 "died out", I`m not 100% satesfied with d3 as a whole, they could have done it so much better, dont get me wrong its the best arpg i played since d2, but i think they wandered too far away from the feeling that made d2 so unique(legendary now). for example they took a step BACK regaring item affixes, they took a huge leap in the right direction regarding stash and inventory, and for some reason i dont fall in love with my char they way i could in d2, It must be the automatic stat placements and the skills without levels, my barb is JUST like your barb, yes i know most chars was like that in d2 aswell, but the illusion it gave was enough.
For me it all comes down to the pvp patch, how will they do it, what will it be like. the "pvp balance" buff icon we got aware of couple of days ago really scared me, I dont want resilence, i dont want my char to be exatly as strong statwise as my opponent, and that icon gave me flashbacks to world of warcraft pvp, I want to fucking own the noobs that didnt farm as good gear as i did, i dont want a fucking pvp balance buff making him just as strong as me, its like real life if i spend 10 hours in the gym each week i expect bigger biceps than the fat guy spending 10 hours a week at mcdonalds, I dont want a magic debuff making me just as fat as him.
I agree that the game has time to grow and get better. That's how Blizzard has always done it and most online games in general do this. You can't really compare a game that has been out for many years and has gone through millions of collective hours of play time to turn that into feedback that turns into patches/fixes/additions to the game.
1.0.3 is a good example of the kinds of things that will keep happening to D3. People may aruge against some of the specifics but many of the changes were very much needed.
Yeah they broke MF for breakables, but they plan on overhauling MF overall so it's just a starting step to a better MF system in general. Things like that but for other game systems will continue to happen.
You're right, D2 didn't come out as a shiny gem the first few weeks either.
If you're looking for a challenge though, Torchlight 2 is even easier than they just made Diablo 3 with the latest patch. That's my ONLY problem is that things went from stupid hard to stupid easy (some packs are still stupid hard of course) and I feel there really needs to be a better medium difficulty for Inferno. It IS supposed to be for hardcore gamers only, something they said over and over before release is that it's not for everyone, but with 1.0.3, it's definitely for everyone.
I gave it some moore tought and i realice now whats bugging me, d2 felt moore "conducted" for example,you had symetr on items wich made a setup amazing, in d3 u got dps stat/vit/resistance. if your lucky u get a larger radius on your gold pickup on top of that.. I mean, cmon, make it exiting, dont overbalance shit like u did with wow, its a game, let us get home from work, tell the gf to stop nagging, sit our ass infront of the computer and fucking let our frustration out on the nubs, for example give me a item with 10% chance to turn in to a sexmonster with a large dildo with rusty spikes and let me fuck diablo in the ass with it
D3 may seem like it's 'dying' in part possibly because people were cracking out on it so much in the first weeks/month (OMG! FINALLY! ONLY TOOK 12 YEARS!) and got bored with it. (Pre-release I saw some guy claiming he and his friend took a month off of work to play D3 and were going to 'put at least' 24 hours in on the first day. Kind of curious, if he was serious, how that turned out.)
A lot of people seemed to have quit/got a refund/stopped playing because it just didn't click for them or they didn't like the direction of the game's design.
I doubt D3 would be as popular for as long as D2 was in it's current state, but with content patches and quite possibly two planned expansions, it might get there. (Just look at how much it has changed in the month+ since launch. Okay, not necessarily always for the better, though )The game will probably be hemorrhaging active players until the PvP patch hits, though.
People have been predicting the death of WoW for years now, and they still have more players left than all the other MMOs combined. Can't please everyone.
Considering some 'ancient' games like EverQuest are still going with far less population, I don't think WoW will 'die' anytime soon. (Unless Blizzard themselves pull the plug on it or Titan/some other game is really that good to drop subscribers so low that they take a loss from it. In which case it would probably just go F2P and gain a playerbase again)
So, let's see how WoW holds up against other MMORPG subscriber counts worldwide. Here are some of the largest MMORPG's by population or "popularity" that have listed their subscription figures:
Dungeons and Dragons Online - 2 Million
Knight Online - 4.25 Million
Flyff - 5 Million
Guild Wars - 6 Million
Metin2 - 7 Million
Gaia Online - 8 Million
Lineage 1 - 10 Million
Free Realms - 12 Million World of Warcraft - 12 Million
Wizard 101 - 15 Million
Silkroad Online - 18 Million
Lineage 2 - 20 Million
Second Life - 20 Million
Dofus - 30 Million
MU Online - 40 Million
DarkOrbit - 50 Million
Perfect World - 50 Million
Scions of Fate - 50 Million
Ragnarok Online - 60 Million
Farmville - 80 Million
Westward Journey Online II - 86 Million
Maple Story - 100 Million
RuneScape - 130 Million
Dungeon Fighter Online - 200 Million
All of these numbers are certainly debatable, but these are the official subscribers counts.. apparently.
