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"Check out this cool monk build!" doesn't show the actual build. lol

Last week someone mentioned how, for people not interested in a particular class, quoting the entire guide/post forces these users to scroll through a huuuge part of the post to get to where they want. That's why this time I decided to preview just the very beginning of the build, and if people want to check the build in its entirety, they can check it on Blizzard's page.

Now if you're just talking about wanting the "calculator" link, I've added it to the post to make it easier for people to check it. But bear in mind that a "build" nowadays, with the way items work, is not just about which skills you use.

Your feedback is appreciated though, and if I see more people with the same mindset (who prefer the full guide featured on our front page), I'll consider talking to our admins and change this style of posting.

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Witch doctor article links to the wrong page on the Blizzard site: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/14322661/blizzard-entertainment-returns-to-san-diego-comic-con-6-2-2014

Fixed. Thanks for the heads-up.

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400-500 kills for RG to spawn, not 999.

Precisely 450  :)

Maybe they don't know or haven't decided on what to do with that particular set?

The 2 AP per second isn't as bad as most people think, it's actually pretty useful. And the small bonus to elemental damage is similar to a Monk's 0.33 Spirit/sec - aka pretty underwhelming.

It would be interesting if it promoted some sort of multiple elemental build, like that PoE passive (can't remember it) that promotes cycling multiple elemental damage types.

Yeah that's what I'm saying.

It's a somewhat valid conspiracy theory. And one nobody will ever be able to 100% confirm, or deny. It's a win/win scenario!

And then we move on to other things. Like discussing a solution that pleases both pro-ladder and non-ladder players.

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Trading has been a core part of D2 and D3. I just dont see how they think it is a good idea...

It's amazing how many times I will see people saying this, and then how many times I will hear the exact opposite (from people who don't like trading at all and do not agree that Trading is a core part of the Diablo experience).

As time passes, it feels more and more a 50/50 split, with both parties never reaching a middle ground agreement.

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There's a 12 page thread that contains - amongst all the (understandable) rage about this proposition - probably way more than 10.

Alas, it does not. It only has the usual "I can't resist trading if it's there, so let's get rid of it".

Whether you consider the arguments reasonable/logic doesn't change what they are, or the fact that others do consider them very good reasons for BoA/soulbound.
I haven't formed my personal opinion on whether the reasons are logical or not, since we haven't heard almost anything on this from the devs pov.

By the way, can't we all like agree that this is their ultimate stance in order to fight third party website trading (it's a CONSPIRACY!) and pretend there's nothing we can do to change it? This way we can kinda move forward with the argument and discussions, instead of being in this endless stalemate.

I don't know if that is true or not, but at least believing in that would make us move on, like we had to do with "online only DRM" or "unmoddable game" issues.

@Maka (how it could be)



There is space for 5 tabs, yet they only use 3
With the new philosophy, we could really use those extra 2 tabs (on the bottom).

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With all this soulbound madness...I just wish the stash was bigger. like, a lot bigger.

If they stick to the BoA idea and keep drop rates as high as they say, there is no way they can keep the stash that small. I'd buy a second copy of D3 just for additional stash in that case. Hate to throw things away.

They said they have no plans to increase stash space. I spoke against it and someone called me a hoarder.

HOARDER!

But honestly I'd love at least the two additional spaces that just sit empty right now.

This ^

Makes no sense to not use that..

I can't believe t-shirts like these (1 2 3 4) didn't get to the top 5. Some of the top 5 are really "meh", and that Tyrael's Might (number 1) looks very professional, as if Blizzard themselves designed it.

Some very cool new info

I hope we can have any semblance of balance with those crazy legendaries, or at least that they deal with the extremely broken stuff on a more regular basis (when we find out about what's OP)...

We've had enough of mirror characters in D3 vanilla imo.

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"Difficulty_4_Locked - This difficulty is locked until you get at least one hero to level 60" - so I take it we're back to 4 difficulties, so long Torment?

We were never even sure if we left the 4 difficulties (it was a datamined incomplete info and very debatable)... how can we be "back to" it?

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I think a 7th skill slot would be awesome - As a coodown only skill. Aka you can only place say Archon, WoTB or say Seven sided strike in the 7th slot because i know 1 Ive never used any type of long CD skill because it just does not feel worth it. 15 sec of glory or 1 powerful attack then i am useless for 2 mins? No thanks.

Ive talked to a ton of players 20+ about this idea and they all love it. 6 normal skills you can set your build to then pick 1 uber cooldown skill based on what you like. for EXP i would totaly pick WoTB for the + Dodge chance as mine for an amaizng def cooldown. No way in hell i'd use it any other time with just 6 skills tho.

That's a very interesting idea.

It would be like a "ultimate" skill slot (similar to what mobas have). But that would require those skills to be removed from the Normal Skill pool then. But I kinda like the core concept of giving these "ultimate" abilities a separate system.

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I'm still curious, can anyone answer if this is it for the datamined updates? (until they load new stuff up?) Or are there still things you guys are trying to flesh out?

I wonder why the diablofans guys are avoiding this question so intently... It's as if they're afraid they're going to give some sort of surprise away.

Nah it's more likely that we're still figuring out if there's anything else worth sharing.. and that can also take some time (you know, double checking stuff). Good for now?

Always expect moar?

I get your points a little clearer this time @riptide. I do agree with your concern. The attackspeed issue could probably have been foreseen (and should've been internally tested). Also true that 850 Life on Hit would be a lot less valuable in the expansion (we can already foresee that health pools will be increased significantly).

Btw, just for the record, I do agree that changing Shadow Power's Lifesteal into Life on Hit might not be the best solution (but I also think Shadow Power cannot stay in its current state).

I'd rather see them try something like 5-6% lifesteal. Or maybe even allow the 15% burst-Lifesteal for say, 2-3 seconds, and then have it be reduced for the rest of the duration (and then increase it to 10 second duration); trying to bring back the old concept, but keeping some sort of sustain bonus there.

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Thechnically, this IS from the PTR A wee bit unintended and released early, as the servers aren't live yet, but this was posted by Blizzard to the public content delivery network which is used in open betas, public tests, and live games.

Well, at least it's not from a "playable" PTR, I guess. Because some things there are have some crazy numbers (Meteor's 1820% damage Pulsar).

Apart from the WD, all classes will have to make gearing changes, and on the high end every piece is super expensive. I know that all gear will be replaced when I hit level 70, but there will be months of level 60 gaming between the patch and the expansion. I don't want to get instantly crippled on level 60 once again, just because Blizzard wants to fix things it screwed up. I never invested RM in my characters, but time is more precious anyways, and there is over 1500h of gameplay in my character. Please understand my concern.

It will probably start being replaced at around level 65-66. But yeah the bolded part is a very fair concern.

I still like the idea of seeing them mixing things up. We played with the current setups for almost a year, and it's gonna be a couple more months without changes. I also don't think you will have to swap out every piece of gear with some of these changes.

Good stats will always mean a powerful character. It's not like Crit Chance and attackspeed become useless just because some skills were changed.

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if a skill or rune is missing - this means it was not changed at all

Actually, it more likely means they haven't implemented/tested any ideas for that yet. Probably still discussing what sounds best.

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I think everyone understands the disclaimer. I think people also understand there is a process to tuning abilities. So when there's drastic changes like the shadow power one, which is not an appropriate number, people will call them on it for even thinking that was a valid number for testing.

I didn't get your point. You say the Shadow Power change is uncalled for? Btw, it's not really a number change. It's a concept change.

Giving a character the ability to have an on-demand 15% lifesteal is problematic. Because except for Barbs (which can get 9% lifesteal, or I guess could ;)), classes like the Wizard and WD will never come even close to that sort of sustain. It also means that class doesn't need to care about any sustain in gear, and pretty much all that matters is getting enough Discipline to keep that up all the time.

Shadow Power was obviously designed as a "burst heal", not as an "infinite sustain" that outshadows all other Discipline abilities. That concept didn't work. And the %-based Sustain neither.

Maybe they're trying something new. We don't know what was discussed internally. Can't say I totally disagree with them for wanting to mix things up.

Math doesn't leave room for debate, feelings or opinions. Again unless they change the coefficients for demon hunter to something ridiculously high, like 4-6x , this number is way off for practical testing purposes. So the only way that their judgment wouldn't be rightfully ridiculed.. would be if they just randomly typed in a number.

Having a hard time understanding this part. As I said, it's not even a "math" change. It's a concept change. 800+ Life on Hit is significant, and we don't even know what they're doing with proc ratios. So really? No room for debate or explanations? At all?

As an aside. I'd rather be the guy that jumped the gun and made a case for something that didn't need one. Rather than say nothing and watch the change come to pass, because of lack of foresight on their part. (i.e. attack speed values @ launch)

You mean the Attack Speed change shouldn't have happened?

Also, I didn't mean: "do not criticize any change whatsoever". If you're against the Shadow Power change, discuss it, voice your opinion, say it's unreasonable, think of alternatives, try to prove how the skill isn't broken (you're gonna have a hard time with that one).

But there's no need to go overboard with the reactions.

My point was: we don't even know if these changes are gonna make it to a PTR/beta until they do. Big skill changes like this will very likely go through a PTR testing. And that's the adequate moment for strong and well informed feedback, not now.