I recently saw a thread on MMO-Champion asking this very same question, I liked idea of having a thread about something like this.
So to make it a bit more interesting for you I'll split it into 2 questions:
What's the hardest single player game/s you've played?
What's the hardest multiplayer game/s you've ever played?
Feel free to answer either or both of them!
The hardest single player game I've played - For me it's a tie between Commander Keen and Crystal Caves on DOS. Both really fun but can be so damn hard at points
The hardest multiplayer game I've played - Arma 2 and 3. Both incredibly fun but very hard.
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
Commander Keen? That's funny - I've played all of them and I'd put them rather on my "easiest games ever" list. It probably depends... if they were your first games then you ultimately struggle a bit (I remember my first time playing Civilization and 2 hours in I got completely killed by the Aztecs with their tanks while I was still riding horses - with a bit of practice the game is a piece of cake). That being said, I think many games depend on your difficulty setting.
WoW is a complete casual player game - however, aiming for world first kill (well, at least to be among one of the first) and "practicing" C'Thun in Ahn'Qiraj was pretty crazy. We went to this encounter and just practiced our moves over and over again for 6 weeks even though we knew it was impossible to beat, just waiting for the fix. And the entire time you had to be perfectly focused and do the right moves or you'd get insta-killed by a beam... until one day Blizzard fixed the tentacle spawn ;-)
Other than that, I really don't play multiplayer games that much.
In terms of single player, again, adjusting the "difficulty setting" is just what makes some games hard. But one game that I felt particularly well-balanced and difficult in many ways despite having some experience was "Commandos". You had to study the moves of so many enemies in order to meet the mission's goals. One thing that I often did in these games was to set my own additional mission goals: kill as few people as possible. Or in Alpha Centauri (amazing game) win without a war. My favorite "win" of all time is when I played a round of Alpha Centauri, put a city on the highest spot on the map, got the majority in the congress and just decided to "elevate sea levels" whenever possible. After some hundred years, my city was the only one left. That was pretty difficult to achieve, but lots of fun
Other than that, I really don't play multiplayer games that much.
In terms of single player, again, adjusting the "difficulty setting" is just what makes some games hard. But one game that I felt particularly well-balanced and difficult in many ways despite having some experience was "Commandos". You had to study the moves of so many enemies in order to meet the mission's goals. One thing that I often did in these games was to set my own additional mission goals: kill as few people as possible. Or in Alpha Centauri (amazing game) win without a war. My favorite "win" of all time is when I played a round of Alpha Centauri, put a city on the highest spot on the map, got the majority in the congress and just decided to "elevate sea levels" whenever possible. After some hundred years, my city was the only one left. That was pretty difficult to achieve, but lots of fun
Oh boy, Commandos and Desperados. Those were dark days. Yes, maybe I could beat them easily now, but back when I was what, 9-10 years old, with virtually no experience in games?
Commander Keen? That's funny - I've played all of them and I'd put them rather on my "easiest games ever" list. It probably depends... if they were your first games then you ultimately struggle a bit (I remember my first time playing Civilization and 2 hours in I got completely killed by the Aztecs with their tanks while I was still riding horses - with a bit of practice the game is a piece of cake). That being said, I think many games depend on your difficulty setting.
Hahaha well it has been about 16 years since I've played them, also I didn't have any gaming experience then
For me most of the games I found really hard were the ones that I played as a kid, when I was first introduced to games.
Simcity 3000 was pretty bloody hard, and that was when I had a bit of gaming experience in me.
Some parts of Witcher 2. Most notably early game, Prologue+ Chapter 1 can be very very tough (Endrega Queens anyone? Or Wraiths from th Burned Hospital?)
Oh yeah I totally agree, I loved the challenge that game threw at you. But that game was most definitely hard at the start haha.
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
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Hardest Single Player - Boogerman (I was like 6 or so and never could get past the second boss.)
Hardest Multiplayer - hmmm... Mortal Kombat series (I could beat the campaigns/tournaments but as soon as I fought another human controlled opponent, my ass was in the frying pan. Now and then I get lucky.)
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Two of the most entertaining and challenging games I have ever played would be Dark Souls and Demon Souls. Now a days, you can simply look up the optimal gameplay path on any FAQ website and really eliminate any real legitimate challenge. If you ever want any real satisfaction from a game, I would recommend trying to play without looking to a guide for help (as much as possible.) Some other fantastic games I have played first run-through without a guide, thoroughly enjoyed, and would definitely recommend to anyone are Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time(N64), Final Fantasy VII (Playstation), Final Fantasy X (PS2), Kings Field (playstation), Dark Souls & Demon Souls (PS3), ChronoTrigger (Playstation), Arc the Lad (playstation) and sequel for PS2, and Shenmue for Dreamcast, amongst many.
I will say again, I really think the challenge and enjoyment really come from personal stimulation in the fashion that you try to play through on your own intuition, seeking help when you've exhausted all your resources and ultimately limiting those times you go beyond the game to seek answers. One way you can challenge yourself is to play a game and tell yourself you can only look at the guide two or three times, like life lines, so that you use them wisely and challenge yourself to play through the areas that you couldnt figure out before.
Just my thoughts,
Swag
Edit for online games portion:
For online/multiplayer games I really enjoyed and were challenged by games like StarCraft Broodwar and Starcraft 2(melee) as well as some of the very complex User Map Settings (UMS) that people dreamed up like Legends, Evolves, Golems, PTQ (protect the Queen), DOTA (WC3,SC,SC2), BattleCraft, Squad TD, etc, you'll find that some were more or less unbalanced at some points and made it very challenging, and others that were fairly balanced and had a good following to seek some legitimate competition in. Furthermore, in Starcraft 2
Onto non PC games for me and some of the very earliest on-line console gaming I really enjoyed were Phantasy Star Online (Episodes and Versions 1&2 for DreamCast) and Alien Front Online (which was a badass online tank battle game) - interestingly enough, that is the first console game I had ever seen with real time voice chat. Socom 1 was Absolutely BAD ASS, Battlefield has always held my attention because unlike the mindless FPS that goes on in Call of Duty - at least in my opinion - There is SO much dynamic action happening at any time and anywhere. Aerial fights, tank fights, ground vehicle fights, infantry fights, It just goes on Battlefield 3 is my favorite FPS of all time, and I cannot wait for BattleField 4, 64 player warfare might just force me to tell my girlfriend and son I'm going on a 2 week vacation in the basement when it launches and I'll creep up from the depths into sunlight after I've gotten my fix.
There are other classics on here that I'm sure other people are very familiar with, again, depending on individual preference to tackling challenges. Self Found HC Diablo 2 is still something my friends and I communicate to one another about on a regular basis and log on and play to this day. That game will always be timeless to me. Aside from the obvious Diablo gameplay, I would also recommend Dark Souls and Demon Souls online gameplay because its complex in a sense that it takes a little experimentation to figure out what you can and cant do, as well as the boundaries of the in game universe. It's truly a gaming masterpiece, at least to me. I could type for days on this, but my girlfriend needs to use my computer's powerpoint
The hardest single player game I ever experienced was Pocket Bomberman for the original GameBoy. I was never able to beat the game. I think I got passed the first boss once.
Although I was 4 when I played that game. It might be a breeze for me nowadays; might go back and see if it is as difficult as I remember
Battletoads for NES is around the top of my list. If I could make it past the second level I was pumped. I might have to revisit to see how I fair nowadays.
Diablo for Playstation was actually pretty hard too, especially playing two players on one small screen. There was a lot of kiting in that game haha.
Megaman-X was probably the hardest single player game I remember playing.
Not sure about multiplayer (Like someone said above chess each time I try and play that online I just get destroyed)
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So to make it a bit more interesting for you I'll split it into 2 questions:
- What's the hardest single player game/s you've played?
- What's the hardest multiplayer game/s you've ever played?
Feel free to answer either or both of them!The hardest single player game I've played - For me it's a tie between Commander Keen and Crystal Caves on DOS. Both really fun but can be so damn hard at points
The hardest multiplayer game I've played - Arma 2 and 3. Both incredibly fun but very hard.
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
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ModeratorWoW is a complete casual player game - however, aiming for world first kill (well, at least to be among one of the first) and "practicing" C'Thun in Ahn'Qiraj was pretty crazy. We went to this encounter and just practiced our moves over and over again for 6 weeks even though we knew it was impossible to beat, just waiting for the fix. And the entire time you had to be perfectly focused and do the right moves or you'd get insta-killed by a beam... until one day Blizzard fixed the tentacle spawn ;-)
Other than that, I really don't play multiplayer games that much.
In terms of single player, again, adjusting the "difficulty setting" is just what makes some games hard. But one game that I felt particularly well-balanced and difficult in many ways despite having some experience was "Commandos". You had to study the moves of so many enemies in order to meet the mission's goals. One thing that I often did in these games was to set my own additional mission goals: kill as few people as possible. Or in Alpha Centauri (amazing game) win without a war. My favorite "win" of all time is when I played a round of Alpha Centauri, put a city on the highest spot on the map, got the majority in the congress and just decided to "elevate sea levels" whenever possible. After some hundred years, my city was the only one left. That was pretty difficult to achieve, but lots of fun
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Wise ElderFor me most of the games I found really hard were the ones that I played as a kid, when I was first introduced to games.
Simcity 3000 was pretty bloody hard, and that was when I had a bit of gaming experience in me.
Oh yeah I totally agree, I loved the challenge that game threw at you. But that game was most definitely hard at the start haha.
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
nuff said^^
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THIS! Very hard game as i remember i never was able to finish it. I played mine on the master system though.
Moonstone Amiga 500 very challenging and fun imho best game i played at that time... showing my age here :0
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Diablo 1 was quite difficult when playing through the first time (without cheating).
I find it sad that game developers are too afraid to bring out really challenging games.
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Hardest Multiplayer - hmmm... Mortal Kombat series (I could beat the campaigns/tournaments but as soon as I fought another human controlled opponent, my ass was in the frying pan. Now and then I get lucky.)
I will say again, I really think the challenge and enjoyment really come from personal stimulation in the fashion that you try to play through on your own intuition, seeking help when you've exhausted all your resources and ultimately limiting those times you go beyond the game to seek answers. One way you can challenge yourself is to play a game and tell yourself you can only look at the guide two or three times, like life lines, so that you use them wisely and challenge yourself to play through the areas that you couldnt figure out before.
Just my thoughts,
Swag
Edit for online games portion:
For online/multiplayer games I really enjoyed and were challenged by games like StarCraft Broodwar and Starcraft 2(melee) as well as some of the very complex User Map Settings (UMS) that people dreamed up like Legends, Evolves, Golems, PTQ (protect the Queen), DOTA (WC3,SC,SC2), BattleCraft, Squad TD, etc, you'll find that some were more or less unbalanced at some points and made it very challenging, and others that were fairly balanced and had a good following to seek some legitimate competition in. Furthermore, in Starcraft 2
Onto non PC games for me and some of the very earliest on-line console gaming I really enjoyed were Phantasy Star Online (Episodes and Versions 1&2 for DreamCast) and Alien Front Online (which was a badass online tank battle game) - interestingly enough, that is the first console game I had ever seen with real time voice chat. Socom 1 was Absolutely BAD ASS, Battlefield has always held my attention because unlike the mindless FPS that goes on in Call of Duty - at least in my opinion - There is SO much dynamic action happening at any time and anywhere. Aerial fights, tank fights, ground vehicle fights, infantry fights, It just goes on Battlefield 3 is my favorite FPS of all time, and I cannot wait for BattleField 4, 64 player warfare might just force me to tell my girlfriend and son I'm going on a 2 week vacation in the basement when it launches and I'll creep up from the depths into sunlight after I've gotten my fix.
There are other classics on here that I'm sure other people are very familiar with, again, depending on individual preference to tackling challenges. Self Found HC Diablo 2 is still something my friends and I communicate to one another about on a regular basis and log on and play to this day. That game will always be timeless to me. Aside from the obvious Diablo gameplay, I would also recommend Dark Souls and Demon Souls online gameplay because its complex in a sense that it takes a little experimentation to figure out what you can and cant do, as well as the boundaries of the in game universe. It's truly a gaming masterpiece, at least to me. I could type for days on this, but my girlfriend needs to use my computer's powerpoint
Although I was 4 when I played that game. It might be a breeze for me nowadays; might go back and see if it is as difficult as I remember
Multiplayer: Online Chess, haha.
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Wise ElderDiablo for Playstation was actually pretty hard too, especially playing two players on one small screen. There was a lot of kiting in that game haha.
Not sure about multiplayer (Like someone said above chess each time I try and play that online I just get destroyed)
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask