When does farming wearing normal DPS gear surpass farming with a MF set on? I run with 285 right now with templar and 5 stacks and faceroll Act 1. But thats the only Act I can currently farm with speed and no risk of dieing. I have beaten Act 2 but lots of deaths along the way and I think it was before I began using my MF suit. When will you get better drops with full DPS gear compared to facerolling Act 1 in 30 mins with 285-300 MF? Are we talking Act 3 with tens of millions of gear so you are basically god mode? Or will farming in a full MF suit even in Act 1 be better than facerolling Act 3 without MF gear?
I dont even wanna know how much MF gear would cost to be able to faceroll Act 3 so thats out of the question as I dont have hundreds of millions of gold. But I probably do have enough gold to rebuild my current gear, dropping all my MF for more vit,crit, and resists and should be able to easily farm Act 3. Playing Wicked Wind wiz build if that matters. So should I keep farming Act 1 with high MF or start farming Act 3 with 0 MF?
Having done both the drops with 300+ MF in act1 are better than the drops with 75 MF (aka 0) in act3. I was stunned at the difference and how quickly it became apparent.
It used to be a simple matter of calculating how many rares/hour you could get in Act 1 vs. the number of rares/hour in Act 3 and using the drop % to see how many 63's, 62's, etc. you would find.
Since we recently learned that MF also effects the chance for greater # of affixes, this calculation is out the window.
I think that most people have come to the conclusion that racing through Act 1 with max MF is the way to go.
If you can kill quickly and in relative safety then pumping MF would be good.
Since Act 1 does give you chances to get il63 gear than it is not a bad place to go with MF and hope to get lucky on getting il63 with 5 or 6 affixes or decent legendary.
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I have done act 1 with over 400 MF and act 3 with 19 from enchantress and 20 from my shoulders, act 3 wins hands down, but then again, it takes me around 60-90 minutes to clear act 3 from start to finish, for most people with above average gear it will probably be better to do act 1 with full MF gear, kind of depends on your class and gear.
I find act 1 to be quite boring and there is 0 challenge in doing it, even with full MF gear, act 3 is more challenging and you actually die from time to time, since I'm not a braindead zombie i prefer the act that forces me to use my brain from time to time
i am running at 256 mf on my barb and act 1 is ez act 2 is fun and i die a little but act 3 i need to drop down to 185 mf because i will just get smashed if i dont pick my vit up over 38k.
I recently geared up enough to run Act2 as a DH. The run is pretty challenging but fun, but I noticed that the drops at and above ilvl61 were at a lower rate than when I was farming Act1 with base 100% MF. To rule out the "bad luck" theory, I ran Act2 for a whole week - about 2 times a day. Most of the time I found 1 or 0 ilvl63 items at around 40% Base MF. Just yesterday I switched back to Act 1 now with around 165% base MF and a better weapon. One full run was about 40 minutes and I found about 4-5 ilvl63 items.
In my opinion, unless you can run act 2 with 150% base MF efficiently, Act 1 with a ton of MF is a better way to go. However, I have ran a few Act 3s and even without MF it seems to drop just as much as act 1 with a lot of MF but you have to factor in time, deaths etc.
You should have a full dps set, then over time take out a piece and replace it with an MF piece. Find the point that takes you out of your comfort zone, and either stay there or go a piece back.
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In my experience A1 has been better, but it depends on the character really. The best way to do things (as ranged at least) seems to be to start off by trying to get high MF (like 300+ w/ NV) with average stats, and then just farm A1 to slowly increase your stats until you have high MF and high defense / offense.
But it's understandable that people wouldn't want to do that. It does feel a bit weak to not be able to do A3 very well even after like 250+ hours of farming because you have all MF gear.
Some people want to be able to beat the highest level content easily first and don't care as much about a lower drop percentage. It's just a preference really.
And in terms of how much MF gear would cost to faceroll A3... the answer is a lot. That's why it's understandable that people avoid MF gear because when you go for really high MF you're going to have like a few hundred hours played and you may not be able to do A3 really, which is kind of pathetic, but that's how it goes.
Added another 40 points of MF so up to 324 with 5 stacks. Even before getting to 5 stacks been getting 2-3 rare items off a lot of kills. Seems anything over 300 is money.
Currently farming act 3 with 151 mf base, so 226 with 5 stacks, and I can say it is far better then doing act II or I with 310% mf (mf set + stacks)
Act II consistently drops horrid amounts of low level gear, as opposed to my experience in Act III which I almost never get sub 60 items. Not to mention Act III is still kinda fun, getting chased across half the map and back again 10 times dodging INV phase beasts >
I typically still do an mf swap on the kill to 310, but with high base mf making a mistake with hydra and not having time to swap means drop @ 226% as opposed to 75. Not to mention there are times when the elite pack is so hard to down you are not going to chance a full heal just to mf swap, again i come back to INV phase beasts for my example
for me > 200 was money on act III, lots and lots of ilvl gear. Maybe one day I will crack 300 base
edit: I should state that MF does not affect ilvl gear % drop, this is a subjective experience that I notice in my game. Troll that!
I personally think the best approach is to farm the highest act you can safely farm effectively. If you can farm Act III but it takes you 3x as long to kill elites than it does in Act II, go back to Act II. I suggest this regardless of MF gear.
NV > MF in general. IMO you're better off farming Act III with 0 MF than you would be farming Act II with 200, as long as you can kill quickly. Farm the Act that you can farm the elites quickly and effectively if you're just wanting to farm. Once you are comfortable, work in as much MF as you can.
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You could get the theorycrafters to crunch you some numbers on rare drop rate/quality per hour etc etc, but really just go with gut feel. Put on a piece at a time and judge how much it's slowing you down and whether you can put up with it.
I would second the opinion that farming speed > everything else. Though, isn't it also true that higher Acts have a higher ilvl drop rate? I know it is possible for ilvl 61 and 62 rares to be better than 63, but if you are trying to maximize ilvl (if not necessarily drop quality) higher acts are better.
I did the wizard invuln bug for like 12 straight hours and was obviously stacking as much MF as I could get. I didnt get a single item to put on the AH. After they patched it and I was forced to go back to Act 1 after 2 hours I had made 10 mil off drops. I will stick to act 1. One day I might use some of the 70 mil I have for upgrades to be able to do Act 3 more easily but for now thats my GuildWars2 fund since they accept pay-pal to buy the game.
It used to be a simple matter of calculating how many rares/hour you could get in Act 1 vs. the number of rares/hour in Act 3 and using the drop % to see how many 63's, 62's, etc. you would find.
Since we recently learned that MF also effects the chance for greater # of affixes, this calculation is out the window.
I think that most people have come to the conclusion that racing through Act 1 with max MF is the way to go.
This is very interesting. I never realized rares were categorized according to their number of affixes.
I run with 0 MF personally facerolling Act 3 - I find this to be way more fun than doing Act 1 in MF gear. Sure I might be missing out on some gear but I'm sure I would quit if I force myself to backtrack to Butcher runs...
Since we recently learned that MF also effects the chance for greater # of affixes, this calculation is out the window.
I think that most people have come to the conclusion that racing through Act 1 with max MF is the way to go.
If you can kill quickly and in relative safety then pumping MF would be good.
Since Act 1 does give you chances to get il63 gear than it is not a bad place to go with MF and hope to get lucky on getting il63 with 5 or 6 affixes or decent legendary.
Where did we recently learn this?
I find act 1 to be quite boring and there is 0 challenge in doing it, even with full MF gear, act 3 is more challenging and you actually die from time to time, since I'm not a braindead zombie i prefer the act that forces me to use my brain from time to time
In my opinion, unless you can run act 2 with 150% base MF efficiently, Act 1 with a ton of MF is a better way to go. However, I have ran a few Act 3s and even without MF it seems to drop just as much as act 1 with a lot of MF but you have to factor in time, deaths etc.
But it's understandable that people wouldn't want to do that. It does feel a bit weak to not be able to do A3 very well even after like 250+ hours of farming because you have all MF gear.
Some people want to be able to beat the highest level content easily first and don't care as much about a lower drop percentage. It's just a preference really.
And in terms of how much MF gear would cost to faceroll A3... the answer is a lot. That's why it's understandable that people avoid MF gear because when you go for really high MF you're going to have like a few hundred hours played and you may not be able to do A3 really, which is kind of pathetic, but that's how it goes.
Never.
Act II consistently drops horrid amounts of low level gear, as opposed to my experience in Act III which I almost never get sub 60 items. Not to mention Act III is still kinda fun, getting chased across half the map and back again 10 times dodging INV phase beasts >
I typically still do an mf swap on the kill to 310, but with high base mf making a mistake with hydra and not having time to swap means drop @ 226% as opposed to 75. Not to mention there are times when the elite pack is so hard to down you are not going to chance a full heal just to mf swap, again i come back to INV phase beasts for my example
for me > 200 was money on act III, lots and lots of ilvl gear. Maybe one day I will crack 300 base
edit: I should state that MF does not affect ilvl gear % drop, this is a subjective experience that I notice in my game. Troll that!
NV > MF in general. IMO you're better off farming Act III with 0 MF than you would be farming Act II with 200, as long as you can kill quickly. Farm the Act that you can farm the elites quickly and effectively if you're just wanting to farm. Once you are comfortable, work in as much MF as you can.
Bringing torment and pain to others.
Your damned soul wallowing in your sin.
Perhaps...
it is time to die.
This is very interesting. I never realized rares were categorized according to their number of affixes.
I run with 0 MF personally facerolling Act 3 - I find this to be way more fun than doing Act 1 in MF gear. Sure I might be missing out on some gear but I'm sure I would quit if I force myself to backtrack to Butcher runs...
For me its progress -> 0 mf gear
farm mf gear!