I found a skorn a while ago and it increased my DPS by a whole lot. I've still been using a WW build switching between overpower and rend since I have pretty decent AR. Should I stick with a WW build with the skorn or get rid of it and try to DW? Should I keep the skorn and try a different build?
I know I have no IAS boosts, should I focus on that? With passives my CC chance is 53% and damage is 417%
I only have 12% movement speed since to get lacuni's anywhere near the stats my bracers have is 100's of millions.
I have about 70 mil right now with some stuff on the AH that should get me close to 100mil. What would you do!
Well i also use a skorn and have been for a really long time. You can check my build in my signature. It's a really unusual build but have been playing it since paragon 5-ish. I don't there's even 5 people that play this build But you can try it and see how it's working for you!
Basically the only fury spender I have is Rend, so my fury is 99% of the time full. So I use "Berserker Rage" which gives you 25% more dmg when at full fury. So my unbuffed dps is 135k and at full fury it jumps to 220k, which is a really big leap!
1 - Use War cry and Battle Rage.
2 - Use Furious Charge with Merciless Assault Rune (-2 per enemy hit). So when I hit 5 or more enemies with that, I spam that till there's less than 5 left. (A good whirlwind replacement I think.)
3 - Then you use Leap with Iron Impact to boost armor for 3 sec and Rend or whatever way you want to use it.
4 - Rest of enemies I Bash. And what I like about the Onslaught rune is that basically do more than 200% w-dmg. With this rune the enemies always fly when killed, which gives me satisfaction
I haven't done any Alkazier runs or any runs to see how much exp/hour I get, cause that doesn't concern me at all.
Well i also use a skorn and have been for a really long time. You can check my build in my signature. It's a really unusual build but have been playing it since paragon 5-ish. I don't there's even 5 people that play this build But you can try it and see how it's working for you!
Basically the only fury spender I have is Rend, so my fury is 99% of the time full. So I use "Berserker Rage" which gives you 25% more dmg when at full fury. So my unbuffed dps is 135k and at full fury it jumps to 220k, which is a really big leap!
1 - Use War cry and Battle Rage.
2 - Use Furious Charge with Merciless Assault Rune (-2 per enemy hit). So when I hit 5 or more enemies with that, I spam that till there's less than 5 left. (A good whirlwind replacement I think.)
3 - Then you use Leap with Iron Impact to boost armor for 3 sec and Rend or whatever way you want to use it.
4 - Rest of enemies I Bash. And what I like about the Onslaught rune is that basically do more than 200% w-dmg. With this rune the enemies always fly when killed, which gives me satisfaction
I haven't done any Alkazier runs or any runs to see how much exp/hour I get, cause that doesn't concern me at all.
interesting build. I might have to try it or some close variation. Have you tried using WOTB also? max fury with WOTB might give you some pretty insane damage.
I'm not worried about exp/hour either mainly just farming for good loot and the paragons come along with it. How is playing without sprint? it has to be a lot slower than with it...
exp/hr directly relates to good loot per hour since they both stem from killing the most amount of things as fast as possible. I won't try to turn this into an "efficiency" debate, but I just want to make sure that you understand that your build is ONLY for "fun" because you aren't more effective at farming loot either.
@OP, using a Skorn is fine (it usually results in a huge dps upgrade as you noticed) but the problem you're going to encounter with it is the massive decrease in attack speed. A loss of attack speed will directly result in less fury generated/sec, less crits/sec (which indirectly leads to less fury generation as well) and less "HP recovery" from things like LOH and Life steal. You can make up for some of that by wearing legendaries and other items that increase your attack speed, but as you also mentioned, you might be taking some stat loss or shelling out huge sums of money. You can get attack speed on your helm and crit chance from Andariel's Visage cheap (with ehp loss). You should be able to add IAS to your amulet and left ring without forking over an arm and a leg too. A Witching hour belt is almost certainly a huge DPS gain for you, but might be out of your price range with high str (I'm not sure if you can even get one with life steal and AR). Your Skorn should be able to cheaply be replaced by one with massive Str instead of Int. Last but not least, yes you should look into getting more move speed. I think 24% move speed is mandatory for anyone wanting to spend less time playing this game for more reward.
I promise this is the last I'll say on efficiency... High DPS and farming at the lowest MP you can breeze through elites is by far the most rewarding experience from a loot/exp perspective. It is definitely more fun to bash away at elites on MP4, but you will get several times the good loot just breezing through MP0.
For the love of God, get a hellfire ring!!! Paragon leveling is the #1 thing on everyone's list to get more/better loot!
JKlimek, thanks for the advice. you are absolutely right about the lose of attach speed and fury generation with my skorn. It is why I don't use thrive on chaos as it just isn't worth it.
