In my opinion there is nothing wrong with a reveal map (only the outline) program. In fact, Blizzard should just patch the game to where the outlines of the map are revealed to you anyway. With as old as the game is, and as much as everyone has played it, nobody wants to sit there searching for the door to go to the next level, they want to immediately get there (relatively) and get to the action.
Duping, bots, and other hacks like that are a serious problem ... but I really can't see a problem with something that reveals the map.
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Personally, I think this is going to be another failed attempt by Blizzard to try and stop bots, hacking, duping, etc...I think they posted that message to make people beleive that they are doing something about it, when really it is just another futile attempt...even though I would love to see these hacks, etc. go, I just dont think they ever will, especially for such an old game, but we can all hope though!
In regards to the maphack, I have to agree with Lydeck on this one. I think they should go ahead and reveal the outline of the map (not necessarily everything) from the get go, or be able to buy the map from a vendor or something...I have been playing this game for so long that searching for everything is just frustrating and unnnecessary imo, especially during MF runs (even though I know how to find some things based on the map)...but yea, I just believe that they should go ahead and give us the map, and then we dont have to worry about maphack anymore and everyone is equal...
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First of all to those crying about maphack if you have been plAying the game for longer than a year you should already know the Map spawns. Secondly, measure twice cut once. These things take time but usually when they release a patch they don't have to go back And redo it.
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TPPK needs fixed the most, imo. I'm one who cannot complete normal mode because it is too boring. "I died! NP, I'll just click my body and try again." Hardcore is where the fun is for me (and many others). In general, Hardcore is impossible thanks to TPPK. If you play HC in public, you will be killed by TPPK. Period.
If they fix everything else, I care not. If my games are crammed full of spam bots, then I'm cool with that as long as I know that TPPK is fixed for good.
Im against all hacking..Even maphacks. I got to the point without hacks that I started to memorize some of the maps. I felt proud to knwo where I was goin without map hacks. I laugh at all who think even some hacks are ok...they are not.....I hope all hacks are eliminated. I dont care what anyone says hacks suck. Play the game fair play it right and good luck!
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TPPK is not a cheat, and someone that uses 3rd party programs to give them a advantage only cares about the psychology of their own. And many people might not understand your "philosophy" but this is not the way the game is intended to be played like. Like it or not but if you think that your "psychology/philosophy" gives you some kind of moral right or jurisdiction to cheat then your wrong.
um TPPK is a cheat. and they are fixing the security so it is obviously how the game is supposed to be played with out cheating.
they talked about people who run multiple instances of the agme on one coputer... what about those of us (being me and my brother) who have 2 separate computers but play on the same acct... that wont be affected will it?
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I personally don't really care much if hacks stay or go in d2, i would have a couple years ago, but its so old now lol. d3 is where it will be at and thats where they better pick up there game, and im pretty sure they would have learnt alot from d2 and the way it turned out.
TPPK is not a cheat, and someone that uses 3rd party programs to give them a advantage only cares about the psychology of their own. And many people might not understand your "philosophy" but this is not the way the game is intended to be played like. Like it or not but if you think that your "psychology/philosophy" gives you some kind of moral right or jurisdiction to cheat then your wrong.
It's sad to hear that it makes your life much more colorful. But perhaps you're just taking it out on others?
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WTF are they thinking? they want to monitor games and ban anyone who uses cheats?
this is bullshit, i'm not gonna stay like a whole day in front of my PC just to make 10 meph runs.
maphack is the gratest thing on D2. i've been playin the game for so many years and we just asked them to remove DUPING! LET US HAVE FUN PLZ.
People like you ruined the community of D2. Thanks a lot!
Lazy people like you that don't want to put any effort for their characters, they get rushed to hell, someone else makes the kills for your exp and after you have got your character made up to high levels you use cheats to make the game even easier.. weird that you didn't mention bot in there because with bot you wouldn't have to put any effort for playing.. wouldn't that be wonderful, you have a game that you don't have to play by yourself.
I had a friend in battle.net that started to use bots and everytime he logged in to battle.net he friend messaged some stupid whine how his bot didn't find any good items.
Anyways other target of blame is LOD, it made the game 90% of item hunting, people just started to run for items for some reason. And the good items dropped from bosses where you had to make multiple runs which lead to maphacks and eventually bots because they were the most efficient way of gaining more powerful items.
Honestly, I think they need to crack out cheating all together. If Blizzard wanted cheat codes in their game, they would have coded them just like ANY other game designer. If they left a glitch, thats not cheating IMO, thats using what Blizzard left us to our advantage. If you have to use a third party program to complete the game, you probably should be playing WoW. Even if you wanted to use an addon similar to a WoW addon, so be it, but anything that modifies your character, gives you godmode, provides the whole map for you, or just plain out plays your character for you is cheating.
In my book, even the dupes weren't cheating, they were just glitches Bliz didn't pick up or just chose not to. If its in the script, its part of the game, simple as that. The problem is, Blizzard doesn't want these things anymore, and if that just ruins your fantasy boat then sorry, but nobody likes online multiplayer cheaters, they just ruin the game.
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Honestly, I think they need to crack out cheating all together. If Blizzard wanted cheat codes in their game, they would have coded them just like ANY other game designer. If they left a glitch, thats not cheating IMO, thats using what Blizzard left us to our advantage. If you have to use a third party program to complete the game, you probably should be playing WoW. Even if you wanted to use an addon similar to a WoW addon, so be it, but anything that modifies your character, gives you godmode, provides the whole map for you, or just plain out plays your character for you is cheating.
In my book, even the dupes weren't cheating, they were just glitches Bliz didn't pick up or just chose not to. If its in the script, its part of the game, simple as that. The problem is, Blizzard doesn't want these things anymore, and if that just ruins your fantasy boat then sorry, but nobody likes online multiplayer cheaters, they just ruin the game.
/agreed!!! I didnt like the dupes though but I agree. Hacking is just plain old lame.
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I liked the dupes myself back in the day where I was too young to understand working a little for my gear.
Personally the reason why I say dupes are straight is because if a dupe is there in the first place, its a glitch or it was intended, something Blizzard could work hard to monitor and fix quickly even if the released game incidentally have dupes. For that reason alone I do not feel that Blizzard has any good reason to ban a duper. Don't hate the duper, hate the game and fix it the right way like you should have a long time ago.
That being said, I pray and hope Blizzard doesn't slap dupers. They will happen as long as duping is possible, and the only correct way to fix it is to remove duping, not the duper. You make a firm choice by downloading a third party cheat client, knowing wholeheartedly that you are cheating behind Blizzard's back. Duping can occur accidentally, and even then it can be learned and abused as an in game glitch.
As you can see, there is ethics that need to be established around this new policy to make sure the "Iron Fist" doesn't hit the wrong people. Let that Iron Fist ban hackers and script kiddies, but for Christ's sakes don't let it reach its long arm out to people who find glitches in YOUR game....
Only reason I say this is because I know people who got banned for going underneath Stormwind City in WoW, which is not a hack, its a glitch left in the game. That was utter bullshizzle, Bliz knows it, we all know it, so please just cut to the chase and only ban people for cheats outside of the game script. If you can't fix it or your just too damn lazy, then I feel I have every right to abuse that glitch to its fullest, something I honestly wouldn't even like to be able to do knowing I would probably abuse it.
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First off, I would like to say hey to everyone! I have been reading these forums for quite some time now but have really kept to myself, but now I have decided to put my two cents in...:)
Personally, I think this is going to be another failed attempt by Blizzard to try and stop bots, hacking, duping, etc...I think they posted that message to make people beleive that they are doing something about it, when really it is just another futile attempt...even though I would love to see these hacks, etc. go, I just dont think they ever will, especially for such an old game, but we can all hope though!
In regards to the maphack, I have to agree with Lydeck on this one. I think they should go ahead and reveal the outline of the map (not necessarily everything) from the get go, or be able to buy the map from a vendor or something...I have been playing this game for so long that searching for everything is just frustrating and unnnecessary imo, especially during MF runs (even though I know how to find some things based on the map)...but yea, I just believe that they should go ahead and give us the map, and then we dont have to worry about maphack anymore and everyone is equal...
If they fix everything else, I care not. If my games are crammed full of spam bots, then I'm cool with that as long as I know that TPPK is fixed for good.
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um TPPK is a cheat. and they are fixing the security so it is obviously how the game is supposed to be played with out cheating.
*raises his hand* :-/
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the website i got it off of said what i wrote but it's all good.
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Lazy people like you that don't want to put any effort for their characters, they get rushed to hell, someone else makes the kills for your exp and after you have got your character made up to high levels you use cheats to make the game even easier.. weird that you didn't mention bot in there because with bot you wouldn't have to put any effort for playing.. wouldn't that be wonderful, you have a game that you don't have to play by yourself.
I had a friend in battle.net that started to use bots and everytime he logged in to battle.net he friend messaged some stupid whine how his bot didn't find any good items.
Anyways other target of blame is LOD, it made the game 90% of item hunting, people just started to run for items for some reason. And the good items dropped from bosses where you had to make multiple runs which lead to maphacks and eventually bots because they were the most efficient way of gaining more powerful items.
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In my book, even the dupes weren't cheating, they were just glitches Bliz didn't pick up or just chose not to. If its in the script, its part of the game, simple as that. The problem is, Blizzard doesn't want these things anymore, and if that just ruins your fantasy boat then sorry, but nobody likes online multiplayer cheaters, they just ruin the game.
/agreed!!! I didnt like the dupes though but I agree. Hacking is just plain old lame.
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Personally the reason why I say dupes are straight is because if a dupe is there in the first place, its a glitch or it was intended, something Blizzard could work hard to monitor and fix quickly even if the released game incidentally have dupes. For that reason alone I do not feel that Blizzard has any good reason to ban a duper. Don't hate the duper, hate the game and fix it the right way like you should have a long time ago.
That being said, I pray and hope Blizzard doesn't slap dupers. They will happen as long as duping is possible, and the only correct way to fix it is to remove duping, not the duper. You make a firm choice by downloading a third party cheat client, knowing wholeheartedly that you are cheating behind Blizzard's back. Duping can occur accidentally, and even then it can be learned and abused as an in game glitch.
As you can see, there is ethics that need to be established around this new policy to make sure the "Iron Fist" doesn't hit the wrong people. Let that Iron Fist ban hackers and script kiddies, but for Christ's sakes don't let it reach its long arm out to people who find glitches in YOUR game....
Only reason I say this is because I know people who got banned for going underneath Stormwind City in WoW, which is not a hack, its a glitch left in the game. That was utter bullshizzle, Bliz knows it, we all know it, so please just cut to the chase and only ban people for cheats outside of the game script. If you can't fix it or your just too damn lazy, then I feel I have every right to abuse that glitch to its fullest, something I honestly wouldn't even like to be able to do knowing I would probably abuse it.