I'd rather not make this a poll, because that gives people a reason to not justify...
But I made this after reading a poll about believing in God, or a deity.
I personally believe in most parts of the Big Bang, but I believe in God, and that God is the reason the Big Bang happened...
I will justify when I have more time, but I would like to see your own comments/debate/argument on the sort.
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Will be changed at some point, I'm too lazy right now.
That most things in the universe are moving away from each other it seems reasonable that further back in time they were closer to each other. Perhaps so close to each other that everything was densely packed. Of course, nothing back then would really resemble what it looks like today.
The theory is a difficult one to disprove though. So I wouldn't just say I believe in it because it hasn't been disproved yet. From an observational point of view, it generally seems true, but we done know if it's part of a cycle where the universe expands and contracts over and over again or if this was the first time. Things could have exploded in every direction or maybe they exploded like a shotgun blast. Only Lindsay Lohan really knows.
I can't say that I don't, because I don't know enough to back up my claims. It doesn't explain everything though. How did the thing that bang come to exist? How did the thing before it come to exist? And so on.
Do I believe that's what created all of existence though? No.
I guess that depends on whether you believe there is more to existence than the universe itself. Many believe there is. Many believe that other dimensions are not really part of this universe but I'm not sure how they classify it as being a part of the universe or not.
If say, through a wormhole another dimension exists, can we really not say that other dimension is part of the existing universe?
That most things in the universe are moving away from each other it seems reasonable that further back in time they were closer to each other. Perhaps so close to each other that everything was densely packed. Of course, nothing back then would really resemble what it looks like today.
The theory is a difficult one to disprove though. So I wouldn't just say I believe in it because it hasn't been disproved yet. From an observational point of view, it generally seems true, but we done know if it's part of a cycle where the universe expands and contracts over and over again or if this was the first time. Things could have exploded in every direction or maybe they exploded like a shotgun blast. Only Lindsay Lohan really knows.
I guess that depends on whether you believe there is more to existence than the universe itself. Many believe there is. Many believe that other dimensions are not really part of this universe but I'm not sure how they classify it as being a part of the universe or not.
If say, through a wormhole another dimension exists, can we really not say that other dimension is part of the existing universe?
I guess if it's like most theories about alternate dimensions it's a copy where evil clones live and shit. So it'd be the same universe only... opposite or changed in some way? -.^ Well I believe in intelligent design I think is the term. SOMEONE had to think all this up.
Maybe. But at least here I can talk about outer space which is more fun than debating the existence of god. But that opinion of how all this life couldn't just be an accident, it made me go rummaging through one of my favorite books that counters this argument fairly well. And I was compelled to share it.
"People believe in God because the world is very complicated and they think it is very unlikely that anything as complicated as a flying squirrel or the human eye or a brain could happen by chance. But they should think logically and if they thought logically they would see that they can only ask this question because it has already happened and they exist. And there are billions of planets where there is no life, but there is no one on those planets with brains to notice. And it is like if everyone in the world was tossing coins eventually someone would get 5,698 heads in a row and they would think they were very special. But they wouldn't be because there would be millions of people who didn't get 5,698 heads.
And there is life on earth because of an accident. But it is a very special kind of accident. And for this accident to happen in a special way, there have to be 3 conditions. And these are
1. Things have to make copies of themselves (this is called Replication)
2. They have to make small mistakes when they do this (this is called Mutation)
3. These mistakes have to be the same in their copies (this is called Heretability)
And these conditions are very rare, but they are possible, and they cause life. And it just happens. But it doesn't have to end up with rhinoceroses and human beings and whales. It could end up with anything.
And, for example, some people say how can an eye happen by accident? Because an eye has to evolve from something else very like an eye and it doesn't just happen because of a genetic mistake, and what is the use of half an eye? But half an eye is very useful because half an eye means that an animal can see half an animal that wants to eat it and get out of the way, and it will eat the animal that only has a third of an eye or 49% of an eye instead because it hasn't got out of the way quick enough, and the animal that is eaten won't have babies because it is dead. And 1% of an eye is better than no eye.
And people who believe in God think God has put human beings on the earth because they think human being are the best animal, but human beings are just an animal and they will evolve into another animal, and that animal will be cleverer and it will put human beings into a zoo, like we put chimpanzees and gorillas in a zoo. Or human beings will all catch a disease and die out or they will make too much pollution and kill themselves, and then there will only be insects in the world and they will be the best animal."
-- Mark Haddon
But anyway, I don't necessarily believe the Big Bang was the beginning of time and space and matter. But our brains seem ill equipped to conceive of possible realities that don't have such things. It's weird to even think of there being time in the Big Bang cause there would just be so much gravity and space and time would be mixed up together.
Well I don't think they're just saying there was nothing before it. They're just no real working theory to what existed before the universe itself. We believe it had a beginning. Of that, we are all sure. But we've never really been able to make theories on what it all was before the universe.
The problem about the begining of te universe or the start is that we are not sure if this whole big bang theory is a cycle that repeates itself every 15 billion years, a cycle of expansion and then collision. If it is a cycle then it could be infinite, or just timeless. Just like when you look at our planet, its just 1 out of billions of stars and planets out there, maybe our whole universe is just a small dot in a sea of universes that keep repeating a never-ending cycle.
By the way, scientists today claim that they can see the end of the universe, or atleast a place where no light comes from which is basically a "space". With today's technology using radiation telescopes we can see as far as 14 billion light years away from earth. The problem with this kind of distance is that its almost not relevant since the light we see is light that traveled and it took it 14 billion light years to reach us, or atleast the lense of our telescope.
I think the universe could just be infinite. Cause how can space, open space possibly end. How can there be an end to it. Cause if you found the edge of the universe, or at least what we perceive to be the universe, there is still something beyond that isn't there? How can there not be?
I think the universe could just be infinite. Cause how can space, open space possibly end. How can there be an end to it. Cause if you found the edge of the universe, or at least what we perceive to be the universe, there is still something beyond that isn't there? How can there not be?
I think that if there is actually a "space" which is totally empty, it will be infinite. I mean if there is nothing, this nothing will not end... Because its nothing.
Yeah but doesn't the nothingness even imply something is there? Like there can be no end to empty space. If there is an end to it, then something is blocking it, meaning that whatever is blocking it is also a thing and that will also go on forever.
But I made this after reading a poll about believing in God, or a deity.
I personally believe in most parts of the Big Bang, but I believe in God, and that God is the reason the Big Bang happened...
I will justify when I have more time, but I would like to see your own comments/debate/argument on the sort.
The theory is a difficult one to disprove though. So I wouldn't just say I believe in it because it hasn't been disproved yet. From an observational point of view, it generally seems true, but we done know if it's part of a cycle where the universe expands and contracts over and over again or if this was the first time. Things could have exploded in every direction or maybe they exploded like a shotgun blast. Only Lindsay Lohan really knows.
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Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
I can't really say I believe or disbelieve it, right now it seems more likely than not, it has more evidence of happening.
Do I believe that's what created all of existence though? No.
She sure likes vodka.
Happy?
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
If say, through a wormhole another dimension exists, can we really not say that other dimension is part of the existing universe?
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I guess if it's like most theories about alternate dimensions it's a copy where evil clones live and shit. So it'd be the same universe only... opposite or changed in some way? -.^ Well I believe in intelligent design I think is the term. SOMEONE had to think all this up.
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This.
Even though we're debating different aspects of it, it's the same damn discussion.
"Religion vs. Some kind of belief that isn't focused on deities"
I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
"People believe in God because the world is very complicated and they think it is very unlikely that anything as complicated as a flying squirrel or the human eye or a brain could happen by chance. But they should think logically and if they thought logically they would see that they can only ask this question because it has already happened and they exist. And there are billions of planets where there is no life, but there is no one on those planets with brains to notice. And it is like if everyone in the world was tossing coins eventually someone would get 5,698 heads in a row and they would think they were very special. But they wouldn't be because there would be millions of people who didn't get 5,698 heads.
And there is life on earth because of an accident. But it is a very special kind of accident. And for this accident to happen in a special way, there have to be 3 conditions. And these are
1. Things have to make copies of themselves (this is called Replication)
2. They have to make small mistakes when they do this (this is called Mutation)
3. These mistakes have to be the same in their copies (this is called Heretability)
And these conditions are very rare, but they are possible, and they cause life. And it just happens. But it doesn't have to end up with rhinoceroses and human beings and whales. It could end up with anything.
And, for example, some people say how can an eye happen by accident? Because an eye has to evolve from something else very like an eye and it doesn't just happen because of a genetic mistake, and what is the use of half an eye? But half an eye is very useful because half an eye means that an animal can see half an animal that wants to eat it and get out of the way, and it will eat the animal that only has a third of an eye or 49% of an eye instead because it hasn't got out of the way quick enough, and the animal that is eaten won't have babies because it is dead. And 1% of an eye is better than no eye.
And people who believe in God think God has put human beings on the earth because they think human being are the best animal, but human beings are just an animal and they will evolve into another animal, and that animal will be cleverer and it will put human beings into a zoo, like we put chimpanzees and gorillas in a zoo. Or human beings will all catch a disease and die out or they will make too much pollution and kill themselves, and then there will only be insects in the world and they will be the best animal."
-- Mark Haddon
But anyway, I don't necessarily believe the Big Bang was the beginning of time and space and matter. But our brains seem ill equipped to conceive of possible realities that don't have such things. It's weird to even think of there being time in the Big Bang cause there would just be so much gravity and space and time would be mixed up together.
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Some sort of greater being, yes. Even if that just just means some aliens made us as an experiment.
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I think that if there is actually a "space" which is totally empty, it will be infinite. I mean if there is nothing, this nothing will not end... Because its nothing.
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