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PhrozenDragon65™


I'd hit it.

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I still want PhrozenDragon65™ to happen.

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I must admit, if Phrozen added the 65 I would feel like it found a good home lol.

I feel obliged to say something here, but I'm not going to. I will be watching my username though. No one is gonna force me down of a can of trash

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I just shaved today. I feel incomplete.

Now now now, the best kind of beard is the one you have one day after shaving. It feels so awesome stroking your own chin when you have that short stubble there.

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Well, i said no quest texts at all. And without any mentions on character names and dialogue files to listen to something, you may see what happens, but you don't actually know what's happening.

I can still know what's happening. I may not be able to know anything for certain, but that doesn't really matter. Because as soon as I play the retail version, I'll immediately be able to start puzzling together pieces.

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Right, you see an angel fighting. Do you know for sure if it's Tyrael?

Yes, because I know what Tyrael and all of the Angiris Council look like. And if that does not correspond with how they appear in D3, then Blizzard messed up somewhere, seeing as the entire troligy was written to establish the lore for D3.

You could pull the "hidden trickster" card and say that someone disguised themselves as someone else. But that's only going to work once or twice throughout the game without getting stale.

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I feel the same way. Isn't this quite the odd thing? To think that "65" has aesthetic appeal, but only after it's been that way for so long do people miss it(except Phrozendragon, he's wanted me to change it forever).

I'm the only one? Come on, it's like he's had a can of trash stuck to his ass for three years, and now you're all trying to convince him that sitting in dog shit was preferable.

Don't fall for it Umpa!

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So that's it. Kris bullied you in to changing your name.

Bullied? I showed him the light! Begone you vile spawn of darkness, thou shalt not taint himeth again!

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The expansions will probably end with the ultimate defeat of the Prime Evils so the story becomes open to other ultimate evils. Then they can continue the franchise in some form without having to rehash the same thing over and over again.

What I think is going to happen for certain is that Sanctuary will be established as a third power alongside Heaven and Hell. What I'm not so sure about it whether or not the Three will die. It's the equivalent of killing Sargeras and all the Old Gods in Warcraft. Suddenly there are no more baddies. And if you managed to slay them, anything left is by definition weaker and shouldn't be much of a problem.

There's also the clear difference between the top tier angels and demons (Angiris/Three) compared to their servant. They are portrayed as incredibly powerful in comparison to their servants. I just don't see Diablo dying and Astrogha stepping up to the plate.

I suspect what we'll see is a widening of the cosmology. There are hinted to be many more worlds other than Sanctuary. The Three and the Angiris won't be destroyed per se, but may have their roles redefined in the grander scheme of things somehow. So any eventual Diablo IV won't have us figthing Diablo, but he'll still be around in some form.

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I have no idea. But i want the whole game (all three difficulties) and all parts of the game without cinematics and without quest texts. Oh, i also don't want the names of the bosses.

That wouldn't make any sense. If you see Diablo walking down the corridor, or Tyrael crashing through the roof, your damn well going to have everything spoiled regardless of whether there's quest text of not. Even if it's just something minor, the second you get a quest that says "Maybe Belial is..." you'll immediately realize that's that nameless boss you fought three dungeon levels later in the beta.

There's no way around it. If Blizzard doesn't want to spoil anything, then they're not going to show it. And they've kept it tight so far, and I expect it to continue until release.

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For D2 I think it was just the first act. I'm expecting something similar with D3.

I suspect both Act 1 and 2, since we've seen those two extensively so far. There will be some spoilers that's just unavoidable, but it probably won't be anything major or anything we didn't expect.

For example we already know Leoric has returned, and it seems reasonable that we're going to kill him. And we also know there's some town in Act 2 that's been killed and there's morlu hanging around. No big deal either.

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I'm with Scyber that killing angels isn't the best marketing manoeuvre. Killing demons is something we see all the time in a lot of media, but killing angels? A lot of people will be offended by this; not just the extremely voiced religious groups.

It's all about presentation. They just have to smack some talk about "corrupt" or "fallen" in there and everything will be fine and dandy. Because then suddenly we'd be killing the baddies, like Satan. Awsum!!11

Strictly speaking, that probably eliminates any chance of us ever fighting an angel that is simply out to destroy Sanctuary because humans are perceived as a threat. But you can bandy with words and reasons pretty well here. If Imperius is a threat, you could pull out this idea that he's defying the will of the rest of Heaven (which was established at the end of tVP), label him an outcast, renegade or some such. Add some menacing color changes and thematic ideas and I think you could sell it. Even better, have the "true" angels call them by a name other than angel, and you'll have removed so much semblence that a lot of people will just go "fallen angel" and move on.

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I dont care about those dang corporations even if they do outcry against it can they really ban the game? I dont get it lol.

It's not what you care about, it's what the general public cares about.

No it flies into the Worldstone. The big image kind of fades, abut all the small ones dart into it afterwards. There may be some significance to that.

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I feel like....Diablo with Baal and Mephisto as shoulder pads IS the most horrifying form. Take that you silly dragon in ice!

Fair enough. But if we're to go into that kind of meta-discussion, then techically it would only make Diablo look like he is combined with his brothers (like when he appears like Tyrael to Inarius), but it wouldn't actually change the fact that the Three are separate entities.

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OH, and by the way. You forgot one litttlleee tiny thing. We've been given a glimpse at what his entire body looks like remember? The video from inside Blizz HQ? Do you not remember that? Diablo no longer looks ANYTHING like his old body.

That's where it came from? My bad, then it would seem to be official. My ealier point still stands however that from a gameplay perspective, the merging doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense from a pure lore perspective either, but no one is arguing in favor of that I think.

True, he is thin. But have you looked at Diablo's waist in D2? He ain't exactly fat. And I can't say I see tentacles on the image I'm looking at, just lots of spikes and something that looks like an extra set of arms. Which is weird since they look human rather than demonic. That suggests some sort of possession deal of a human, but I can't see how that's any more reasonable from what was revealed in the Sin War novels.

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Tyrael, being an archangel himself, is also, let's say, immune to corruption! That's why I don't believe he will be bad in Diablo III!

I've argued for this in the past and still stand by it, and it is the principal lore reason why I don't think Tyrael is going to be the enemy.

As for Inarius, he may not have been corrupted by the forces of Hell, but he's certainly a fallen angel of his own doing.

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Pleaaaaaaaase stop placing exclamation marks at the end of every sentence.

I second that.

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Though it's true that Diablo can take any form he wants, in the games it has never ever happened that he, or any other demon for that matter, had more than one head.

Easily explained by the fact that Diablo has to date only been presented in that manner in the Sin War novels. Which are now the established top-tier canonical lore and will be leading up to the events in D3.

As for 2-headed demons, you need only look at the latest atwork released by Blizzard from the facebook likes.

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Diablo's features were usually quite similar between the games. Strong, muscular, purely demonic build, horns, claws and stuff. Mephisto was the skinny, skeleton-like type, Baal was somewhat insect/octopus like...just downright creepy, lots of limbs and tentacles and stuff. Now remember the spoiled draft of the Diablo model for D3? Suddenly he is kinda skinny (like Mephisto), has more limbs than is healthy (like Baal) and has three heads. There's something fishy going on there.

Assuming that it's official, or still entirely accurate. And Mephisto's appearance in D2 does not reflect how he's described in the Sin War, most likely due to the fact that he possesses Sankekur in D2. The same argument can be made for Baal, although we have no idea of knowing what he looks like in the new cosmology. And if their aspects translated over to Diablo's body, shouldn't the heads reasonably show signs of this as well rather than just being nondescript mouths?

Now I will agree that I think their appearances in D2 hint at what they really look like. But it's a far leap to jump from that into them combining into one entity.

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So why not put them together, since either way you'd have to have at least two at once if you are to kill them all by end of D3? Now two or three at once in one fight would mean that the fight would be damn chaotic and the individual evils wouldn't get so much time to shine. But if you put them all together into one body, you can have the fight divided into three sections, one of the Prime Evils's powers emerging from the body every time. So first you fight Mephisto-version of the final boss, then the Baal and then the Diablo incarnation.

It's still a tacky idea. As for having to fight them all, there are several other possibilities off the top of my head. You could fight them one at a time but all in the last act, you could fight all three but with something occupying two of them (like Tyrael helping you), you could only fight one of them, you could fight neither.

Perhaps the game will even put you in a situation where you can only fight one of them, and neglecting to fight the other two will have consequences for an eventual expansion. The key point here is still a matter of feel and not gameplay. Blizzard are by no means forced to combine the Three into one being in order to delived a good game or end fight, and so the decision to meld them together would be primarily an artistic one. Something I believe is not in their plans.

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I am not intending to be a bubble-burster but how do you know that we will fight Diablo in the first installment of the game and not in some of the later expansions? Blizzard have tossed that thought on several occasions.

Blizzard says a lot of things. But I wouldn't rule this idea out entirely. I agree that would make a lot of sense to include Diablo in the game as the final boss, seeing as he is the titular character. But this is a problem, since he and his brothers are the very pinnacle of power in the lore, and coming up with a replacement for themis problematic.

I don't see it as too far-fetched to have Diablo present in the entire game (much like Arthas in WotLK) but leaving the fight for another expansion. I'm not saying this is more likely than fighting Diablo in the game (in fact I think we will), but it's not impossible.

There are no blues posting, that must mean beta is close. No wait, now the blues are posting, that must mean beta is close!

There's nothing to be read into this, or at least nothing that we can make any sense of given our limited information. Though I think we can all agree that beta is closer than it ever has been before :rolleyes:

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Most logical answer is he probably cleaned stickies so there is more place to put new diablo 3 beta stuff there =P

D3 beta is going to use a new community site, similar to SC2 and WoW, so there'd be no need to clean up the old forum b.net forum, which will be deleted come that day.

I get it, everyone thinks Tyrael will be corrupted because he was there when the Worldstone was destroyed. I think it's a bogus idea, but there it is. What I cannot understand however is this constant idea people have of the three Prime Evils combining into one.

We've seen one cinematic clip of about 1 second that has Diablo in it, and in it he has two things that might be heads on his shoulders. And from that everyone draws the conclusion that it MUST be Baal and Mephisto. No one seems to be aware of the fact that Diablo is a shapeshifting beast that can take whatever form is the most horrifying.

It is not Mephisto and Baal, you've all been watching Power Rangers too much.

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- Been researching quite a few guides, some players recommend going the Ice Arrow/Freezing Arrow route to counter physical immunes. Some say "screw magic damage" and instead put points into more skills for the Valkyrie. Others even say going to rank 13 Magic Arrow is nice, as your attack becomes free (no mana or arrows needed) and does damage physical immunes where strafe cannot. Personally I'm kind of partial to the Magic Arrow idea.
What advice do you guys have?

I dabbled a bit with a bowazon in SP. My conclusion is that she sucks without a great bow. In Hell that is. Strafe works wonders through nightmare with just a decent bow, but after that it's just not possible. I mean I coulnd't even kill the zombies, I had like 170-300 damage or some ridiculously low amount.

Without a great bow, neither magic arrow nor freezing arrow work. So I guess Valkyrie is the way to go?

And I have no idea about Strafe.

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Why? Because we had the impression D3 is around the corner.... Nowadays, none of the people involved have any interest in the topic or just dropped the idea. It simply took too long. Thx to blizzard for raising false expectations.

I don't know man. I mean, we were here 1.5 years ago, and we're still here. I think...

Good thing you registered here though :biggrin:

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I see I'll have to talk to Zhar! Thx 4 the tip!

He's currently MIA. Might have drowned in maple syrup, but we're not sure.

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It seams that each episode is longer than the previous one.

Yes. It's only a matter of time before each episode spans 168 hours. It will be the world's first reality show following the lives of a few ardent Diablofans