However let's put the truth as it is:
The Necromancer IS THE best class.
*prepares his flamethrower as he waits for necro haters*:P
Honestly though, I feel each class in D2 offered decent variety of gameplay so you possibly find good reason to try each character without a feeling of deja vu. So the 'best class' will be different for each person according to their tastes...
And the general mood associated with the necromancer was that he was the outcast one with skills that involved a greater understanding of both life and death. Being able to revive monsters, summon skeletons definitely gave him the dark feel the OP I think was trying to describe.
In that respect, the witchdoctor is definitely a worthy replacement...with zombies and mongrels...toads and spiders and possibly 'voodoo magic'...
However the necro offered a unique gameplay that involved the exclusive use of summons as main damage output which was quite fascinating and why I think there might still be a place for this kickass character. Most of his skills can be improved and added on, despite what people(Jay Wilson did) might be saying about him being too perfect...
*prepares his flamethrower as he waits for necro haters*:P
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I don't know which wave of necro haters you guys are expecting...Since 99 percent of all people on this site are all necro groupies.:facepalm:
Not that I'm a necro hater either..I thought he was a great character.
Although sometimes a pissoff lagger, he was what I considered an original concept.
The thing is that he wasn't nearly as good as other chars at doing the same shit.
Sorc MFed 1000X better than a necro.
Assassin and Pally PK/PvP 1000X better than a necro.
Javazons and Hammerdins solo Hell and bosses 100000X better than a necro. Ive heard of Hammerdins soloing Ubers, not necros..
Soooo. What's left...?
Oh yeah, game lagging, Necro really does it 1000 X better than everyone else. I do admit.
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I don't know which wave of necro haters you guys are expecting...Since 99 percent of all people on this site are all necro groupies.:facepalm:
Not that I'm a necro hater either..I thought he was a great character.
Although sometimes a pissoff lagger, he was what I considered an original concept.
The thing is that he wasn't nearly as good as other chars at doing the same shit.
Sorc MFed 1000X better than a necro.
Assassin and Pally PK/PvP 1000X better than a necro.
Javazons and Hammerdins solo Hell and bosses 100000X better than a necro. Ive heard of Hammerdins soloing Ubers, not necros..
Soooo. What's left...?
Oh yeah, game lagging, Necro really does it 1000 X better than everyone else. I do admit.
Like I said...I find Monica Bellucci really HOT!
Edit- Hmmm...you seem to have access to some secret poll about who finds necro to be best char or not. Will you share the results?
Why oh why do so many people like necro when he's so bad? We wonders preciousss...we wonders...
Edit- Hmmm...you seem to have access to some secret poll about who finds necro to be best char or not. Will you share the results?
Well if you like polls so much, why don't you make one out of this thread. It will probably equate to 99%. But before you say" well, that doesn't mean everyone!" Let me remind you that polls never encompass everyone.
Otherwise, just take my post as an exaggeration.
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Why oh why do so many people like necro when he's so bad? We wonders preciousss...we wonders...
Seems some people misunderstood my post, let me quote myself
Not that I'm a necro hater either..I thought he was a great character.
Although sometimes a pissoff lagger, he was what I considered an original concept.
The thing is that he wasn't nearly as good as other chars at doing the same shit.
So I don't recall seing the phrase, he is bad in there. Not as good as someone else doesn't equate to bad. Otherwise that would be like saying every NBA player sucks at Basketball since they aren't as good as M.J.
Like I said before, if summoning mindless skeletons and kicking back while they have fun, blowing corpses in empty rooms and making walls of bone is your thing... Then by all means.
I can honestly say that the necro is the only character I ever fell asleep on while playing. Summoner is way too easy, when your summons get powerfull, you don't even have to dodge or do anything really. Just kinda walk through every room and watch the action unfold.
Kinda like watching someone else play a game...
The only time you are proactive, is when you hit a phys immune in Hell Difficulty. Then you actually require a right click to curse him.
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Well if you like polls so much, why don't you make one out of this thread. It will probably equate to 99%. But before you say" well, that doesn't mean everyone!"
Hmmm...actually polls do nothing to me. I just think it's bad to generalize because I quote you:
Let me remind you that polls never encompass everyone.
So I don't recall seing the phrase, he is bad in there. Not as good as someone else doesn't equate to bad. Otherwise that would be like saying every NBA player sucks at Basketball since they aren't as good as M.J.
Oh boy, what is this now? Shall we leave the argumentation of semantics for lawyers and keep them for courtrooms? You were bashing the necro without finding much good compared to other chars... What could that mean? I assumed you found him bad. If my assumption was wrong, then my apologies. My mistake.
Like I said before, if summoning mindless skeletons and kicking back while they have fun, blowing corpses in empty rooms and making walls of bone is your thing... Then by all means.
The only point I was trying to make. Good we found a common point.
I can honestly say that the necro is the only character I ever fell asleep on while playing. Summoner is way too easy, when your summons get powerfull, you don't even have to dodge or do anything really. Just kinda walk through every room and watch the action unfold.
Kinda like watching someone else play a game...
You have your opinion and I respect that. You found it boring. I enjoyed it.Monica...that's the one:P
The only time you are proactive, is when you hit a phys immune in Hell Difficulty. Then you actually require a right click to curse him.
See? With all the faults you elaborated on, how do I NOT assume you think this char is actually bad?
In any case...your taste...my taste...matters not but to ourselves.
+Sorc MF'ed better then all the classes. The sorceress was the premier MF class. So, by your definition the Sorc is better then the Paladin, Amazon, Assassin, etc as well.
-Assassin and Pally PK/PvP 1000X better than a necro.
+That is your opinion. Yes, the Paladin is OP in PvP, but in the proper hands any class can defeat any class, and in the not-so-proper hands, any class can be defeated by any class. So this point is mute.
-Javazons and Hammerdins solo Hell and bosses 100000X better than a necro.
+Actually the Javazon has problems in Hell due to Light Immunes, whereas the Necromancer's bone skills are just like the Hammerdin's hammers, IE they have no immunes. Now, if your refering to the weapons that remove immunities, then you must be saying that all classes are equal. Otherwise the Paladin is on equal footing as the Necromancer.
-Ive heard of Hammerdins soloing Ubers, not necros..
+Actually Smitadens are better then Hammerdins in Ubers. And there are builds for Necromancers for defeating Ubers, just like there are builds for Sorceresses, Amazons, Druids, Barbarians, and Assassins. So this point is mute.
-Oh yeah, game lagging, Necro really does it 1000 X better than everyone else. I do admit.
+Summonmancers are not Bonemancers. Summonmancers are not Poisonmancers. And again, bonemancers cause just as much lag as Hammerdins.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Hammerdins, or any class for that matter. But it's silly to use stereotypes to dismiss a class.
+Sorc MF'ed better then all the classes. The sorceress was the premier MF class. So, by your definition the Sorc is better then the Paladin, Amazon, Assassin, etc as well.
True, but at least the Pally owns PvP in PvP equally with Sin, and the Zon owns PvM and Bosses. So my point wasn't only that the sorc was better then everyone but everyone else has a specific strength.
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-Assassin and Pally PK/PvP 1000X better than a necro.
+That is your opinion. Yes, the Paladin is OP in PvP, but in the proper hands any class can defeat any class, and in the not-so-proper hands, any class can be defeated by any class. So this point is mute.
Yeah, but if you take two of the same skill duelers and give one of them the OP Pally, there is no reason he should lose.
It's kinda obvious if you put an uber pally in the hands of an idiot he will lose, it doesn't need to be confirmed by anyone. So this is mute as well.
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-Javazons and Hammerdins solo Hell and bosses 100000X better than a necro.
+Actually the Javazon has problems in Hell due to Light Immunes, whereas the Necromancer's bone skills are just like the Hammerdin's hammers, IE they have no immunes. Now, if your refering to the weapons that remove immunities, then you must be saying that all classes are equal. Otherwise the Paladin is on equal footing as the Necromancer.
++Actually the Javazon's secondary skill of Jab is more then enough to deal with any Lightning Immunes, one jab is all you need unless you hit a Lightning Immune Unique Monster. Plus with her survivability she is much more durable than a Necro.
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-Ive heard of Hammerdins soloing Ubers, not necros..
+Actually Smitadens are better then Hammerdins in Ubers. And there are builds for Necromancers for defeating Ubers, just like there are builds for Sorceresses, Amazons, Druids, Barbarians, and Assassins. So this point is mute.
++Actually there are thousands of builds for everything, but it doesn't mean that they are actually successful at doing it. Let me know when you see a Druid/Assassin/Barbarian solo ubers in Hardcore, I just haven't seen that yet. I don't mean they don't exist, just never seen it, maybe you would enlighten me. :cool:
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-Oh yeah, game lagging, Necro really does it 1000 X better than everyone else. I do admit.
+Summonmancers are not Bonemancers. Summonmancers are not Poisonmancers. And again, bonemancers cause just as much lag as Hammerdins.
True, but pure bonemancers struggle in soloing, so If you do make one, youll probably need to be rushed. The Hammerdin won't. However I do admit that they won't lag the game.
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Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Hammerdins, or any class for that matter. But it's silly to use stereotypes to dismiss a class.
I do admit some of my points are stereotypes, (lag) but you can't dismiss that some aren't and the Necro does lack a specific area of expertise.
Not trying to be right, just arguing my point on why I don't admire the char, but as you said, to each his own opinion. I just like debating mine, and I do respect yours.
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True, but at least the Pally owns PvP in PvP equally with Sin, and the Zon owns PvM and Bosses. So my point wasn't only that the sorc was better then everyone but everyone else has a specific strength.
Your point was that the Sorceress was the best MF class. And it's true. The Sorceress is better then the Paladin, the Necro, the Amazon, and the Barbarian, as well as the Assassin and the Druid. The Sorceress is the premier MF class.
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Yeah, but if you take two of the same skill duelers and give one of them the OP Pally, there is no reason he should lose.
It's kinda obvious if you put an uber pally in the hands of an idiot he will lose, it doesn't need to be confirmed by anyone. So this is mute as well.
Actually, there's no reason the Necromancer should loose, in equal skilled hands. If both have the Enigma, then it's going to be an equal battle, and if neither have Enigma, then a bone prison and spam Bone Spirit and the Paladin's dead. So it's really not mute, as there is really not a situation where, with both players equally skilled and with equal quality gear, where the Paladin would have an inherent chance of winning.
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+Actually the Javazon's secondary skill of Jab is more then enough to deal with any Lightning Immunes, one jab is all you need unless you hit a Lightning Immune Unique Monster. Plus with her survivability she is much more durable than a Necro.
So, Lightning Immune and Physical Immune, scattered all through hell, with many that have both, vs Magic Immune making one appearance in A3 briefly. Yea, the Javazon has a much better chance.
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Actually there are thousands of builds for everything, but it doesn't mean that they are actually successful at doing it. Let me know when you see a Druid/Assassin/Barbarian solo ubers in Hardcore, I just haven't seen that yet. I don't mean they don't exist, just never seen it, maybe you would enlighten me. :cool:
There was a thread around here where everyone was talking about it... Let me see if I can find it...
True, but pure bonemancers struggle in soloing, so If you do make one, youll probably need to be rushed. The Hammerdin won't. However I do admit that they won't lag the game.
This is mute as everyone is rushed in Diablo 2 anymore. x.x Not sure what your point is...
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I do admit some of my points are stereotypes, (lag) but you can't dismiss that some aren't and the Necro does lack a specific area of expertise.
Yes, I admit the Necromancer has some issues with lag, mostly due to Blizzard's ten year old servers running Diablo 2. :/ But then again, there is a great deal of variety with the Necromancer, whereas with the Paladin you have about two or three builds that are even usable at this point in the game.
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Not trying to be right, just arguing my point on why I don't admire the char, but as you said, to each his own opinion. I just like debating mine, and I do respect yours.
I know your not trying to be right, I'm to busy taking that spot. But seriously, I do understand your position, and just want to point out some of the fallacies I see in it. Not saying it's a bad position, far from it. Just making clerifications.
I honestly don't know where to start with this one... /:facepalm:
You will never see any "rogue demon" or "dread knight" class in this game, Period. This game is about killing baddies as a hero not playing the "bad misunderstood demon spawn". If you want that kind of game I suggest you look elsewhere.
You have to look at we got right now in terms of the classes.
Barbarian - Tank
Monk - Melee (with a bit of magic) DPS
Witch Doctor - Crowd Control/Magic DPS
Wizard - Magical Face Melting DPS
Now for the 5th Class you have really only one option, Physical Ranged DPS.
You can fight it all you want but that's just how its gonna go. And from there you got the distinct possibility of the Amazon coming back or maybe even something as weird as a black powder user.
Nothings going to be "Dark" or "Demonic" get over yourselves and realize that in order to have a demon slaying game, you can't play as a demonically aligned character.
The damage type of the class has absolutely zero to do with the theme. The Necromancer was pretty dark, the WD is pretty dark. Demonic and dark is not the same thing.
(I have a feeling like I'm going to be doing a lot of this)
You have to think like Blizzard.
They want to fill every typical role that is possible in a RPG game. And as I said before the only role is a Ranged Physical DPS class.
You also got to look at the storyline and the classes we have so far. The Barbarian is just a big guy/girl that wants to slay some demons. The Wizard is a guy/girl that is a student of the arcane arts and is fighting against the forces of evil. The Witch Doctor is technically just a shaman who is fighting against the forces of evil with his shamanistic powers. The Monk is a Eastern European Monk with a Shaolin fighting style that is fighting against the forces of evil with his kung fu and staff.
There is one common denominator in all of these heroes, absolutely no demonic influence or "Evil" about them. These heroes are entirely neutral and there is nothing really dark about them, maybe a little weird or taboo, but definitely not dark.
How absolutely fucking random would it be, if the last class was "OMG DREAD ARCHER" who is just this super dark badass who is just such a badass that he/she has now decided to fight against the Demons for some random reason. Blizzard has made some questionable storyline choices but nothing close to that kind of garbage.
I see that you think I'm a supporter of this theory ^^ I'm not. But you said "Nothings going to be "Dark"", which is just plain wrong. We already have a dark class, it is just not dark enough for many.
I think me and you disagree on what constitutes as "Dark".
The Shaman isn't something I'd consider as "Dark", now the Necromancer was dark, but I don't think the shaman is dark at all, just a shaman using shamanistic powers.
That sand raider concept has the potential for having a dark side to him. Perhaps a grudge he has for a loss he was inflicted by the prime evils and his people are misplaced, stranded, and upset for a heavy loss his people must burden.
We have already a "dark" WD and a "light" monk. I think the fifth will be neutral.
Maybe. I think that even the Monk can have some dark aspects to him. Depending on the skills and how they are used. Every character has a potential to be a "dark" character. But, if your looking for nothing but darkness within the skills and how the character is played, right now the WD looks about as dark as they are going to let them be. Who knows. It would be pretty cool to see a range character with a huge dark side to them.
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I think the WD fills the Necros spot, the necro was scary the WD is scary those lil pets he summons looked kinda impish but in the vid the narrator says "First of many" so im guessing they could probably summon some gigantic demonish jungle beast, maybe like the thing in lost
The Witch Doctor cannot summon demons because that would be demonic magic, which was forbidden on principle agreement by all of the mage clans after the Mage War for its naturally-corrupting power. That and it calls on the aid of beings that want to destroy Sanctuary. In Diablo II, the Necromancer only conjured the Undead and elemental planar beings (like Fire Golem).
I would have agreed to that since his last skill is actually called reanimation except for this bit on Raise Skeleton:
Animated partially through their own will and partially through the summoned spirits of ancient warriors[...]
So it looks like they are raised using existing spirits, which would mean that they are, indeed, the Undead. However, the Necromancer's will is also imbibed in them, so I would assume they are kind of halflings.
The Witch Doctor cannot summon demons because that would be demonic magic, which was forbidden on principle agreement by all of the mage clans after the Mage War for its naturally-corrupting power. That and it calls on the aid of beings that want to destroy Sanctuary. In Diablo II, the Necromancer only conjured the Undead and elemental planar beings (like Fire Golem).
I don't know if a WD really cares about mage clan's agreement.
I'm not saying he will conjure demons, but in the last Blizzcon he had a summon Fetish skill and as far as I kno Fetishs are demons right ?
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This cautious choice of words is understandable.
However let's put the truth as it is:
The Necromancer IS THE best class.
*prepares his flamethrower as he waits for necro haters*:P
Honestly though, I feel each class in D2 offered decent variety of gameplay so you possibly find good reason to try each character without a feeling of deja vu. So the 'best class' will be different for each person according to their tastes...
And the general mood associated with the necromancer was that he was the outcast one with skills that involved a greater understanding of both life and death. Being able to revive monsters, summon skeletons definitely gave him the dark feel the OP I think was trying to describe.
In that respect, the witchdoctor is definitely a worthy replacement...with zombies and mongrels...toads and spiders and possibly 'voodoo magic'...
However the necro offered a unique gameplay that involved the exclusive use of summons as main damage output which was quite fascinating and why I think there might still be a place for this kickass character. Most of his skills can be improved and added on, despite what people(Jay Wilson did) might be saying about him being too perfect...
I don't know which wave of necro haters you guys are expecting...Since 99 percent of all people on this site are all necro groupies.:facepalm:
Not that I'm a necro hater either..I thought he was a great character.
Although sometimes a pissoff lagger, he was what I considered an original concept.
The thing is that he wasn't nearly as good as other chars at doing the same shit.
Sorc MFed 1000X better than a necro.
Assassin and Pally PK/PvP 1000X better than a necro.
Javazons and Hammerdins solo Hell and bosses 100000X better than a necro. Ive heard of Hammerdins soloing Ubers, not necros..
Soooo. What's left...?
Oh yeah, game lagging, Necro really does it 1000 X better than everyone else. I do admit.
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Like I said...I find Monica Bellucci really HOT!
Edit- Hmmm...you seem to have access to some secret poll about who finds necro to be best char or not. Will you share the results?
Why oh why do so many people like necro when he's so bad? We wonders preciousss...we wonders...
Well if you like polls so much, why don't you make one out of this thread. It will probably equate to 99%. But before you say" well, that doesn't mean everyone!" Let me remind you that polls never encompass everyone.
Otherwise, just take my post as an exaggeration.
Seems some people misunderstood my post, let me quote myself
So I don't recall seing the phrase, he is bad in there. Not as good as someone else doesn't equate to bad. Otherwise that would be like saying every NBA player sucks at Basketball since they aren't as good as M.J.
Like I said before, if summoning mindless skeletons and kicking back while they have fun, blowing corpses in empty rooms and making walls of bone is your thing... Then by all means.
I can honestly say that the necro is the only character I ever fell asleep on while playing. Summoner is way too easy, when your summons get powerfull, you don't even have to dodge or do anything really. Just kinda walk through every room and watch the action unfold.
Kinda like watching someone else play a game...
The only time you are proactive, is when you hit a phys immune in Hell Difficulty. Then you actually require a right click to curse him.
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Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
Oh boy, what is this now? Shall we leave the argumentation of semantics for lawyers and keep them for courtrooms? You were bashing the necro without finding much good compared to other chars... What could that mean? I assumed you found him bad. If my assumption was wrong, then my apologies. My mistake.
The only point I was trying to make. Good we found a common point.
You have your opinion and I respect that. You found it boring. I enjoyed it.Monica...that's the one:P
See? With all the faults you elaborated on, how do I NOT assume you think this char is actually bad?
In any case...your taste...my taste...matters not but to ourselves.
+Sorc MF'ed better then all the classes. The sorceress was the premier MF class. So, by your definition the Sorc is better then the Paladin, Amazon, Assassin, etc as well.
-Assassin and Pally PK/PvP 1000X better than a necro.
+That is your opinion. Yes, the Paladin is OP in PvP, but in the proper hands any class can defeat any class, and in the not-so-proper hands, any class can be defeated by any class. So this point is mute.
-Javazons and Hammerdins solo Hell and bosses 100000X better than a necro.
+Actually the Javazon has problems in Hell due to Light Immunes, whereas the Necromancer's bone skills are just like the Hammerdin's hammers, IE they have no immunes. Now, if your refering to the weapons that remove immunities, then you must be saying that all classes are equal. Otherwise the Paladin is on equal footing as the Necromancer.
-Ive heard of Hammerdins soloing Ubers, not necros..
+Actually Smitadens are better then Hammerdins in Ubers. And there are builds for Necromancers for defeating Ubers, just like there are builds for Sorceresses, Amazons, Druids, Barbarians, and Assassins. So this point is mute.
-Oh yeah, game lagging, Necro really does it 1000 X better than everyone else. I do admit.
+Summonmancers are not Bonemancers. Summonmancers are not Poisonmancers. And again, bonemancers cause just as much lag as Hammerdins.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Hammerdins, or any class for that matter. But it's silly to use stereotypes to dismiss a class.
Yeah, but if you take two of the same skill duelers and give one of them the OP Pally, there is no reason he should lose.
It's kinda obvious if you put an uber pally in the hands of an idiot he will lose, it doesn't need to be confirmed by anyone. So this is mute as well.
++Actually the Javazon's secondary skill of Jab is more then enough to deal with any Lightning Immunes, one jab is all you need unless you hit a Lightning Immune Unique Monster. Plus with her survivability she is much more durable than a Necro.
++Actually there are thousands of builds for everything, but it doesn't mean that they are actually successful at doing it. Let me know when you see a Druid/Assassin/Barbarian solo ubers in Hardcore, I just haven't seen that yet. I don't mean they don't exist, just never seen it, maybe you would enlighten me. :cool:
True, but pure bonemancers struggle in soloing, so If you do make one, youll probably need to be rushed. The Hammerdin won't. However I do admit that they won't lag the game.
I do admit some of my points are stereotypes, (lag) but you can't dismiss that some aren't and the Necro does lack a specific area of expertise.
Not trying to be right, just arguing my point on why I don't admire the char, but as you said, to each his own opinion.
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Your point was that the Sorceress was the best MF class. And it's true. The Sorceress is better then the Paladin, the Necro, the Amazon, and the Barbarian, as well as the Assassin and the Druid. The Sorceress is the premier MF class.
Actually, there's no reason the Necromancer should loose, in equal skilled hands. If both have the Enigma, then it's going to be an equal battle, and if neither have Enigma, then a bone prison and spam Bone Spirit and the Paladin's dead. So it's really not mute, as there is really not a situation where, with both players equally skilled and with equal quality gear, where the Paladin would have an inherent chance of winning.
So, Lightning Immune and Physical Immune, scattered all through hell, with many that have both, vs Magic Immune making one appearance in A3 briefly. Yea, the Javazon has a much better chance.
There was a thread around here where everyone was talking about it... Let me see if I can find it...
Hold up, think I found the thread....
This is mute as everyone is rushed in Diablo 2 anymore. x.x Not sure what your point is...
Yes, I admit the Necromancer has some issues with lag, mostly due to Blizzard's ten year old servers running Diablo 2. :/ But then again, there is a great deal of variety with the Necromancer, whereas with the Paladin you have about two or three builds that are even usable at this point in the game.
I know your not trying to be right, I'm to busy taking that spot.
You will never see any "rogue demon" or "dread knight" class in this game, Period. This game is about killing baddies as a hero not playing the "bad misunderstood demon spawn". If you want that kind of game I suggest you look elsewhere.
You have to look at we got right now in terms of the classes.
Barbarian - Tank
Monk - Melee (with a bit of magic) DPS
Witch Doctor - Crowd Control/Magic DPS
Wizard - Magical Face Melting DPS
Now for the 5th Class you have really only one option, Physical Ranged DPS.
You can fight it all you want but that's just how its gonna go. And from there you got the distinct possibility of the Amazon coming back or maybe even something as weird as a black powder user.
Nothings going to be "Dark" or "Demonic" get over yourselves and realize that in order to have a demon slaying game, you can't play as a demonically aligned character.
You have to think like Blizzard.
They want to fill every typical role that is possible in a RPG game. And as I said before the only role is a Ranged Physical DPS class.
You also got to look at the storyline and the classes we have so far. The Barbarian is just a big guy/girl that wants to slay some demons. The Wizard is a guy/girl that is a student of the arcane arts and is fighting against the forces of evil. The Witch Doctor is technically just a shaman who is fighting against the forces of evil with his shamanistic powers. The Monk is a Eastern European Monk with a Shaolin fighting style that is fighting against the forces of evil with his kung fu and staff.
There is one common denominator in all of these heroes, absolutely no demonic influence or "Evil" about them. These heroes are entirely neutral and there is nothing really dark about them, maybe a little weird or taboo, but definitely not dark.
How absolutely fucking random would it be, if the last class was "OMG DREAD ARCHER" who is just this super dark badass who is just such a badass that he/she has now decided to fight against the Demons for some random reason. Blizzard has made some questionable storyline choices but nothing close to that kind of garbage.
It's going to be the Zon. Bet on it.
I think me and you disagree on what constitutes as "Dark".
The Shaman isn't something I'd consider as "Dark", now the Necromancer was dark, but I don't think the shaman is dark at all, just a shaman using shamanistic powers.
But personnally I don't think the fifth class will be "dark" or "bad"... and even less a kind of demonic class.
We have already a "dark" WD and a "light" monk. I think the fifth will be neutral.
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So it looks like they are raised using existing spirits, which would mean that they are, indeed, the Undead. However, the Necromancer's will is also imbibed in them, so I would assume they are kind of halflings.
I don't know if a WD really cares about mage clan's agreement.
I'm not saying he will conjure demons, but in the last Blizzcon he had a summon Fetish skill and as far as I kno Fetishs are demons right ?