From the trailer, I know for fact that Diablo is back. When he dies, he comes back in a much stronger form.
But that will most likely be act 3~4 boss. and the Sub-quest or the act boss will prob be Tyrael possessed by the demons.
I speculate that Diablo and his brothers are now one since there are 3 heads on his body.
In terms of how it ends? Hhhmm...Ya know, I honestly have no clue. Maybe it will be an ending like the other games or maybe it will be something completely off the wall like Diablo wins and kills us all lol.
Since the Sin War books were made specifically to install more lore, we may see a very epic ending that has something to do with Diablo and his legions, Tyrael and his council and the Nephalem between it all in one big clusterfuck.
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My prediction would be that after Hell invades Sanctuary (we know of the battle at Bastion's Keep already) and the forces of Hell are defeated, Hell will be weakened since it lost so many demons, and Heaven will lead a full scale invasion into Hell, you of course will be a part of it. There will be angels and demons fighting everywhere...and eventually you make your way to the deepest recesses, alone, and meet Diablo (fused together with Baal and Mephisto into one body) and defeat him. Hell has finally been defeated completely. That's the end of D3.
In the expansion, there will be signs of Hell taking root in Heaven as some important angels and archangels appear to be corrupted. That would take your fight to Heaven where you would eventually face Imperius, who was the most against keeping Sancutary intact from the start. That's Heaven cleansed of the demons and renegate angels who seek to destroy Sanctuary.
Another expansion could then be hunting down remaining demons hidden in Sanctuary, waiting for their moment. That could lead you to interesting revelations, like that an NPC that has been following you throughout the original D3 was in fact a demon and such.
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I agree, I think well kill the Big D but then once they are out of the way the natural thing is the Angels. Remember that the angels want to kill off humans almost as much as the demons do, or at least some of them. so once hell is defeated then the angels will run rampant on us because they'll have no further use for us humans. So i could see an expansion holding a high heavens fight alongside the good angels, tyrael etc. after that I can see a centuries down the road game for D4 where some dumbfuck ressurects him being promised an almighty power.
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I get it, everyone thinks Tyrael will be corrupted because he was there when the Worldstone was destroyed. I think it's a bogus idea, but there it is. What I cannot understand however is this constant idea people have of the three Prime Evils combining into one.
We've seen one cinematic clip of about 1 second that has Diablo in it, and in it he has two things that might be heads on his shoulders. And from that everyone draws the conclusion that it MUST be Baal and Mephisto. No one seems to be aware of the fact that Diablo is a shapeshifting beast that can take whatever form is the most horrifying.
It is not Mephisto and Baal, you've all been watching Power Rangers too much.
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Though it's true that Diablo can take any form he wants, in the games it has never ever happened that he, or any other demon for that matter, had more than one head. Diablo's features were usually quite similar between the games. Strong, muscular, purely demonic build, horns, claws and stuff. Mephisto was the skinny, skeleton-like type, Baal was somewhat insect/octopus like...just downright creepy, lots of limbs and tentacles and stuff. Now remember the spoiled draft of the Diablo model for D3? Suddenly he is kinda skinny (like Mephisto), has more limbs than is healthy (like Baal) and has three heads. There's something fishy going on there.
For me the thing that supports the 3 in 1 theory is the number of acts in D3. We already know that Belial will be the Act 2 boss. It would be downright ridiculous if the Act 1 boss was a Prime Evil; I think many people expect to see Azmodan there. That leaves us 2 more acts but three Prime Evils. I don't think they will go the same route as before, leaving one of the Prime Evils for the expansion. It worked in D2 because we never met the other Prime Evils. Here, it wouldn't be so much of a surprising experience anymore when we fight an already known boss in the expansion. That would mean that the Three have to be defeated in the last 2 Acts. So why not put them together, since either way you'd have to have at least two at once if you are to kill them all by end of D3? Now two or three at once in one fight would mean that the fight would be damn chaotic and the individual evils wouldn't get so much time to shine. But if you put them all together into one body, you can have the fight divided into three sections, one of the Prime Evils's powers emerging from the body every time. So first you fight Mephisto-version of the final boss, then the Baal and then the Diablo incarnation.
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My prediction would be that after Hell invades Sanctuary (we know of the battle at Bastion's Keep already) and the forces of Hell are defeated, Hell will be weakened since it lost so many demons, and Heaven will lead a full scale invasion into Hell, you of course will be a part of it. There will be angels and demons fighting everywhere...and eventually you make your way to the deepest recesses, alone, and meet Diablo (fused together with Baal and Mephisto into one body) and defeat him. Hell has finally been defeated completely. That's the end of D3.
In the expansion, there will be signs of Hell taking root in Heaven as some important angels and archangels appear to be corrupted. That would take your fight to Heaven where you would eventually face Imperius, who was the most against keeping Sancutary intact from the start. That's Heaven cleansed of the demons and renegate angels who seek to destroy Sanctuary.
Another expansion could then be hunting down remaining demons hidden in Sanctuary, waiting for their moment. That could lead you to interesting revelations, like that an NPC that has been following you throughout the original D3 was in fact a demon and such.
yeah i dig that, best storyline suggestion iv seen thusfar
Fighting 3 bosses at once then maybe they fuse together? as part of a phase fight? make it an interesting encounter. kinda like Ubers but then they band together.
I find that scenario highly unlikely. Mainly because they have already shown us diablo. If this was there plan, I would have imagined them saying something like: "with diablo and his brothers gone..." to fuel this idea further and surprise us in the expansion.
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They've already said that D3 will end the current story arc. That arc's probably the Prime Evil's plans to gain a foothold in Sanctuary to get an advantage in the Eternal Conflict.
I do hope that a possible expansion (or perhaps even the actual game) lets us fight angels. I really want to kill those self-righteous bastards.
@Doomscream: Yeah but I think that was just their usual way of mudding the waters. They have a tendency to make things look doubtful before they actually announce them. They never confirmed Diablo will be there so they are trolling the community into speculating that Diablo will not be in the game. They like to keep us guessing. But come on, that would be more ridiculous than the development of Duke Nukem Forever. It would be an internet joke for ages. We wait 10 years for another Diablo game and than it doesn't even have Diablo in it? That's absurd...even in the literal sense. It would be the gaming world's Waiting for Godot.
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Despite the lore of diablo concerning angles, I think that blizzard will have to find a very good reason for us to want to kill angels, possibly corruption like Marcus suggested. I think too many people would find it odd to be killing angles not to mention any real life implications this would cause issues with.
Don't get me wrong, I want to kill angels and with diablo's lore, there may be reason to. But the idea could be troubling for many. I know religous groups that already have a problem with the game and you are fighting demons from hell. Imagine the uproar if they turned it to a fight agains the heavens.
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Though it's true that Diablo can take any form he wants, in the games it has never ever happened that he, or any other demon for that matter, had more than one head.
Easily explained by the fact that Diablo has to date only been presented in that manner in the Sin War novels. Which are now the established top-tier canonical lore and will be leading up to the events in D3.
As for 2-headed demons, you need only look at the latest atwork released by Blizzard from the facebook likes.
Diablo's features were usually quite similar between the games. Strong, muscular, purely demonic build, horns, claws and stuff. Mephisto was the skinny, skeleton-like type, Baal was somewhat insect/octopus like...just downright creepy, lots of limbs and tentacles and stuff. Now remember the spoiled draft of the Diablo model for D3? Suddenly he is kinda skinny (like Mephisto), has more limbs than is healthy (like Baal) and has three heads. There's something fishy going on there.
Assuming that it's official, or still entirely accurate. And Mephisto's appearance in D2 does not reflect how he's described in the Sin War, most likely due to the fact that he possesses Sankekur in D2. The same argument can be made for Baal, although we have no idea of knowing what he looks like in the new cosmology. And if their aspects translated over to Diablo's body, shouldn't the heads reasonably show signs of this as well rather than just being nondescript mouths?
Now I will agree that I think their appearances in D2 hint at what they really look like. But it's a far leap to jump from that into them combining into one entity.
So why not put them together, since either way you'd have to have at least two at once if you are to kill them all by end of D3? Now two or three at once in one fight would mean that the fight would be damn chaotic and the individual evils wouldn't get so much time to shine. But if you put them all together into one body, you can have the fight divided into three sections, one of the Prime Evils's powers emerging from the body every time. So first you fight Mephisto-version of the final boss, then the Baal and then the Diablo incarnation.
It's still a tacky idea. As for having to fight them all, there are several other possibilities off the top of my head. You could fight them one at a time but all in the last act, you could fight all three but with something occupying two of them (like Tyrael helping you), you could only fight one of them, you could fight neither.
Perhaps the game will even put you in a situation where you can only fight one of them, and neglecting to fight the other two will have consequences for an eventual expansion. The key point here is still a matter of feel and not gameplay. Blizzard are by no means forced to combine the Three into one being in order to delived a good game or end fight, and so the decision to meld them together would be primarily an artistic one. Something I believe is not in their plans.
I am not intending to be a bubble-burster but how do you know that we will fight Diablo in the first installment of the game and not in some of the later expansions? Blizzard have tossed that thought on several occasions.
Blizzard says a lot of things. But I wouldn't rule this idea out entirely. I agree that would make a lot of sense to include Diablo in the game as the final boss, seeing as he is the titular character. But this is a problem, since he and his brothers are the very pinnacle of power in the lore, and coming up with a replacement for themis problematic.
I don't see it as too far-fetched to have Diablo present in the entire game (much like Arthas in WotLK) but leaving the fight for another expansion. I'm not saying this is more likely than fighting Diablo in the game (in fact I think we will), but it's not impossible.
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I get it, everyone thinks Tyrael will be corrupted because he was there when the Worldstone was destroyed. I think it's a bogus idea, but there it is. What I cannot understand however is this constant idea people have of the three Prime Evils combining into one.
We've seen one cinematic clip of about 1 second that has Diablo in it, and in it he has two things that might be heads on his shoulders. And from that everyone draws the conclusion that it MUST be Baal and Mephisto. No one seems to be aware of the fact that Diablo is a shapeshifting beast that can take whatever form is the most horrifying.
It is not Mephisto and Baal, you've all been watching Power Rangers too much.
I feel like....Diablo with Baal and Mephisto as shoulder pads IS the most horrifying form. Take that you silly dragon in ice! What kind of dragon gets itself frozen anyway? Ridiculous.lol...
OH, and by the way. You forgot one litttlleee tiny thing. We've been given a glimpse at what his entire body looks like remember? The video from inside Blizz HQ? Do you not remember that? Diablo no longer looks ANYTHING like his old body. Why? Because he's somewhat skinny...almost...skeletal. With..multiple arms right? Maybe a few protruding insect like things? Maybe it's because he looks pretty much exactly like what you would expect the 3 of them to look like combined.
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I feel like....Diablo with Baal and Mephisto as shoulder pads IS the most horrifying form. Take that you silly dragon in ice!
Fair enough. But if we're to go into that kind of meta-discussion, then techically it would only make Diablo look like he is combined with his brothers (like when he appears like Tyrael to Inarius), but it wouldn't actually change the fact that the Three are separate entities.
OH, and by the way. You forgot one litttlleee tiny thing. We've been given a glimpse at what his entire body looks like remember? The video from inside Blizz HQ? Do you not remember that? Diablo no longer looks ANYTHING like his old body.
That's where it came from? My bad, then it would seem to be official. My ealier point still stands however that from a gameplay perspective, the merging doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense from a pure lore perspective either, but no one is arguing in favor of that I think.
True, he is thin. But have you looked at Diablo's waist in D2? He ain't exactly fat. And I can't say I see tentacles on the image I'm looking at, just lots of spikes and something that looks like an extra set of arms. Which is weird since they look human rather than demonic. That suggests some sort of possession deal of a human, but I can't see how that's any more reasonable from what was revealed in the Sin War novels.
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As for Baal's soulstone, I think it might be possible it didn't actually need to be destroyed since it was different than Mephisto's and Diablo's. Diablo's and Mephisto's soulstones were capable of holding the entire essence of a Prime Evil. Though Mephisto's soulstone was later shattered into 8 pieces which embedded themselves in the Kurast High Council, hence the 7 corrupted High Council member bosses plus Sankekur, it was still strong enough to contain his essence. Baal's soulstone was broken when he was being captured and it wasn't strong enough to contain Baal anymore. The Horadrim had to place it into a human vessel, Tal Rasha, becacuse the stone itself couldn't hold Baal. Therefore, it is likely that Baal's stone didn't have to be destroyed because it couldn't contain Baal's essence anyway. What happened to Baal's spirit after his body died though, that's hard to tell. When Diablo died you could see his spirit going into the soulstone. After Baal dies, his spirit just kinda floats away.
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From the trailer, I know for fact that Diablo is back. When he dies, he comes back in a much stronger form.
But that will most likely be act 3~4 boss. and the Sub-quest or the act boss will prob be Tyrael possessed by the demons.
I speculate that Diablo and his brothers are now one since there are 3 heads on his body.
In terms of how it ends? Hhhmm...Ya know, I honestly have no clue. Maybe it will be an ending like the other games or maybe it will be something completely off the wall like Diablo wins and kills us all lol.
Since the Sin War books were made specifically to install more lore, we may see a very epic ending that has something to do with Diablo and his legions, Tyrael and his council and the Nephalem between it all in one big clusterfuck.
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• I believe Tyrael is 100% good. Perhaps you rescue him and he introduce a pathway to the high heavens, being the expansionpack.
• Im hungry now.
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In the expansion, there will be signs of Hell taking root in Heaven as some important angels and archangels appear to be corrupted. That would take your fight to Heaven where you would eventually face Imperius, who was the most against keeping Sancutary intact from the start. That's Heaven cleansed of the demons and renegate angels who seek to destroy Sanctuary.
Another expansion could then be hunting down remaining demons hidden in Sanctuary, waiting for their moment. That could lead you to interesting revelations, like that an NPC that has been following you throughout the original D3 was in fact a demon and such.
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We've seen one cinematic clip of about 1 second that has Diablo in it, and in it he has two things that might be heads on his shoulders. And from that everyone draws the conclusion that it MUST be Baal and Mephisto. No one seems to be aware of the fact that Diablo is a shapeshifting beast that can take whatever form is the most horrifying.
It is not Mephisto and Baal, you've all been watching Power Rangers too much.
For me the thing that supports the 3 in 1 theory is the number of acts in D3. We already know that Belial will be the Act 2 boss. It would be downright ridiculous if the Act 1 boss was a Prime Evil; I think many people expect to see Azmodan there. That leaves us 2 more acts but three Prime Evils. I don't think they will go the same route as before, leaving one of the Prime Evils for the expansion. It worked in D2 because we never met the other Prime Evils. Here, it wouldn't be so much of a surprising experience anymore when we fight an already known boss in the expansion. That would mean that the Three have to be defeated in the last 2 Acts. So why not put them together, since either way you'd have to have at least two at once if you are to kill them all by end of D3? Now two or three at once in one fight would mean that the fight would be damn chaotic and the individual evils wouldn't get so much time to shine. But if you put them all together into one body, you can have the fight divided into three sections, one of the Prime Evils's powers emerging from the body every time. So first you fight Mephisto-version of the final boss, then the Baal and then the Diablo incarnation.
yeah i dig that, best storyline suggestion iv seen thusfar
Fighting 3 bosses at once then maybe they fuse together? as part of a phase fight? make it an interesting encounter. kinda like Ubers but then they band together.
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I do hope that a possible expansion (or perhaps even the actual game) lets us fight angels. I really want to kill those self-righteous bastards.
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Don't get me wrong, I want to kill angels and with diablo's lore, there may be reason to. But the idea could be troubling for many. I know religous groups that already have a problem with the game and you are fighting demons from hell. Imagine the uproar if they turned it to a fight agains the heavens.
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Assuming that it's official, or still entirely accurate. And Mephisto's appearance in D2 does not reflect how he's described in the Sin War, most likely due to the fact that he possesses Sankekur in D2. The same argument can be made for Baal, although we have no idea of knowing what he looks like in the new cosmology. And if their aspects translated over to Diablo's body, shouldn't the heads reasonably show signs of this as well rather than just being nondescript mouths?
Now I will agree that I think their appearances in D2 hint at what they really look like. But it's a far leap to jump from that into them combining into one entity.
It's still a tacky idea. As for having to fight them all, there are several other possibilities off the top of my head. You could fight them one at a time but all in the last act, you could fight all three but with something occupying two of them (like Tyrael helping you), you could only fight one of them, you could fight neither.
Perhaps the game will even put you in a situation where you can only fight one of them, and neglecting to fight the other two will have consequences for an eventual expansion. The key point here is still a matter of feel and not gameplay. Blizzard are by no means forced to combine the Three into one being in order to delived a good game or end fight, and so the decision to meld them together would be primarily an artistic one. Something I believe is not in their plans.
Blizzard says a lot of things. But I wouldn't rule this idea out entirely. I agree that would make a lot of sense to include Diablo in the game as the final boss, seeing as he is the titular character. But this is a problem, since he and his brothers are the very pinnacle of power in the lore, and coming up with a replacement for themis problematic.
I don't see it as too far-fetched to have Diablo present in the entire game (much like Arthas in WotLK) but leaving the fight for another expansion. I'm not saying this is more likely than fighting Diablo in the game (in fact I think we will), but it's not impossible.
I feel like....Diablo with Baal and Mephisto as shoulder pads IS the most horrifying form. Take that you silly dragon in ice! What kind of dragon gets itself frozen anyway? Ridiculous.lol...
OH, and by the way. You forgot one litttlleee tiny thing. We've been given a glimpse at what his entire body looks like remember? The video from inside Blizz HQ? Do you not remember that? Diablo no longer looks ANYTHING like his old body. Why? Because he's somewhat skinny...almost...skeletal. With..multiple arms right? Maybe a few protruding insect like things? Maybe it's because he looks pretty much exactly like what you would expect the 3 of them to look like combined.
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That's where it came from? My bad, then it would seem to be official. My ealier point still stands however that from a gameplay perspective, the merging doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense from a pure lore perspective either, but no one is arguing in favor of that I think.
True, he is thin. But have you looked at Diablo's waist in D2? He ain't exactly fat. And I can't say I see tentacles on the image I'm looking at, just lots of spikes and something that looks like an extra set of arms. Which is weird since they look human rather than demonic. That suggests some sort of possession deal of a human, but I can't see how that's any more reasonable from what was revealed in the Sin War novels.
I've argued for this in the past and still stand by it, and it is the principal lore reason why I don't think Tyrael is going to be the enemy.
As for Inarius, he may not have been corrupted by the forces of Hell, but he's certainly a fallen angel of his own doing.
I second that.