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Wow apart from Torchlight I'd never even heard of these other ARPGs. Goes to show how the genre is really not flooded with titles.
Action RPGs - particularly modern Roguelikes - are quite an old fashioned style of game so they only strongly appeal to a certain slice of the market. Not an insignificant one, but you know how the industry tends to chase the mass market (-> let's make 100 new FPS titles woot) and ignore everything else. So a lot of people will try D3 not knowing what it is and find it's not their style of game (even people who played D2 - the forums kind of show that a lot of these people don't have an accurate memory of D2). But those that it does appeal to, it appeals to a lot. Look at D2's longevity. And that game was so unbalanced, duped/haxxed and railroaded into Baal tele sorc runs it was ridiculous.
haha lol i cant see that happen, seriously. Well at least not for me since it butchered the d2 legacy forever but time will tell its fate. I forsee a swtor pretty quick death.
oh well you might have been trolling, silly me.
No I don't think he was trolling, a troll post would be more like venting some aimless hate, invoking the name of an MMO in a thread about an action RPG and acting as if SWTOR is dead which is as wrong as it is irrelevant.
People have been predicting the death of WoW for years now, and they still have more players left than all the other MMOs combined. Can't please everyone.
Considering some 'ancient' games like EverQuest are still going with far less population, I don't think WoW will 'die' anytime soon. (Unless Blizzard themselves pull the plug on it or Titan/some other game is really that good to drop subscribers so low that they take a loss from it. In which case it would probably just go F2P and gain a playerbase again)
So, let's see how WoW holds up against other MMORPG subscriber counts worldwide. Here are some of the largest MMORPG's by population or "popularity" that have listed their subscription figures:
All of these numbers are certainly debatable, but these are the official subscribers counts.. apparently.
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I guess I could have said 'subscription' or 'pay-to-play' MMOs.
Regardless, it just means that some people aren't in the intended audience that Blizzard built the game around. If you're not part of who they built it for, might as well move on. It's just that those people leaving isn't going to 'kill' anything. There's still tons of happy WoW players, and lots of others who have quit for whatever reason. Regardless, there's plenty of people there to make the game healthy. D3 will be the same, imo.
A lot of people on the forums honestly equate "hype wore off" with "died". What a terrible way to look at the world... always chasing hype, getting ridiculously over-expectant of things, then crashing when no game can perfectly meet 100% of those insane expectations 100% of the time from the minute it launches, then going on a petty hate spree on official forums while hanging out for the next big thing to get their fix... you know I pity the hype junkies. It's sad
So, let's see how WoW holds up against other MMORPG subscriber counts worldwide. Here are some of the largest MMORPG's by population or "popularity" that have listed their subscription figures:
Dungeons and Dragons Online - 2 Million
Knight Online - 4.25 Million
Flyff - 5 Million
Guild Wars - 6 Million
Metin2 - 7 Million
Gaia Online - 8 Million
Lineage 1 - 10 Million
Free Realms - 12 Million World of Warcraft - 12 Million
Wizard 101 - 15 Million
Silkroad Online - 18 Million
Lineage 2 - 20 Million
Second Life - 20 Million
Dofus - 30 Million
MU Online - 40 Million
DarkOrbit - 50 Million
Perfect World - 50 Million
Scions of Fate - 50 Million
Ragnarok Online - 60 Million
Farmville - 80 Million
Westward Journey Online II - 86 Million
Maple Story - 100 Million
RuneScape - 130 Million
Dungeon Fighter Online - 200 Million
All of these numbers are certainly debatable, but these are the official subscribers counts.. apparently.
LOL there is just no way that list is apples with apples
Then again it's really impossible to get an apples with apples comparison of MMO subs. Every game works differently.
Just because there seems to be a massive amount of complainers on the offical forums doesn't mean the game is going to die any time soon, The forums host about .02% of Diablo 3's population, which is why it seems like everyone is in Inferno and complaining about the changes.
Don't let the forums fool you, far more people don't care about the changes than those whom are complaining, and D3 will stay around fora very long time.
A lot of people on the forums honestly equate "hype wore off" with "died". What a terrible way to look at the world... always chasing hype, getting ridiculously over-expectant of things, then crashing when no game can perfectly meet 100% of those insane expectations 100% of the time from the minute it launches, then going on a petty hate spree on official forums while hanging out for the next big thing to get their fix... you know I pity the hype junkies. It's sad
So, let's see how WoW holds up against other MMORPG subscriber counts worldwide. Here are some of the largest MMORPG's by population or "popularity" that have listed their subscription figures:
Dungeons and Dragons Online - 2 Million
Knight Online - 4.25 Million
Flyff - 5 Million
Guild Wars - 6 Million
Metin2 - 7 Million
Gaia Online - 8 Million
Lineage 1 - 10 Million
Free Realms - 12 Million World of Warcraft - 12 Million
Wizard 101 - 15 Million
Silkroad Online - 18 Million
Lineage 2 - 20 Million
Second Life - 20 Million
Dofus - 30 Million
MU Online - 40 Million
DarkOrbit - 50 Million
Perfect World - 50 Million
Scions of Fate - 50 Million
Ragnarok Online - 60 Million
Farmville - 80 Million
Westward Journey Online II - 86 Million
Maple Story - 100 Million
RuneScape - 130 Million
Dungeon Fighter Online - 200 Million
All of these numbers are certainly debatable, but these are the official subscribers counts.. apparently.
LOL there is just no way that list is apples with apples
Then again it's really impossible to get an apples with apples comparison of MMO subs. Every game works differently.
really? every MMO looks exactly the same to me.
hard to believe runescape is way up there, and dungeon fighter really?
Diablo 3 will be alive and considered the most epic RPG ever made a good 10 years from now. PvP will change a lot of attitudes and I can't frickin wait to see how this game evolves after a year or so of patching and an expansion.
haha lol i cant see that happen, seriously. Well at least not for me since it butchered the d2 legacy forever but time will tell its fate. I forsee a swtor pretty quick death.
oh well you might have been trolling, silly me.
Not trolling. Honestly I have no idea what the hell is wrong with some of you. A LOT of people love this game. The folks that don't seem to care for it are the vocal minority.
D3 will be around for many many years and have a loyal following, just like it's predecessor.
Honestly I can't wait for the ass-sore little pricks to get off the forums and fuck off to another game. What the hell is the issue with them anyway? I can't stand Call of Duty, but you don't see me spending my free-time trolling their forums about how much I hate it.
I'm curious though....what EXACTLY about D3 has "butchered the Diablo legacy"? Like D2, ya know, that game that was chock full 'o' hacks, dupes, lag, bugs and revolved around farming the same 4 areas repeatedly.....D2, that game where PvP was an open sewer of bad mannered little pricks and horrific imbalance?
there are only a few hack and slash rpgs like this ( where you get skills and level up and get loot, as apposed to a button mashing/arcade style ARPG)
the only other alternatives are Torchlight 2 and Path of exile.
and maybe a few crappy wannabe's, then there is mythos ( which is already dead)
I will probably play all 3.
POE looked good, but after watching vids it seemed extremely spammy, like worse then diablo 2 ever was ( i mean 1 skill spam, as apposed to strategy)
and torchlight 1 had major problems, but i will give TL2 a shot.
so these people claiming diablo 3 is going to die and blah blah blah? think again, its going to be around for a good 10 years, just like diablo 2.
a lot of complaints i hear are kind of lame, so you get to level 60 quicker than you got to level 99 in diablo 2, GOOD! deal with it.
and also for the real problems give blizzard a chance to fix it ffs! how much did diablo 2 change after a year of patches? how broken was d2 it when it first came out?
D3 still has room to grow, and fix the major issues at hand.
you dont have a game change by saying how much it sucks, you have it change by telling the Devs hey its good, but it needs _______
too many people with rage posts threatening to quit and blah blah blah.( yeah right, il see you on the server in 5 years)
Mythos is a piece of shyt.
I just visited the site and every freaking page I went, the download dialog box pop out asking me where to save this "setup_x86". Are they that desperate for players? It is no wonder they will fail.
Crap shyt site.
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You also forgot, Grim Dawn, Krater, Dungeonland.
the vast majority wont quit, but i can guarantee that their play time will go down. No one will play pissed off or bored for long. That seems to be the problem, lots of people are pissed, or bored, or both.
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shall be my brother..."
Don't let the forums fool you, far more people don't care about the changes than those whom are complaining, and D3 will stay around fora very long time.
(numbers not based on actual facts)
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didnt know that, all i know is what ive seen from videos.
the skill trees did look pretty insane branching out in every direction, i definitely want to try it
yes i did forget grim dawn, and i have never heard of krater, but it looks ok i guess,, like baldurs gate on crack.
and as for dungeonland really? your comparing that? it looks a little clowny, but i dunno it might be fun.
There is also one that is a little more mmo and physical combat based, asian arpg, i forget the name ATM but it seemed fun, it was a dynasty warriors clone,
oh and i forgot bloodline champions, its PVP only but its the closest thing your going to get to diablo 3 style pvp right now,but anyway, the thread is getting off track.
What we can hope for is blizzard will fix what needs to be fixed ( unbalanced skills for starters) and keep the game fun.
For me it all comes down to the pvp patch, how will they do it, what will it be like. the "pvp balance" buff icon we got aware of couple of days ago really scared me, I dont want resilence, i dont want my char to be exatly as strong statwise as my opponent, and that icon gave me flashbacks to world of warcraft pvp, I want to fucking own the noobs that didnt farm as good gear as i did, i dont want a fucking pvp balance buff making him just as strong as me, its like real life if i spend 10 hours in the gym each week i expect bigger biceps than the fat guy spending 10 hours a week at mcdonalds, I dont want a magic debuff making me just as fat as him.
sry bad engrish becouse i dont care
1.0.3 is a good example of the kinds of things that will keep happening to D3. People may aruge against some of the specifics but many of the changes were very much needed.
Yeah they broke MF for breakables, but they plan on overhauling MF overall so it's just a starting step to a better MF system in general. Things like that but for other game systems will continue to happen.
You're right, D2 didn't come out as a shiny gem the first few weeks either.
If you're looking for a challenge though, Torchlight 2 is even easier than they just made Diablo 3 with the latest patch. That's my ONLY problem is that things went from stupid hard to stupid easy (some packs are still stupid hard of course) and I feel there really needs to be a better medium difficulty for Inferno. It IS supposed to be for hardcore gamers only, something they said over and over before release is that it's not for everyone, but with 1.0.3, it's definitely for everyone.
A lot of people seemed to have quit/got a refund/stopped playing because it just didn't click for them or they didn't like the direction of the game's design.
I doubt D3 would be as popular for as long as D2 was in it's current state, but with content patches and quite possibly two planned expansions, it might get there. (Just look at how much it has changed in the month+ since launch. Okay, not necessarily always for the better, though )The game will probably be hemorrhaging active players until the PvP patch hits, though.
Considering some 'ancient' games like EverQuest are still going with far less population, I don't think WoW will 'die' anytime soon. (Unless Blizzard themselves pull the plug on it or Titan/some other game is really that good to drop subscribers so low that they take a loss from it. In which case it would probably just go F2P and gain a playerbase again)
Seriously, Fly for Fun. Seriously?
Action RPGs - particularly modern Roguelikes - are quite an old fashioned style of game so they only strongly appeal to a certain slice of the market. Not an insignificant one, but you know how the industry tends to chase the mass market (-> let's make 100 new FPS titles woot) and ignore everything else. So a lot of people will try D3 not knowing what it is and find it's not their style of game (even people who played D2 - the forums kind of show that a lot of these people don't have an accurate memory of D2). But those that it does appeal to, it appeals to a lot. Look at D2's longevity. And that game was so unbalanced, duped/haxxed and railroaded into Baal tele sorc runs it was ridiculous.
No I don't think he was trolling, a troll post would be more like venting some aimless hate, invoking the name of an MMO in a thread about an action RPG and acting as if SWTOR is dead which is as wrong as it is irrelevant.
I guess I could have said 'subscription' or 'pay-to-play' MMOs.
Regardless, it just means that some people aren't in the intended audience that Blizzard built the game around. If you're not part of who they built it for, might as well move on. It's just that those people leaving isn't going to 'kill' anything. There's still tons of happy WoW players, and lots of others who have quit for whatever reason. Regardless, there's plenty of people there to make the game healthy. D3 will be the same, imo.
LOL there is just no way that list is apples with apples
Then again it's really impossible to get an apples with apples comparison of MMO subs. Every game works differently.
This meme should come in handy.
Post with tact, good sirs.
really? every MMO looks exactly the same to me.
hard to believe runescape is way up there, and dungeon fighter really?
I too, consider Second Life and Farmville to be in the same genre as WoW.
I also consider sled dogs and honda accords to be a peers by means of conveyance.
Edit: In before someone accuses blizzard of going after the coveted farmville audience.
Not trolling. Honestly I have no idea what the hell is wrong with some of you. A LOT of people love this game. The folks that don't seem to care for it are the vocal minority.
D3 will be around for many many years and have a loyal following, just like it's predecessor.
Honestly I can't wait for the ass-sore little pricks to get off the forums and fuck off to another game. What the hell is the issue with them anyway? I can't stand Call of Duty, but you don't see me spending my free-time trolling their forums about how much I hate it.
I'm curious though....what EXACTLY about D3 has "butchered the Diablo legacy"? Like D2, ya know, that game that was chock full 'o' hacks, dupes, lag, bugs and revolved around farming the same 4 areas repeatedly.....D2, that game where PvP was an open sewer of bad mannered little pricks and horrific imbalance?
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