I might try to get more movement speed out of inna's pants as I can get 12% and some IAS, I'm going to lose AR ands Vit though. and a good pair is prettty pricey
I guess I just need to find some sweet gear I can wear or sell for a billion!
Well i also use a skorn and have been for a really long time. You can check my build in my signature. It's a really unusual build but have been playing it since paragon 5-ish. I don't there's even 5 people that play this build But you can try it and see how it's working for you!
Basically the only fury spender I have is Rend, so my fury is 99% of the time full. So I use "Berserker Rage" which gives you 25% more dmg when at full fury. So my unbuffed dps is 135k and at full fury it jumps to 220k, which is a really big leap!
1 - Use War cry and Battle Rage.
2 - Use Furious Charge with Merciless Assault Rune (-2 per enemy hit). So when I hit 5 or more enemies with that, I spam that till there's less than 5 left. (A good whirlwind replacement I think.)
3 - Then you use Leap with Iron Impact to boost armor for 3 sec and Rend or whatever way you want to use it.
4 - Rest of enemies I Bash. And what I like about the Onslaught rune is that basically do more than 200% w-dmg. With this rune the enemies always fly when killed, which gives me satisfaction
I haven't done any Alkazier runs or any runs to see how much exp/hour I get, cause that doesn't concern me at all.
interesting build. I might have to try it or some close variation. Have you tried using WOTB also? max fury with WOTB might give you some pretty insane damage.
I'm not worried about exp/hour either mainly just farming for good loot and the paragons come along with it. How is playing without sprint? it has to be a lot slower than with it...
Mmm, never tried it with WOTB (I'm assuming with Thrive on Chaos rune for longevity or Insanity for pure 15sec dmg?). 2 one handers with some skills/passive which generated addition fury will obviously work better. I've also tried adding HOTA to the build (for 1% CC for every 5 fury), but doesn't work well...too slow imo. But I will try it out and report back!
The thing is, I play either in pub games or with friends, and even without Sprint I tend to be faster than the others; not cause of the build but I just don't like standing around waiting
I was using the exact same build several months ago on my barb before I switched back to monk. This had been popular 2H build here at diablofans before paragons were introduced.
It can be done with WotB, but the strength of the spec is that you don't need to rely on it at all, skip it and have the same power all the time.
It is completely different gameplay than ww/sprint builds. It is indeed quite slower, but the kill speed of combined rend, charging and bash:onslaught is very good. Charging through pack of mobs back and forth is pretty fun, especially when you interrupt their animations with it. If you don't look only at pure movement speed, mobility is great seeing you can charge out of jailers and leap from walls etc. Imo the build feels way more "barbarianish" then the 24/7 spin mode of ww specs. The loot/xp effeciency is lower ofc.
If you wanna have some fun, try it. Nothing feels better when "it hits like a truck" and you are the truck;)
Indeed. I saw this build on here as well. Before that my barb felt weak and wasn't much fun playing with even if I killed the enemies fast. This build makes you feel so powerful and that is what makes it fun to play.
Not only the kill speed, but the survivability of it is immense. With Rend + LL weapon and/or belt + leap + furious charge you almost can't die. I've only played MP6 as the highest and even with my current belt I rarely die. I do have a belt which gives me +72all res and +6k life before, but changed it for my current one.
If it's XP farming, you want to DW and go with a Sprint/WW build at MP0-1.
If it's uber/key/loot farming at high MP, well you can stick with DW but a nice Skorn is good here too. I run a HOTA build for MP8 runs when I feel like doing something different.
If it's XP farming, you want to DW and go with a Sprint/WW build at MP0-1.
If it's uber/key/loot farming at high MP, well you can stick with DW but a nice Skorn is good here too. I run a HOTA build for MP8 runs when I feel like doing something different.
I really just want to keep improving my character. I just like farming gear and finding good items. I'm not worried about maximizing xp/hour, paragon levels will come as they do.
I've been just running act 2 & 3 routes, typical routes everyone is doing, mainly in mp4 as mp5 I start dying more. I guess I should probably lower the mp to be more efficient resulting in more loot.
when I found the skorn I figured I would use it for a while until I got enough money to go back to DW. I didn't realize it was going to cost multiple 100's of millions to get 2 decent one handers. So I've stuck with the skorn for longer than I wanted.
I could go out and get a skorn with 400+ strength, 1400ish damage, 180+ CHD for like 50 mil, but I'm not sure if that is a waste in the long term.
decisions decisions!
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I found a skorn a while ago and it increased my DPS by a whole lot. I've still been using a WW build switching between overpower and rend since I have pretty decent AR. Should I stick with a WW build with the skorn or get rid of it and try to DW? Should I keep the skorn and try a different build?
I know I have no IAS boosts, should I focus on that? With passives my CC chance is 53% and damage is 417%
I only have 12% movement speed since to get lacuni's anywhere near the stats my bracers have is 100's of millions.
I have about 70 mil right now with some stuff on the AH that should get me close to 100mil. What would you do!
Basically the only fury spender I have is Rend, so my fury is 99% of the time full. So I use "Berserker Rage" which gives you 25% more dmg when at full fury. So my unbuffed dps is 135k and at full fury it jumps to 220k, which is a really big leap!
1 - Use War cry and Battle Rage.
2 - Use Furious Charge with Merciless Assault Rune (-2 per enemy hit). So when I hit 5 or more enemies with that, I spam that till there's less than 5 left. (A good whirlwind replacement I think.)
3 - Then you use Leap with Iron Impact to boost armor for 3 sec and Rend or whatever way you want to use it.
4 - Rest of enemies I Bash. And what I like about the Onslaught rune is that basically do more than 200% w-dmg. With this rune the enemies always fly when killed, which gives me satisfaction
I haven't done any Alkazier runs or any runs to see how much exp/hour I get, cause that doesn't concern me at all.
interesting build. I might have to try it or some close variation. Have you tried using WOTB also? max fury with WOTB might give you some pretty insane damage.
I'm not worried about exp/hour either mainly just farming for good loot and the paragons come along with it. How is playing without sprint? it has to be a lot slower than with it...
@OP, using a Skorn is fine (it usually results in a huge dps upgrade as you noticed) but the problem you're going to encounter with it is the massive decrease in attack speed. A loss of attack speed will directly result in less fury generated/sec, less crits/sec (which indirectly leads to less fury generation as well) and less "HP recovery" from things like LOH and Life steal. You can make up for some of that by wearing legendaries and other items that increase your attack speed, but as you also mentioned, you might be taking some stat loss or shelling out huge sums of money. You can get attack speed on your helm and crit chance from Andariel's Visage cheap (with ehp loss). You should be able to add IAS to your amulet and left ring without forking over an arm and a leg too. A Witching hour belt is almost certainly a huge DPS gain for you, but might be out of your price range with high str (I'm not sure if you can even get one with life steal and AR). Your Skorn should be able to cheaply be replaced by one with massive Str instead of Int. Last but not least, yes you should look into getting more move speed. I think 24% move speed is mandatory for anyone wanting to spend less time playing this game for more reward.
I promise this is the last I'll say on efficiency... High DPS and farming at the lowest MP you can breeze through elites is by far the most rewarding experience from a loot/exp perspective. It is definitely more fun to bash away at elites on MP4, but you will get several times the good loot just breezing through MP0.
For the love of God, get a hellfire ring!!! Paragon leveling is the #1 thing on everyone's list to get more/better loot!
I might try to get more movement speed out of inna's pants as I can get 12% and some IAS, I'm going to lose AR ands Vit though. and a good pair is prettty pricey
I guess I just need to find some sweet gear I can wear or sell for a billion!
Mmm, never tried it with WOTB (I'm assuming with Thrive on Chaos rune for longevity or Insanity for pure 15sec dmg?). 2 one handers with some skills/passive which generated addition fury will obviously work better. I've also tried adding HOTA to the build (for 1% CC for every 5 fury), but doesn't work well...too slow imo. But I will try it out and report back!
The thing is, I play either in pub games or with friends, and even without Sprint I tend to be faster than the others; not cause of the build but I just don't like standing around waiting
But let me know how it is for you.
Indeed. I saw this build on here as well. Before that my barb felt weak and wasn't much fun playing with even if I killed the enemies fast. This build makes you feel so powerful and that is what makes it fun to play.
Not only the kill speed, but the survivability of it is immense. With Rend + LL weapon and/or belt + leap + furious charge you almost can't die. I've only played MP6 as the highest and even with my current belt I rarely die. I do have a belt which gives me +72all res and +6k life before, but changed it for my current one.
Oh and do you need potions:
If it's XP farming, you want to DW and go with a Sprint/WW build at MP0-1.
If it's uber/key/loot farming at high MP, well you can stick with DW but a nice Skorn is good here too. I run a HOTA build for MP8 runs when I feel like doing something different.
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I really just want to keep improving my character. I just like farming gear and finding good items. I'm not worried about maximizing xp/hour, paragon levels will come as they do.
I've been just running act 2 & 3 routes, typical routes everyone is doing, mainly in mp4 as mp5 I start dying more. I guess I should probably lower the mp to be more efficient resulting in more loot.
when I found the skorn I figured I would use it for a while until I got enough money to go back to DW. I didn't realize it was going to cost multiple 100's of millions to get 2 decent one handers. So I've stuck with the skorn for longer than I wanted.
I could go out and get a skorn with 400+ strength, 1400ish damage, 180+ CHD for like 50 mil, but I'm not sure if that is a waste in the long term.
decisions decisions!