Monk needs viable high greater rift builds comparable with the builds for other classes. The only build which was good for high tier except the stupid rainment 6 set build, the sunwoko madstone SSS was destroyed by ,,fixing,, the madstone sunwoko multiple proc. There is no doubt, that it was perfectly clean, but there was no reason to nerf it because it wasnt OP. Blizzard simply removed pretty much the only good build for high torment.
Buffing spirit generators help on maybe lower tornment and max tornment 6. For high greater rifts you cant be facetanking the mobs or you die. PTR is up for ages by now and only thing blizzard was able to do is slightly improve couple of things and completly ignore the main issue, which is no competive and fluent endgame build.
Agree with you, generators buffs helps till t6, but then we can't face mobs on higher tier.
You are wrong, I went up from t3 to t6 with the survivality changes and new attack speed on generators + new passives with IAS.
and you pls stop telling everyone they're wrong. would be better if YOU stop talking bullshit and not knowing anything. survivability won't kill the mobs, and if they don't die, they kill you no matter how long you can survive with your "new attack speed on gen+passives".
i bet it doesn't bother an elephant if a fly sits on his back. and so is the monk class at the moment. its not a ninja like killer, its the fly on the elephan(mob)
moving from t3 to t6 isn't a big thing if what all monk players are talking about is how GOD DAMN WEAK the class is compared to others while doing higher GRifts and blizzard just not doing anything to help out.
I know we are not good as other classes, but we are heading in the good wa. Im managing to do solo a t6 rift without unity in about 8-10 minutes depending on the density.
Your claiming about other classes won't be enough, if you don't like Monk then go and play other class. We know that WD is the best class and no other class can do so much dmg as this one does.
Besides saying that it is wrong and wrong, you can start playing and try to compare to other Monks, becuase that is the way it is mention to work (leaderboards).
heading in a good way in nerfing the only good skills? hm yeah makes sense. i managed to do t6 even before PTR started, so no point in hyping the fact that you gloriously "worked your way from t3 to t6". t6 just isn't the level to measure how good a class is. every second-third casual player can roll t6 and it's no hot news anymore.
my claiming should be enough, because there is no point in being weaker than others and it's 100% not intended from blizzard to have classes that are as weak as monks. And be satisfied, i play other classes, at least i had played them enough to see the differences. i have a perfect jade wd, also with pets, wizard with 2-3 viable builds, a crusader and i think i just roll a demon hunter, because it's not as damn freaking weak as monk.
to "saying wrong" was ment to be for you, you say in almost every post that other persons are wrong who can't justify the crappy patch notes for monk with just a shitty increase in APS of generators ( ... GENERATORS ffs, who the f"$§ wants to play with generators, it's like if you had a lamborghini in the garage but prefer to go with roller blades)
there is also no fuggin' sense for me to compare myself to other monks, i want to see if my class is EQUAL to other classes and not HANDICAPPED.
no point in competing in paralympics if you're a healthy sports man.
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You obviously didn't played season and kept playing no seasonal. Before PTR I could do t6 solo too but took me a lot to get the correct items. Now on season with around 30 hours playing could do solo t6 which means a lot: a player from zero who can play t6 in 30 hours of gameplay says a lot of a class. My non seasonal Monk had around 1000 hours playing (since vanilla) and I think you do too, so it is no argument to say "I could do it too before PTR".
As the philosophy of Monks says, it is a fast-attack-class which it is obvious that me and other players too want to play with generators. So there is your answer.
I agree that we are not good as other classes, but we are heading in the correct way. Every new PTR build Monks has been getting ton of changes.
You are wrong, I went up from t3 to t6 with the survivality changes and new attack speed on generators + new passives with IAS.
and you pls stop telling everyone they're wrong. would be better if YOU stop talking bullshit and not knowing anything. survivability won't kill the mobs, and if they don't die, they kill you no matter how long you can survive with your "new attack speed on gen+passives".
i bet it doesn't bother an elephant if a fly sits on his back. and so is the monk class at the moment. its not a ninja like killer, its the fly on the elephan(mob)
moving from t3 to t6 isn't a big thing if what all monk players are talking about is how GOD DAMN WEAK the class is compared to others while doing higher GRifts and blizzard just not doing anything to help out.
I know we are not good as other classes, but we are heading in the good wa. Im managing to do solo a t6 rift without unity in about 8-10 minutes depending on the density.
Your claiming about other classes won't be enough, if you don't like Monk then go and play other class. We know that WD is the best class and no other class can do so much dmg as this one does.
Besides saying that it is wrong and wrong, you can start playing and try to compare to other Monks, becuase that is the way it is mention to work (leaderboards).
staying alive isnt everything in this game... for the longest time we had no real solo DPS options.
instead we relied on item procs, and those items are now badly nerfed.
have fun spamming LTK in t4
edit: yeah ok raiment set can do some dps... but come on be real
no one really likes it, its a shitty situational build
Actually on PTR I can solo T6 with a few hours playing using primaries... Maybe I can't reach tier 30 but I can solo tier 24-25, which is really good for a normal player.
I am excited to try out my lightening build with some depth diggers and 25% primary skill damage legendary gem. Previously on the ptr I was seeing 21mil crits with just the gem.
That 21M is perhaps on the last hit of WotF when using HoL rune with the 490% dmg. Won't come anywhere near the damage of a Holy Shotgun Sader doing 21M per beam on every hit. I understand heavy CDR and 6pc Akkhan is required to achieve that, but heavy CDR and 6pc Raiment or anything else Monks can wear don't get us there.
You are wrong. The second combo (which are from 7 to 10 hits) split the 490% damage,so each hit deals 49% extra damage.
Where is it mentioned that the 490% is split amongst 7 to 10 hits? If that's the case then maybe it's the 3rd hit from FoT against a single target.
Actually at PTR builds doesn't depend on CDR, this means you will need to wait the 8 seconds to use a charge, which sucks.
Maybe this skill should have a rune that make it a spender maybe 100 spirit per move and remove the cd to 3 seconds, or work something to make this usefulll since now Im willing to change this skill since it doesn't help a lot cause its cd.
I am excited to try out my lightening build with some depth diggers and 25% primary skill damage legendary gem. Previously on the ptr I was seeing 21mil crits with just the gem.
That 21M is perhaps on the last hit of WotF when using HoL rune with the 490% dmg. Won't come anywhere near the damage of a Holy Shotgun Sader doing 21M per beam on every hit. I understand heavy CDR and 6pc Akkhan is required to achieve that, but heavy CDR and 6pc Raiment or anything else Monks can wear don't get us there.
You are wrong. The second combo (which are from 7 to 10 hits) split the 490% damage,so each hit deals 49% extra damage.
Yeah and your survivality is depending fully on your skills and not on your items... instead of looking for LoH or Life Regen you can mitigate a lot of dmg with New buffs and heal spending source.
Another cool thing is that I read people trying new builds, which means a lot of diversity.
No.
What that is, is simply a matter of people trying to find out what is currently working, it is not a sign that more builds are viable, it is a sign that people are testing to determine if thats the case or not. It does not however mean that there is diversity.
You are wrong. Have you tested seasonal at PTR? I have seen a lot of Monks with different builds each time I go public and they are working pretty good, non as live where all monks are zdps pull shattered.
kito90, whats the point of showing AS boosted by flying dragon ? Did you even bother to read latest ptr patch notes ? Most of changes they did = nerf. Maybe you should check some topics where ppl actually test some stuff for real - not random flying dragon crap - and most of them states "we are *NOT* on good spot now". You clearly don't have idea, what you are talking about.
kito90, whats the point of showing AS boosted by flying dragon ? Did you even bother to read latest ptr patch notes ? Most of changes they did = nerf. Maybe you should check some topics where ppl actually test some stuff for real - not random flying dragon crap - and most of them states "we are *NOT* on good spot now". You clearly don't have idea, what you are talking about.
Also the nerf you see are to zdps sincr rimeheart and the furnace werr nerfed. Also increased the cd of dashing strike and fixed the sunwuko + sss + madstone. Those nerf are good nerfs since we wont be forced on using ugly builds like 6raiment ping pong style, or zdps full cc.
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As the philosophy of Monks says, it is a fast-attack-class which it is obvious that me and other players too want to play with generators. So there is your answer.
I agree that we are not good as other classes, but we are heading in the correct way. Every new PTR build Monks has been getting ton of changes.
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Your claiming about other classes won't be enough, if you don't like Monk then go and play other class. We know that WD is the best class and no other class can do so much dmg as this one does.
Besides saying that it is wrong and wrong, you can start playing and try to compare to other Monks, becuase that is the way it is mention to work (leaderboards).
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Maybe this skill should have a rune that make it a spender maybe 100 spirit per move and remove the cd to 3 seconds, or work something to make this usefulll since now Im willing to change this skill since it doesn't help a lot cause its cd.
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