Also, LAN play and Battle.net are not mutually exclusive. Why do people portray this? Personally, I used both. As a result, I'll still buy the game, but why are people assuming that anyone who hates Battle.net must be a pirate? I know plenty of people who purchased the game but prefer LAN play always.
People also play pirated D2 on private servers and over Hamachi. Excluding LAN from D3 will make both impossible. Damn right it's going to prevent piracy. Go ahead and pirate it and play it for yourself like an idiot. Apologist or not, I am fucking glad.
I am only feeling a little sorry for two of my friends who traditionally played D2 with each other via LAN, and one of them actually never purchased the game. I will just buy a copy of D3 for each of them as a present, when it gets out.
Yeah I agree with you.. also the people that complain they can't play with their friends in multiplayer.. why can't they log in to battle.net and make an own channel and private games.. it is 99% the same experience as lan.
If this were true I wouldn't have an issue with it.
The problem, though, is that I don't want to rely on a service that I don't like, didn't enjoy using, and found was terrible in order to play with my friends. I don't want to log in to a server to play a character by myself in order to catch up with my friends who played. I just want to play my single player character with them.
Let me be honest.
I'll never, ever play with anyone I don't know in real life. Not once. Not ever. Diablo players are generally terrible people online. Not that you guys are, but we make up like... half a percent of the Diablo players.
There's not a reason I would ever want to connect to a server to play a character I'd want to play by myself. I don't want to have to make every one of my characters online and play exclusively online just in case I decide "Hey, I want to play my Witch Doctor with you guys today instead of my Barbarian". If LAN exists, I can do this.
I can do this with open B.Net as well, but I have a feeling this won't exist.
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People also play pirated D2 on private servers and over Hamachi. Excluding LAN from D3 will make both impossible. Damn right it's going to prevent piracy. Go ahead and pirate it and play it for yourself like an idiot. Apologist or not, I am fucking glad.
I am only feeling a little sorry for two of my friends who traditionally played D2 with each other via LAN, and one of them actually never purchased the game. I will just buy a copy of D3 for each of them as a present, when it gets out.
You're also ignoring the people who change where they connect online, using different servers to play online.
You're not stopping piracy unless you require an internet connection to play A-La Steam. Otherwise, you're still offering a solid single player experience, which is what the real sell of Diablo is.
And even then, there are ways around stuff like that.
People also play pirated D2 on private servers and over Hamachi. Excluding LAN from D3 will make both impossible.
Excluding LAN would generate home-made LAN and decrease DIII sales by the amount of people unhappy with Blizzard's LAN treatment and wishing to play LAN.
Your only point here is that you don't need LAN. And since you don't need LAN, nobody else should have it. Egoistical logic, nothing more. So just say that you don't want LAN and be done with it instead of trying to weasel your way out...
Excluding LAN would generate home-made LAN and decrease DIII sales by the amount of people unhappy with Blizzard's LAN treatment and wishing to play LAN.
Pirates pirate. That's what they do. What else is new?
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Your only point here is that you don't need LAN. And since you don't need LAN, nobody else should have it. Egoistical logic, nothing more. So just say that you don't want LAN and be done with it instead of trying to weasel your way out...
Nobody needs LAN. Everybody likes to cry. That is the bottom line.
Pirates pirate. That's what they do. What else is new?
Didn't you just say that removing LAN would eliminate piracy? I am saying that LAN will be added because people want to play it, and those people that wanted to buy the game and play LAN like legitimate users will have no reason to do so if Blizzard fucks them up with "well we wanted to stop piracy so we cut LAN..."
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Nobody needs LAN.
That's false and you know it.
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Everybody likes to cry.
I think it's you who's crying, worried about all the "pirates" and about Blizzard's precious income? lol
Didn't you just say that removing LAN would eliminate piracy?
Of course it would. The online playerbase will be the legitimate playerbase. Those who pirated it to play in SP exclusively will be irrelevant. So let them make a home-brew LAN support as you suggested. I'll just point my finger at them and laugh.
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That's false and you know it.
Not false. There's nothing you can do on LAN that you can't on bnet. Except play it pirated, of course.
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I think it's you who's crying, worried about all the "pirates" and about Blizzard's precious income? lol
Oh I dunno. People who rushed to complain in this thread? I'm not the one worried here, trust me.
The online playerbase will be the legitimate playerbase.
Um, the online playerbase is not at all related to LAN and it will be legitimate anyway.
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Those who pirated it to play in SP exclusively will be irrelevant. So let them make a home-brew LAN support as you suggested. I'll just point my finger at them and laugh.
You can do whatever you want. Except those people will be the people who would have otherwise bought the game. Get it?
Player wants LAN. Game offers him LAN. He buys the game.
Player wants LAN. Game offers him no LAN. Pirates offer him LAN. He's mad and he pirates.
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Not false. There's nothing you can do on LAN that you can't on bnet.
Hmm, let's see:
connection between comps without internet > LAN parties
lower lag
mods
SP play support (e.g. you don't have to play on bnet to play with other people)
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Oh I dunno. People who rushed to complain in this thread? I'm not the one worried here, trust me.
Why are you so zealous in attacking anyone who wants LAN, then? I mean, if you weren't worried, you wouldn't even be here.
But you jump around like a mad bull calling every LAN player a pirate, lol
You can do whatever you want. Except those people will be the people who would have otherwise bought the game. Get it?
Oh yes. Are you their leader by any chance? Or maybe clairvoyant? That's some mighty knowledge you got there.
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Player wants LAN. Game offers him LAN. He buys the game.
Player wants LAN. Game offers him no LAN. Pirates offer him LAN. He's mad and he pirates.
Priceless.
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Hmm, let's see:
connection between comps without internet > LAN parties
lower lag
mods
SP play support (e.g. you don't have to play on bnet to play with other people)
- You can't know about the quality of the new bnet service
- Mods were never supported and never will be supported
- SP play support = hack support? Nice. Who gives a shit though?
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Why are you so zealous in attacking anyone who wants LAN, then? I mean, if you weren't worried, you wouldn't even be here.
Why would I be worried? My experience will not be compromised whatever happens. In fact I'm exhilarated to learn that you and your friends can't steal the game and exploit Blizzard's generosity.
It's not a question of bandwidth. The problem is that multiple computers cannot access Battlenet from the same internet connection. We have tried already...
you cant access the battle.net with the same cd-key twice. if you play with the same cd-key over lan its piracy aswell.
i think i mentioned in another thread that was about it that lan doesnt really matter anymore. Its only interesting for people that play in net cafes to make lan parties and maybe tournaments, but regular users will be able to do the exact same thing over battle.net. Nothing vital would be removed and as long as it was one way to pirate the game, use hacks on closed battle.net and even make private servers, well, i'll be happy to see it out of the way.
think i mentioned in another thread that was about it that lan doesnt really matter anymore. Its only interesting for people that play in net cafes to make lan parties and maybe tournaments
Yeah, in other words:
"I don't care about anyone really so let's remove LAN despite how easy it is to put it in."
We all know most people play on battle.net. Fine. But some of us don't. Give us LAN, please.
By your logic, Blizzard should never do games like DIII. WoW's lot more popular... most people play WoW... most people play on Bnet... so let's just make WoW.
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Oh yes. Are you their leader by any chance? Or maybe clairvoyant? That's some mighty knowledge you got there.
Are you some lawful zealot or something?
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- You can't know about the quality of the new bnet service
Neither can you. But I can tell you one thing. It will lag. To some extent, it always will.
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- Mods were never supported and never will be supported
DII mods work perfectly fine over lan. Just because Blizzard doesn't support anything doesn't mean it won't be there. Same thing with lan. Just because Blizzard removes it doesn't mean nobody will add it later.
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- SP play support = hack support? Nice. Who gives a shit though?
Hack support? It's SP, you silly. SINGLE PLAYER. It's not competitive.
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Why would I be worried?
You're posting in this thread like a zealot. Hence, you're worried. If you are not worried, stop posting here.
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In fact I'm exhilarated to learn that you and your friends can't steal the game and exploit Blizzard's generosity.
My family bought WCII, WCIII, DI, Hellfire, DII, DII LOD, SC, and SC:BW, so shut up please before you make false statements about people.
Let me tell you this, too. I bought all those. And guess what? I'm an SP player.
"I don't care about anyone really so let's remove LAN despite how easy it is to put it in."
What does it have to do with anything how easy it is to implement it? The reasons are practical - something that you may well understand when you grow up. Blizzard does what they know is best, not what they think is easy to do.
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Are you some lawful zealot or something?
Yeah.
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My family bought WCII, WCIII, DI, Hellfire, DII, DII LOD, SC, and SC:BW, so shut up please before you make false statements about people.
Let me guess - one whole happy family playing D2 over LAN using a single legal copy. Heard that one one too many times
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You're posting in this thread like a zealot. Hence, you're worried. If you are not worried, stop posting here.
Uhhhh... I should stop posting on this forum unless I'm worried? In other words, I am not supposed to post unless I'm gonna cry? Sorry buddy. I'm not going to post just when I feel like crying about Blizzard hurting my feelings. That's what you do, not me.
What does it have to do with anything how easy it is to implement it? The reasons are practical - something that you may well understand when you grow up. Blizzard does what they know is best, not what they think is easy to do.
Yeah.
Let me guess - one whole happy family playing D2 over LAN using a single legal copy. Heard that one one too many times
Uhhhh... I should stop posting on this forum unless I'm worried? In other words, I am not supposed to post unless I'm gonna cry? Sorry buddy. I'm not going to post just when I feel like crying about Blizzard hurting my feelings. That's what you do, not me.
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I mean, you guys have to admit it is a crap ass translation, totally unprofessional and we are basically half guessing what the fuck he meant.
Now Keep in mind that Blizzard always effectively dodges simple questions by twisting and playing with words instead of giving plain answers, so not to pre release any information on unresolved game issues.
And then basically use a shitty translation to bring it back to English with all it's nuances, and this is what we have.
You guys are really jumping the gun. Until I hear the words "There will be NO Lan based feature in D3" coming out of Jay Wilson's mouth, I won't think much of the issue.
That isn't the issue anymore. Whether there will actually be LAN or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fools who would simply accept (even welcome) the lack of LAN functionality in diablo 3. Those who make up false arguments about every single thing blizzard does, twisting it to appear just and correct, when in reality blizzard has made a number of terrible decisions about diablo 3 already. It's very revealing when even the most outrageous of negative changes (no LAN funcionality, pay2play, microtransactions, regardless of whether they are actually going to happen or not) are accepted, even welcomed, as positive ones.
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Let me guess - one whole happy family playing D2 over LAN using a single legal copy. Heard that one one too many times
My parents have never touched multiplayer in any form. They despise it. I only played Hamachi lan (with people outside of my household and sometimes country) or TCP/IP, which is perfectly legal... again, you're making assumptions. Stop trying to accuse me of something I don't do.
Dimebog, you do realize there are hacked Bnet servers out there as well? Over 2500 people playing in one of my local ones right now. Taking out LAN wont stop piracy, it might reduce sales though. I bought my copy of D2 after playing a "pirate" (passed around) version at a lan party.
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I am only feeling a little sorry for two of my friends who traditionally played D2 with each other via LAN, and one of them actually never purchased the game. I will just buy a copy of D3 for each of them as a present, when it gets out.
If this were true I wouldn't have an issue with it.
The problem, though, is that I don't want to rely on a service that I don't like, didn't enjoy using, and found was terrible in order to play with my friends. I don't want to log in to a server to play a character by myself in order to catch up with my friends who played. I just want to play my single player character with them.
Let me be honest.
I'll never, ever play with anyone I don't know in real life. Not once. Not ever. Diablo players are generally terrible people online. Not that you guys are, but we make up like... half a percent of the Diablo players.
There's not a reason I would ever want to connect to a server to play a character I'd want to play by myself. I don't want to have to make every one of my characters online and play exclusively online just in case I decide "Hey, I want to play my Witch Doctor with you guys today instead of my Barbarian". If LAN exists, I can do this.
I can do this with open B.Net as well, but I have a feeling this won't exist.
You're also ignoring the people who change where they connect online, using different servers to play online.
You're not stopping piracy unless you require an internet connection to play A-La Steam. Otherwise, you're still offering a solid single player experience, which is what the real sell of Diablo is.
And even then, there are ways around stuff like that.
Your only point here is that you don't need LAN. And since you don't need LAN, nobody else should have it. Egoistical logic, nothing more. So just say that you don't want LAN and be done with it instead of trying to weasel your way out...
Nobody needs LAN. Everybody likes to cry. That is the bottom line.
That's false and you know it.
I think it's you who's crying, worried about all the "pirates" and about Blizzard's precious income? lol
Not false. There's nothing you can do on LAN that you can't on bnet. Except play it pirated, of course.
Oh I dunno. People who rushed to complain in this thread? I'm not the one worried here, trust me.
You can do whatever you want. Except those people will be the people who would have otherwise bought the game. Get it?
Player wants LAN. Game offers him LAN. He buys the game.
Player wants LAN. Game offers him no LAN. Pirates offer him LAN. He's mad and he pirates.
Hmm, let's see:
connection between comps without internet > LAN parties
lower lag
mods
SP play support (e.g. you don't have to play on bnet to play with other people)
Why are you so zealous in attacking anyone who wants LAN, then? I mean, if you weren't worried, you wouldn't even be here.
But you jump around like a mad bull calling every LAN player a pirate, lol
Priceless.
- You can't know about the quality of the new bnet service
- Mods were never supported and never will be supported
- SP play support = hack support? Nice. Who gives a shit though?
Why would I be worried? My experience will not be compromised whatever happens. In fact I'm exhilarated to learn that you and your friends can't steal the game and exploit Blizzard's generosity.
you cant access the battle.net with the same cd-key twice. if you play with the same cd-key over lan its piracy aswell.
i think i mentioned in another thread that was about it that lan doesnt really matter anymore. Its only interesting for people that play in net cafes to make lan parties and maybe tournaments, but regular users will be able to do the exact same thing over battle.net. Nothing vital would be removed and as long as it was one way to pirate the game, use hacks on closed battle.net and even make private servers, well, i'll be happy to see it out of the way.
"I don't care about anyone really so let's remove LAN despite how easy it is to put it in."
We all know most people play on battle.net. Fine. But some of us don't. Give us LAN, please.
By your logic, Blizzard should never do games like DIII. WoW's lot more popular... most people play WoW... most people play on Bnet... so let's just make WoW.
Are you some lawful zealot or something?
Neither can you. But I can tell you one thing. It will lag. To some extent, it always will.
DII mods work perfectly fine over lan. Just because Blizzard doesn't support anything doesn't mean it won't be there. Same thing with lan. Just because Blizzard removes it doesn't mean nobody will add it later.
Hack support? It's SP, you silly. SINGLE PLAYER. It's not competitive.
You're posting in this thread like a zealot. Hence, you're worried. If you are not worried, stop posting here.
My family bought WCII, WCIII, DI, Hellfire, DII, DII LOD, SC, and SC:BW, so shut up please before you make false statements about people.
Let me tell you this, too. I bought all those. And guess what? I'm an SP player.
Yeah.
Let me guess - one whole happy family playing D2 over LAN using a single legal copy. Heard that one one too many times
Uhhhh... I should stop posting on this forum unless I'm worried? In other words, I am not supposed to post unless I'm gonna cry? Sorry buddy. I'm not going to post just when I feel like crying about Blizzard hurting my feelings. That's what you do, not me.
Want a cookie?
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
That isn't the issue anymore. Whether there will actually be LAN or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fools who would simply accept (even welcome) the lack of LAN functionality in diablo 3. Those who make up false arguments about every single thing blizzard does, twisting it to appear just and correct, when in reality blizzard has made a number of terrible decisions about diablo 3 already. It's very revealing when even the most outrageous of negative changes (no LAN funcionality, pay2play, microtransactions, regardless of whether they are actually going to happen or not) are accepted, even welcomed, as positive ones.
"Because "half-assed" is not a "style"." - DragoonWraith, champion of character customization and legimitate art direction in D3
plzz continue... lololl, i crack my self upp :thumbsup:
Want a cookie?
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask