Holy cow This makes me happy simply because it will help alleviate the grumbles of some that really hated the AH. It's also nice because then loot will really be about farming the game and not the AH. I liked the instant convenience, but yeah it certainly killed the the thrill of finding that specific item you wanted to complete a build.
It also makes the transmog system more rewarding since you will in fact need to find the items to store the skin to yr account rather than running to the ah and grabbing the cheapest one to use.
The only thing I am scared of is farming gems o.o Lol
Kudos Blizzard. I am VERY impressed with how the game has changed. Thanks!
I've been playing the PC version since beta and just switched over to the console version. I have to say that not having the AH as a temptation or even a part of the console experience has been rather nice. I am looking forward to seeing how this pans out for the pc version and hope to find the experience just as enjoyable. To those who may ask why did I bother with both versions of the game. That is simple. I get to play the game along with my wife sitting beside her on the couch instead of at our computers and it is easier to play on the console when you have a 17month old running around or just hand her the third controller with her own character and watch her discover that she can make her WD do things and roll around the screen.
If third party sites bother you so much then stop using them?
I don't use them. Problem is, a lot of people do. There will be scams in trade and on third-party sites, credit card numbers stolen, in short hell will break loose. Moreover, Blizzard will have to spend (like in the good old days) money on lawsuits against the said sites. From every economical point of view, it's a lose-lose situation.
The worst thing they [blizz] did was embrace their "metod" and sort of - legalize it ingame, now they fix that mistake. With or without BOA there will be third party sites that sell items, you can't fixt that. Even blizzard can't.
Sure, but if you have a secure environment provided, it looks much more attractive compared to some Chinese website.
this does suck but BLIZZARD IF U READ ANYONES POST READ THIS if you are going to take away the AH add a lobby where players can gather in person an trade. Trade chat is just not the same thats all i have to say about that an also this was the best and only game i knew of you could make legit money with paypal an now thats gone. So pretty dumb move guys cuz this game was built around that whole idea way to kill your guys game 100%...sigh
I always thought Blizzard might do this, but I picked the odds as being so low it wasn't worth taking the possibility seriously.
Truth be told, I'm going to miss the GAH. I only really used it to plug gaps in my gear (and, not going to lie, find a pile of -levelreq gear for my alts), but Loot2.0 should take care of that nicely.
Not sure I want to know how this is going to affect the bot situation... constant streams of gold-site spammers dropping in and out of public games doesn't sound that great to me. Hopefully Blizzard has/will have some good tools for spotting that crap quickly.
We shall see.
Also, well done all the gloaters in this thread. Your bravery shall be... well... forgotten within days, I'm sure. But still, kudos.
Yes? Yees? More yes. Oh god so much yes. YEEEEES!! There is hope for Blizzard after all!!
Now if only they used their AH money to hire a good script writing team I'd be as happy as can be. For now though, it will be nice for once to not be punished for playing the game the right way! I had my doubts about RoS before, but if the AH is out of the equation, then I'm really looking forward to how crazy they are going to go with all the new loot and other features. AH affected so many aspects of the game that I can only begin to imagine what the game is going to be like when it's gone.
And dare I say, now that there is no real money involved in the game, offline mode might make a surprise return? Get rid of that ridiculously annoying yellow/red bar on the side of my HUD and play lag-free. It's starting to feel like the good old days already.
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im so happy about this. Finally im not stuck farming gold to buy upgrades and getting drops that wont sell since they are not in the 0.00001% top tier of items with perfect rolls. I never played the AH much, and after i stopped playing for a while, im now screwed since I cant afford good upgrades, and gold is so slow since w/e I find doesnt even sell for 100k.
Im tempted to start fresh in the expansion, just disenchant and vendor all my gear, delete the heroes and start all over with the crusader.
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A piece of the puzzle is still missing. Even with loot 2.0 and the mystic allowing you to reroll 1 stat to be better but making it boa, there will still be items that are better than others. If they leave trading in completely then people will just start using 3rd party sites to find the things they want which will just make scams rise. Maybe they will also restrict trading to only be with people that are in your party when the item drops like WoW does for most bop gear.
Also, what the fuck do I do with my bnet balance that I can't even use in the blizzard store or to pay for WoW gametime? I don't want to lose an extra 15% by converting it to gold and trying to cash out the gold to paypal if it even sells while everyone else is trying to cash out too.
My only problem with this is trading. How will we trade besides the spam affiliated Chat Channels? At least in Diablo 2, and even Diablo 1 you could create a game that was searchable through a lobby where the host was able to put what trade they wanted "2x Sojo 4 Shako" etc. I've played 900 hours+ on PC, and a good 200 or so on Console so far, and although yes the loot is nice on Console, I feel like my drops really don't matter except for self progression, after I am done or outgrew the item there's nothing to do with it but drop, or destroy it, vendor values are too low to even think of selling anything besides magic, and even they are better salvaged. there is no real way to trade items except with friends, and the only friends I have that play with me are so close in relation we just give the item(s) to each other freely. There's no real value to anything, there's no market, no real way to sell, or buy something you've been looking for. You just have to spend all the time yourself to get the items.
Sure, playing the game, great! But there's legendaries, and rare items for a reason. Diablo has always been about gear, but its always also mostly been a cooperative game with a market. I feel like there should be an easier way to trade, and please just open up all acts so we can manuever through the game IN a game, and not have to exit to lobby every time.
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A piece of the puzzle is still missing. Even with loot 2.0 and the mystic allowing you to reroll 1 stat to be better but making it boa, there will still be items that are better than others. If they leave trading in completely then people will just start using 3rd party sites to find the things they want which will just make scams rise. Maybe they will also restrict trading to only be with people that are in your party when the item drops like WoW does for most bop gear.
There's no problem with 3rd party sites, trading through forums (official trade forum, D2JSP, DFans trade section), trade channel, or occasional trading with friends.
The problem was that "in your face" mentality that the AH was literally easier to enter than a new game (1 click vs 2 clicks). Imagine all the new game-breaking items of Loot 2.0; there's no point if you can just buy everything in a split second.
Of course you can get all of this through other trading channels. But it's spread everywhere - some will use public trade channels, some will use 3rd party scam sites, some will use the official forum, some D2JSP, ... and so on. Items will be everywhere, there won't be one central source for distributing everything anymore.
Furthermore, people will stop to put up everything. Right now, people even put up items that yield 3000 gold (I bought a really nice amulet for my friend's monk for just 3279 gold last night, simply winning the bid as only bidder). With the additional hassle and the required time investment, all items below a certain threshold will just disappear, which in turn will slow down item dissemination. There will even be people salvaging really good items because they don't care. I played D2 for 10+ years and never traded publicly, I probably threw loads of items at Gheed that were worth many PGs or even high runes, but I didn't care, and I still don't.
In the end, we will go back to something similar as in D2: many people are so annoyed by the D3 AH experience that they will go back to D2 self-found (incl. trading with friends). Many will miss the AH and create a new, unofficial AH (eventually, one popular website will become the new AH, and it might very well be D2JSP, unless they make some huge mistakes). Some might occasionally trade since they have tasted what it's like now; so the trading community will be bigger than it was back in D2, but not as big as it is now.
I'm gonna call it now... they're shutting down the auction house so everyone who hates it buys the expansion anyway... after that they'll create an 'auction house ladder' that supports it... win win, they reset the economy and introduce it in a new mode with resets so price don't inflate too much over time and they get back all the people who left because of it.
The way I see it is forums that trade items already.. like on here and on d2jsp..
THEY ARE GOING TO EXPLODE WITH ACTIVITY!
Think of the web traffic they are going to get once this change happens? Ad revenue is going to shoot through the roof.
Blizzard just let the website owners make a lot more money.
So what? If people are so greedy and impatient that they can't be content with the fact that they won't get everything they ever want (be it in game or IRL) then by all means, go buy stuff on third party sites for money and risk being scammed. But such behaviour should never have been supported in the first place and it's the right move for the health of the game. I don't care that some bloke will be chewing on add revenue money and another idiot will get scammed out of all his cash, each deserves what they get from that exchange. Meanwhile me and I dare say most of the people who play D3 will be enjoying a better, improved game where it is ok to have something that is ridiculously overpowered and wacky simply because you no longer need to care about what the price of the thing will be on the AH and whether it will invalidate all the purchases people have made. It will be development in favour of the enjoyment of the game and not development restricted by some virtual economy that shouldn't have existed in the first place.
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There was one question that wasn't asked that I wish was.
IMO, the only reason PC users didn't have access to an off-line mode was almost entirely because of the auction houses to prevent hackers from abusing the system for profit. Now that the auction houses are being removed, could the possibility of an off-line mode for PC users come about?
Unfortunately, I don't expect that to happen because an off-line mode does leave the battle.net game vulnerable to malicious that not having an off-line mode currently helps protect. Still though, it'd be much like D2 and security measures have been improved upon by leaps and bounds. I sincerely hope Blizzard considers an off-line mode for PC users assuming they can protect their online game's integrity, which Blizzard should be able to handle with no issues.
edit: I should have read more of the thread, apparently this has already been discussed. whoops, my bad
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It also makes the transmog system more rewarding since you will in fact need to find the items to store the skin to yr account rather than running to the ah and grabbing the cheapest one to use.
The only thing I am scared of is farming gems o.o Lol
Kudos Blizzard. I am VERY impressed with how the game has changed. Thanks!
I don't use them. Problem is, a lot of people do. There will be scams in trade and on third-party sites, credit card numbers stolen, in short hell will break loose. Moreover, Blizzard will have to spend (like in the good old days) money on lawsuits against the said sites. From every economical point of view, it's a lose-lose situation.
Sure, but if you have a secure environment provided, it looks much more attractive compared to some Chinese website.
Truth be told, I'm going to miss the GAH. I only really used it to plug gaps in my gear (and, not going to lie, find a pile of -levelreq gear for my alts), but Loot2.0 should take care of that nicely.
Not sure I want to know how this is going to affect the bot situation... constant streams of gold-site spammers dropping in and out of public games doesn't sound that great to me. Hopefully Blizzard has/will have some good tools for spotting that crap quickly.
We shall see.
Also, well done all the gloaters in this thread. Your bravery shall be... well... forgotten within days, I'm sure. But still, kudos.
Now if only they used their AH money to hire a good script writing team I'd be as happy as can be. For now though, it will be nice for once to not be punished for playing the game the right way! I had my doubts about RoS before, but if the AH is out of the equation, then I'm really looking forward to how crazy they are going to go with all the new loot and other features. AH affected so many aspects of the game that I can only begin to imagine what the game is going to be like when it's gone.
And dare I say, now that there is no real money involved in the game, offline mode might make a surprise return? Get rid of that ridiculously annoying yellow/red bar on the side of my HUD and play lag-free. It's starting to feel like the good old days already.
Throw up your 100% totally legit BotD or Enigma. Yeah, those runes were just dropping like candy for totally self found folks.
Celebrate good times indeed.
Im tempted to start fresh in the expansion, just disenchant and vendor all my gear, delete the heroes and start all over with the crusader.
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THEY ARE GOING TO EXPLODE WITH ACTIVITY!
Think of the web traffic they are going to get once this change happens? Ad revenue is going to shoot through the roof.
Blizzard just let the website owners make a lot more money.
Also, what the fuck do I do with my bnet balance that I can't even use in the blizzard store or to pay for WoW gametime? I don't want to lose an extra 15% by converting it to gold and trying to cash out the gold to paypal if it even sells while everyone else is trying to cash out too.
Sure, playing the game, great! But there's legendaries, and rare items for a reason. Diablo has always been about gear, but its always also mostly been a cooperative game with a market. I feel like there should be an easier way to trade, and please just open up all acts so we can manuever through the game IN a game, and not have to exit to lobby every time.
There's no problem with 3rd party sites, trading through forums (official trade forum, D2JSP, DFans trade section), trade channel, or occasional trading with friends.
The problem was that "in your face" mentality that the AH was literally easier to enter than a new game (1 click vs 2 clicks). Imagine all the new game-breaking items of Loot 2.0; there's no point if you can just buy everything in a split second.
Of course you can get all of this through other trading channels. But it's spread everywhere - some will use public trade channels, some will use 3rd party scam sites, some will use the official forum, some D2JSP, ... and so on. Items will be everywhere, there won't be one central source for distributing everything anymore.
Furthermore, people will stop to put up everything. Right now, people even put up items that yield 3000 gold (I bought a really nice amulet for my friend's monk for just 3279 gold last night, simply winning the bid as only bidder). With the additional hassle and the required time investment, all items below a certain threshold will just disappear, which in turn will slow down item dissemination. There will even be people salvaging really good items because they don't care. I played D2 for 10+ years and never traded publicly, I probably threw loads of items at Gheed that were worth many PGs or even high runes, but I didn't care, and I still don't.
In the end, we will go back to something similar as in D2: many people are so annoyed by the D3 AH experience that they will go back to D2 self-found (incl. trading with friends). Many will miss the AH and create a new, unofficial AH (eventually, one popular website will become the new AH, and it might very well be D2JSP, unless they make some huge mistakes). Some might occasionally trade since they have tasted what it's like now; so the trading community will be bigger than it was back in D2, but not as big as it is now.
So what? If people are so greedy and impatient that they can't be content with the fact that they won't get everything they ever want (be it in game or IRL) then by all means, go buy stuff on third party sites for money and risk being scammed. But such behaviour should never have been supported in the first place and it's the right move for the health of the game. I don't care that some bloke will be chewing on add revenue money and another idiot will get scammed out of all his cash, each deserves what they get from that exchange. Meanwhile me and I dare say most of the people who play D3 will be enjoying a better, improved game where it is ok to have something that is ridiculously overpowered and wacky simply because you no longer need to care about what the price of the thing will be on the AH and whether it will invalidate all the purchases people have made. It will be development in favour of the enjoyment of the game and not development restricted by some virtual economy that shouldn't have existed in the first place.
IMO, the only reason PC users didn't have access to an off-line mode was almost entirely because of the auction houses to prevent hackers from abusing the system for profit. Now that the auction houses are being removed, could the possibility of an off-line mode for PC users come about?
Unfortunately, I don't expect that to happen because an off-line mode does leave the battle.net game vulnerable to malicious that not having an off-line mode currently helps protect. Still though, it'd be much like D2 and security measures have been improved upon by leaps and bounds. I sincerely hope Blizzard considers an off-line mode for PC users assuming they can protect their online game's integrity, which Blizzard should be able to handle with no issues.
edit: I should have read more of the thread, apparently this has already been discussed. whoops, my bad
Bringing torment and pain to others.
Your damned soul wallowing in your sin.
Perhaps...
it is time to die.