Everyone keep it civil in here, if you can't then just don't post.
If you want a thread to die, the quickest way is by not responding, not replying in anger.
- Would you consider deleting threads that are obviously just created for the purpose to start flamewars? The forums I've usually visited have had pretty strict guidelines what constitutes civil discussion. It has lead to better atmosphere.
If it gets too out of hand I'll just start handing out infractions and probably close it. I don't like stepping in unless I have to, it can really hamper discussion sometimes.
What I wrote wasn't against you Jake. It was against the guy that tried to call you out on programming because hes a "professional".
Im with you about 90% of the way.
Yeah, one more person who has no clue what they are talking about running their mouth just adds to the noise in this thread...
If you're going to make claims like "I can add 10 features in 30 minutes" then prepared to be called on your bullshit when someone wanders by who actually has a clue.
If you're going to make claims like "I can add 10 features in 30 minutes" then prepared to be called on your bullshit when someone wanders by who actually has a clue.
I think "Jake" just likes to hear himself talk....or see himself type....or....anywho, dude is long winded as fuck.
The fact that you, Jake, have more-or-less stated that you think one of the mistakes Blizzard made was making it too difficult to do hacks......ends any credibility you may have had going into this thread.
Hacks destroy PvP. Hacks make PvM games very annoying when someone you're partied with is hacked up and being a douche.
If you're going to make claims like "I can add 10 features in 30 minutes" then prepared to be called on your bullshit when someone wanders by who actually has a clue.
I can't being to explain how true this is.
This is so hard to explain to somebody without a background in software development, but I'll reiterate that there really is no way to know how difficult X random feature would be to implement in an unfamiliar application, even for an experienced developer. This is particularly true when it's an application built by 50+ developers over 5+ years.
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...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
What I wrote wasn't against you Jake. It was against the guy that tried to call you out on programming because hes a "professional".
Im with you about 90% of the way.
Yeah, one more person who has no clue what they are talking about running their mouth just adds to the noise in this thread...
If you're going to make claims like "I can add 10 features in 30 minutes" then prepared to be called on your bullshit when someone wanders by who actually has a clue.
Oh but he and I could add 10 features in 30 minutes. Now I never said anything about what features or how significant they are, but I can easily code in 10 features in 30 minutes. Hell, id say half that time.
Please oh please forgive me sir, I don't want to feel the wrath of such a professional programmer as yourself, I don't think I could quite bear it honestly.
What I wrote wasn't against you Jake. It was against the guy that tried to call you out on programming because hes a "professional".
Im with you about 90% of the way.
Yeah, one more person who has no clue what they are talking about running their mouth just adds to the noise in this thread...
If you're going to make claims like "I can add 10 features in 30 minutes" then prepared to be called on your bullshit when someone wanders by who actually has a clue.
It was kind of an exagerration.
But it is pretty easy in theory.
I get however, that a professional process is.. more complicated than just one guy changing a few lines.
I'll concede whatever point you want at that stupid line, my only point was that adding options is NOT a difficult task and they can be added in bulk. If adding a simple option is hard because of everything it has to go through, then everything else is a thousand times harder.
The only point is that they could easily do it, and openly refused because they don't want too many options. And in most case, those options could just be .ini-style/console command options.
Its not far fetched to add options for the most wanted nitpicking stuff and their "philosophy" is to deny options for the sake of denying them, which is what I disagree with.
Now you can please just get over the fact that I'm not a programmer.
I think "Jake" just likes to hear himself talk....or see himself type....or....anywho, dude is long winded as fuck.
The fact that you, Jake, have more-or-less stated that you think one of the mistakes Blizzard made was making it too difficult to do hacks......ends any credibility you may have had going into this thread.
Hacks destroy PvP. Hacks make PvM games very annoying when someone you're partied with is hacked up and being a douche.
I love to hear the sound of my keyboard.
And their -mistake- is over-prioritizing a security that barely affects me to cut important things that affects TONS of people dramatically.
If the world over-prioritized security, everybody would be living in a cage.
Adon and SFJake are just angry angry nerd ragers. Add in Vladdracul and you officially have the worst 3 forum goers on this site....
Anyways... neither you SFJake... or Adon have any credibility... you were bitching about EVERYTHING before diablo 3 even came out. And SFJake specifically has done NOTHING but complain since the game was announced in 2008.
Are you guys geniunely trolls? Do you come here with the actual intention to get a rise out of people? Or do you simply hate the world... hate life... and hate other people actually enjoying things so much that you need to take the time out of your day to be a debby downer?
And to Maka - WTF happened to you sir? You used to be a decent forum contributor... as excited and happy as everyone else... and then approximately a few months ago you turned into a jerk?
The comment "It's just a game" really works on this topic. You seem to have to much time on your hands, i recommend;
A) A job
A girlfriend
C) A reality check
D) All the above
It's really just a game, if people are having fun i don't see a problem with it. If you and a few thousand others want to whine and complain about little things just leave it to yourself and gossip with whatever friends or objects you give personification to. Just go out and get some fresh air man!
Adon and SFJake are just angry angry nerd ragers. Add in Vladdracul and you officially have the worst 3 forum goers on this site....
Anyways... neither you SFJake... or Adon have any credibility... you were bitching about EVERYTHING before diablo 3 even came out. And SFJake specifically has done NOTHING but complain since the game was announced in 2008.
Are you guys geniunely trolls? Do you come here with the actual intention to get a rise out of people? Or do you simply hate the world... hate life... and hate other people actually enjoying things so much that you need to take the time out of your day to be a debby downer?
And to Maka - WTF happened to you sir? You used to be a decent forum contributor... as excited and happy as everyone else... and then approximately a few months ago you turned into a jerk?
-Bad end-game, no originality in it, no thought, no true challenge
-Limited hotkey system
-No alternate hotkey options (especiially for pure mouse users)
-Elective mode is the dumbest addition to the game.
-The story is a joke
-No alternative control (WASD)
-Always online
-No mods, the heart of PC gaming
-Lack of options, Blizzard openly stands -against- having too many options
-Cannot dodge normal melee attacks "by design"
-Auction house is the focus of the game, which has a lot of bad side effects.
-Grinding-based gameplay (yes, I do blame D2 for that, even more in fact)
-RMAH
-Horrible itemization
-Unsatisfying legendaries
-Simple stat system could ALMOST COMPLETELY replace the current itemization
-Game had more interesting features 4 years ago than now
-Over-testing, streamlining, controlling the game too much = bad.
-Diablo 3 dares "nothing", except the RMAH that is.
I did not read the entire thing TBH, and I just read the TL;DR list of bad things. lets go down the line shall we.
-Semi-agree. There needed to be more than just inferno and there wasn't. there wasn't anything radical about it.
-Meh I wanted more skill options but i do think they needed to limit it, Having every skill at once is too OP as then there would be no penalty for switching on the fly. 6 as of now feels like too little, i feel as though I need certain skills still and then I've wasted spots for cool skills that I want to use.8-9 should've been the amount Tab, LMB, RMB, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
-Not true I use my mouse alone, I have a naga epic so I'm not entirely sure if you can bind MB4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 to the skills, but I'm sure it is possible.
-It should've been default. end of story
-Don't mind it helps them out reduces hacks keeps me happy
-This isn't really an issue Diablo has always been click to move style no reason to change it really.
-don't mind I never use them I see where people could want them though.
-Not too sure what options you're looking for, a little more detail would help here.
-I dodge some melee attacks but I agree some are un-dodgeable and I get hit from like 30-40 yards away.
-This is semi-good semi-bad It provides the outlet if you wanna trade for that one piece of gear, but it also makes it feel necessary.
-I hate the grind but god in Diablo it feels so much more fun just plowing through monsters.
-Same as above, won't use it though only gold here.
-Agreed something went wrong here
-Agreed they're LEGENDARY for a reason. If they didn't want them to be the best of the best they shouldn't have put them in the game.
-Not sure I understand you point on this one.
-Debateable I think it still holds true to what it was.
-I hate the dumbification of games, this one is no different as is every other damn game coming out. I can't wait to become a game dev so I can say fuck it no we won't make it easier for five year olds.
-Dis agree completely. Rune system is a huge dare It is completely innovative and nothing is like it. I feel like they pushged the boundaries a bit but they could have pushed them more.
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Not even Death will save you from Diablo Bunny's Cuteness!
And their -mistake- is over-prioritizing a security that barely affects me to cut important things that affects TONS of people dramatically.
If the world over-prioritized security, everybody would be living in a cage.
How does leaving the door open to player hack manipulation in any way insignificant? There were all sorts of hacks people ran in online D2, not the least of which were damage and health that seemed nearly infinite. Hacking alone made much of D2's online experience poor. Add to that, duping, and I have little reason to wonder why the door was left closed this time.
Hacking and security were serious issues in D2 so the developers felt they needed to address in in D3. Still, there are many hacking reports circulating in the community since the launch. I have been very concerned with it, even using my credit card in the auction house scares me.
But still, the more important thing to me is enjoying this game I have waited too long! :Thumbs Up:
Im with you about 90% of the way.
If it gets too out of hand I'll just start handing out infractions and probably close it. I don't like stepping in unless I have to, it can really hamper discussion sometimes.
Yeah, one more person who has no clue what they are talking about running their mouth just adds to the noise in this thread...
If you're going to make claims like "I can add 10 features in 30 minutes" then prepared to be called on your bullshit when someone wanders by who actually has a clue.
I can't being to explain how true this is.
The fact that you, Jake, have more-or-less stated that you think one of the mistakes Blizzard made was making it too difficult to do hacks......ends any credibility you may have had going into this thread.
Hacks destroy PvP. Hacks make PvM games very annoying when someone you're partied with is hacked up and being a douche.
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so... no cookies for you!
This is so hard to explain to somebody without a background in software development, but I'll reiterate that there really is no way to know how difficult X random feature would be to implement in an unfamiliar application, even for an experienced developer. This is particularly true when it's an application built by 50+ developers over 5+ years.
Please oh please forgive me sir, I don't want to feel the wrath of such a professional programmer as yourself, I don't think I could quite bear it honestly.
It was kind of an exagerration.
But it is pretty easy in theory.
I get however, that a professional process is.. more complicated than just one guy changing a few lines.
I'll concede whatever point you want at that stupid line, my only point was that adding options is NOT a difficult task and they can be added in bulk. If adding a simple option is hard because of everything it has to go through, then everything else is a thousand times harder.
The only point is that they could easily do it, and openly refused because they don't want too many options. And in most case, those options could just be .ini-style/console command options.
Its not far fetched to add options for the most wanted nitpicking stuff and their "philosophy" is to deny options for the sake of denying them, which is what I disagree with.
Now you can please just get over the fact that I'm not a programmer.
I love to hear the sound of my keyboard.
And their -mistake- is over-prioritizing a security that barely affects me to cut important things that affects TONS of people dramatically.
If the world over-prioritized security, everybody would be living in a cage.
Anyways... neither you SFJake... or Adon have any credibility... you were bitching about EVERYTHING before diablo 3 even came out. And SFJake specifically has done NOTHING but complain since the game was announced in 2008.
Are you guys geniunely trolls? Do you come here with the actual intention to get a rise out of people? Or do you simply hate the world... hate life... and hate other people actually enjoying things so much that you need to take the time out of your day to be a debby downer?
And to Maka - WTF happened to you sir? You used to be a decent forum contributor... as excited and happy as everyone else... and then approximately a few months ago you turned into a jerk?
A) A job
A girlfriend
C) A reality check
D) All the above
It's really just a game, if people are having fun i don't see a problem with it. If you and a few thousand others want to whine and complain about little things just leave it to yourself and gossip with whatever friends or objects you give personification to. Just go out and get some fresh air man!
I mean look at me, I've never played D2, and very little of D1, and yet I think I can say I grasp the concept of Diablo better than you do, OP.
I have a feel Vlad says Hi too....
I did not read the entire thing TBH, and I just read the TL;DR list of bad things. lets go down the line shall we.
-Semi-agree. There needed to be more than just inferno and there wasn't. there wasn't anything radical about it.
-Meh I wanted more skill options but i do think they needed to limit it, Having every skill at once is too OP as then there would be no penalty for switching on the fly. 6 as of now feels like too little, i feel as though I need certain skills still and then I've wasted spots for cool skills that I want to use.8-9 should've been the amount Tab, LMB, RMB, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
-Not true I use my mouse alone, I have a naga epic so I'm not entirely sure if you can bind MB4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 to the skills, but I'm sure it is possible.
-It should've been default. end of story
-Don't mind it helps them out reduces hacks keeps me happy
-This isn't really an issue Diablo has always been click to move style no reason to change it really.
-don't mind I never use them I see where people could want them though.
-Not too sure what options you're looking for, a little more detail would help here.
-I dodge some melee attacks but I agree some are un-dodgeable and I get hit from like 30-40 yards away.
-This is semi-good semi-bad It provides the outlet if you wanna trade for that one piece of gear, but it also makes it feel necessary.
-I hate the grind but god in Diablo it feels so much more fun just plowing through monsters.
-Same as above, won't use it though only gold here.
-Agreed something went wrong here
-Agreed they're LEGENDARY for a reason. If they didn't want them to be the best of the best they shouldn't have put them in the game.
-Not sure I understand you point on this one.
-Debateable I think it still holds true to what it was.
-I hate the dumbification of games, this one is no different as is every other damn game coming out. I can't wait to become a game dev so I can say fuck it no we won't make it easier for five year olds.
-Dis agree completely. Rune system is a huge dare It is completely innovative and nothing is like it. I feel like they pushged the boundaries a bit but they could have pushed them more.
How does leaving the door open to player hack manipulation in any way insignificant? There were all sorts of hacks people ran in online D2, not the least of which were damage and health that seemed nearly infinite. Hacking alone made much of D2's online experience poor. Add to that, duping, and I have little reason to wonder why the door was left closed this time.
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But still, the more important thing to me is enjoying this game I have waited too long! :Thumbs Up: