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Quote from zach3427

don't know if I have brought this up yet, but isn't this guy abusing the tos which clearly states you cannot use the rmah as a investment engine?

Erm, exactly how did you come to the conclusion that he was using this as an investment engine? "Making lots of sales" is not indicative of investing - not even close.

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Quote from InfidelMan

This is something, wow.... Do you know what a trade-off is? When you have a charm, you benefit from it's augmentation. The trade-off is your inventory space. Just like something that is better quality costs more, most of the time. So I don't get why you're so upset by that. And charms were very useful, especially the ones with +x to all skills, or +x to a specific skill or a specific skill set. Or the ones that increased certain stats, you could use that to compensate for not wasting level up stats on dex and str most of the time.

Charms are required for D3 to break free of it's current state of ball'n'chain itemization.

Resistances. We are slaves to this affix. I have experimented with trying to sell otherwise decent items, only they have no resist. People won't buy them, not even for 5k. A belt with 190 str and 165 vit 5% life +165 armor (410 armor)....no one offered so much as even 5k for it. I had it up for 10 k once, and then 5k. Not a single person would pay even a pittance for it.

Resistance charms would alleviate the absolute need to have resistances bound to each and every piece of armor.

"But they fill up my inventory".......impose a limit on the amount that can be carried (i.e. anihilus...gheeds etc) ....there done, problem solved.

I honestly wish they had a resist cap like in D2 so that this issue with absolute requirement for resist would stabilize. People aren't talking about this issue with resist enough. It is seriously wounding the games customization capabilities.

Charms are the absolute worst way to fix the problem with required stats. That just makes charms required items - you trade one problem for another.

A better solution (or at least part of a bigger one) is to effectively reduce the soft cap on required resistance - make each point of resistance more valuable, that is - meaning you are more apt to swap in other affixes where an AR affix would have otherwise used the budget. This provides for far more variety in itemization of characters (since you can now put your "cap" AR anywhere you want, allowing for specific slots to be utilized more efficiently, especially on the lower end of items), and brings AR and everything else back to a more level ground as far as market valuation goes.

Charms fucking sucked, please no.

Quote from shaggy

That's absolutely ridiculous.

D2 had stats, except that the only right way to spend your stat points 99% of the time was get enough str & dex to use the gear you wanted then dump the rest into vitality. There was no choosing, your choices were an outright illusion.

As for talent points those were again canned. Pick a few abilities you felt you wanted to max, pick a main damage spell and max it. It became even less of a choice when they introduced synergies because you basically picked a main damage spell, maxed it, then maxed any abilities with gave a synergy to it. That's not choice. That's not difficult.

D3 is dumbed down because it doesn't have scrolls? Really. That sounds like you're grasping for straws. What measure of complexity or difficulty did carrying 20 scrolls around in a tome add to the game that wasn't completely outweighed by the fact that between Identify and Town Portal tomes you wasted 4 slots in you inventory? What was so awesome about that mechanic?

As for D3 being a game that even grandma can play, my guess is that grandma would have a far easier time making a toon that can farm for gear in D2 than in D3. Did you know that D2 was actually so easy that they actually had to buff monsters at least once? Check out 1.10 patch notes. D2 took about the same mental power as that of a grasshopper to play, yet it was still a goddamned awesome game that tons of people played for an absurdly long time. Yet, somehow while having a huge hardon for what D2 was you're going to sit here with a straight face and attempt to tell me that games aren't good unless they're complex and difficult. Final Fantasy VII was not exactly that difficult, yet it remains one of my absolute favorite games ever. Super Mario 64 wasn't exactly complex, but I still replay that game with great joy. I seriously wonder how Nintendo ever made money based on your standards.

You clearly love Path of Exile. I hear Kripparian has a man-crush on the game too. Maybe you can go annoy them instead of trolling. You are here holding D3 to standards that you'd never hold any other game to, and you're entirely misinformed about the Diablo series. You make statements that no one in their right mind could agree with because it's simply a skewed view of reality.

But, hey, I hear that picking +10 to a stat or +6% attack speed in Path of Exile are the MOST EXCITING CHOICES EVER. Oh wait, the only exciting choices in their talent system are the 1-in-100 interesting choices that aren't some flat modifier to a stat or attack speed or damage with <weapon type>. Sounds absolutely exhilirating. Hypocrite.

The irony of this post...

Creates spam thread to whine about being unjustly banned for creating spam threads.

I detect a pattern here...

Quote from Zergie

Games with no end game that took a single play through to beat weren't good games in the 90's.

Still aren't.

Subby is confusiong good engine with good game.

People with absolutely zero concept of context or genre were boring and stupid in the 90's.

Still are.

Poster is confusing ARPG with a different genre.

Quote from ruksak

I never claimed to be a spelling aficionado.

I know, but it was too good of an opportunity to pass up, especially since any other response to that particular post would have been "agreed." Gotta keep myself amused at work.

Quote from Sikk

Either way, it's a known fact that this game is far from very good.

Opinion invalidated. Please insert coins to try again.

A whole week without an update from the people who have been constantly chastised by an overly-aggressive player base for not working hard enough? Oh woe is us!

Seriously, this isn't the 11 o'clock news - we're not going to get daily updates, especially when every update is a giant lambaste session from people who have made a profession out of bitching about everything under the sun.

Quote from Visioned

This does not make me want to play my wizard, or the game any more. The game is still boring.

Insightful, comprehensive, and all-around informative post right here. Thanks!

In other news, I'll have to check this out when I get home. Been playing my DH and Barbarian a lot, and really wanted to play some melee wizard variations (because they just have such a unique feel from anything else so far). Thanks! (for real)

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@ LDVvinci

Nice job ignoring his entire point AGAIN. An analogy has to be a relative comparisons and those analogies were horrible ones. He was right.

If you want to make an analogy to a job in the real world, how about this. You can come to work for me. I need you to work 50+ hours a week. At the end of the week, I'll sign a check to you. It may or may not have any value. You should want to work for the extremely rare chance that it could be a large check. In short, there is no guarantee to any reward for your effort becuase that would make you an entittled dbag.

That is more the feeling this forum is trying to impose on anyone who prefers the reward systems of the previous titles in this series. But no, you'll slippery slope that into "I want free purples for logging in".

Speaking of absolutely fucking terrible analogies...

Are you rolling a god damn dice to decide his paycheck? Is the job sitting on your ass watching TV? What if you're doing a job you expected to pay to do in the first place, and now you've actually made money from it?

Seriously, stop trying to give others shit for something and then do a piss-poor job of yourself.

You two can +1 eachother and circle-jerk to until your heart's content, but you're still sounding like entitled brats. There's no slippery slope here (so stop using it, because you sound ridiculous). He very clearly stated he DOES want rewards at an expected point in time (whatever his subjective idea of "reasonable" is), which is exactly what this series has never offered. He's already made money for fuck's sake, but that's not enough "reward." He wants more. Entitlement. Gratification. Get a dictionary, both of you.

Quote from GreenWins

So I was thinking long term for this game. What do these paragon levels actually mean for the future of Diablo. When the expansion pack hits and the level caps raises. What will happen to these Paragon levels?

It's a bit early to speculate on the expansion, no? I think Daemaro has the most likely solution, but there's plenty of time to come up with others. Take your pick.

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In my opinion, these paragon level is a temporary solution to bring back players into the Diablo 3 world.

I like more players to enjoy the game with. Do you think it was wrong of Blizzard to do something popular?

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This was one of those bandage solution to a wound that needed stitches.

I've always found a trauma wrap better for wounds than free-bleeding to the hospital, especially when the treatment is uncertain.

Quote from GreenWins

If we think long term the paragon will either get wiped and everyone will rage during the expansion pack transition. Or they will persist and loot tables for the expansion will be changed to accommodate the 300% magic find as base.

I can't imagine why they would wipe something that time consuming, especially considering they did this to please the fanbase. Assuming they aren't out to get us and the levels somehow or other persist, it wouldn't be terrifyingly difficult for them to adjust drop rates as needed.

Quote from GreenWins

I actually can not think of anything positive that will come from these paragon level in the future.

Then I bemoan both your miserable pessimistic outlook on life and your lack of foresight (or hindsight if you consider this essentially re-dubs Diablo 2 and the long trek to 99 back into the game). Of course, nobody knows the future, so you may well be right. Then again, if we go far enough into the future there will be more major patches with which to address any upcoming problems. If we go further on down the line we will have expansion(s). So, assuming trouble does come of this: they have more than enough time to get in front of it and they are showing us now their willingness to do so.

Quote from GreenWins

This was an half assed idea that they took from kripparrian. It was a good short term idea, but horrible long term idea.

How dare they elaborate on good ideas from such a spurious source? Honestly the progenitor of the system means nothing to me. Name-dropping fails to impress me out in the real world, least of all here in the you-tube-streaming substrata of casual rpg gaming. I think we've been over why it was a good idea and why it doesn't really matter what the long-er term is at this point, but sufficed to say these sentences don't really accomplish much.

Quote from GreenWins

So what do you guys think?

I think it was a much-needed shot of Diablo 2 in to the game. It opened up the entirety of the game to the vast majority of the player base who were struggling, allowed everyone a discernible path of improvement for quite a long time which did not detract from their item hunt, but in-fact made that hunt more efficient over time. In short: It made peace with quite a few issues that many loyal fans had all at once. Yes, it also brought about the ire of others and I can only imagine the reasons they (I would say "you," but I don't have to imagine your complaints since they are both plain to see and addressed above) came up with to dislike this addition to the game, but from what I can see on these boards and the official ones that group is a much smaller minority than the detractors pre-patch.

TL;DR: Blizzard did well. It's too soon to worry about the long-term.

Quote from GreenWins

So what do you guys think?

I think that you could have raised the question "how will paragon levels interact with a potential level cap raise in an expansion?" without so much emotive language. Almost felt like reading the official forums for a moment there.

Having said that, why assume that an expansion will include a level cap increase? It didn't in Diablo 2. Obviously that doesn't mean it won't here, but it's something to consider.

Quote from Nausicaa

In D2 80% of my gear on any 90+ char was TRADED, not found... I found other stuff... and traded that for what I needed for MY build...

I reckon more like 95% plus. Everyone was walking around in high level runewords... your chance of getting just one of those runes was slightly less than getting struck by lightning during an alien abduction while playing a random BG where the team works together.

Quote from Sandgnome

Xfire numbers may have an explanation, but the other links? Really?

It doesn't matter to me. I want objective reporting and the way he used the XFire numbers as the backbone of his argument calls into question any degree of objectiveness he might have had.

It's like a reporter claiming that the Yankees are the best baseball team ever but not disclosing that they're sleeping with Derek Jeter. Even small inaccuracies call into question the veracity of the rest of the statements.

Do I think everyone who purchased D3 is still playing it? No. I'm not a lunatic.

Do I think that 80% gave up on it? No. In fact there was some proof on the b.net forums that several people who were very adamant that they quit the game because Blizzard/D3 sucks, etc., etc., etc. were proven to be liars when the D3 armory went live. I think most people who are playing D3 are playing fewer hours per week and probably fewer days per week, but that's the status quo for Diablo titles and any other similar game.

I think there are a very vocal group of people, maybe 250-500k strong who would lead us to believe they are the majority. Bear in mind that Blizzard has publically stated numerous times throughout the lifespan of WoW that a small minority of players who play the game are actually posting on the forums. It stands to reason that people who are not posting on the forums have either silently quit or are still playing. Either way it's a very different picture from the people who are ranting and raving and making skewed OpEd pieces like this guy.

Furthermore, his OpEd was posted on August 8th.... after Blizzard had been working on this 1.0.4 presumably for about a month. His article would have been much more relevant mid-June. Posting that 6 weeks later, though, is just rehashing a bunch of shit we have been through before and much of which Blizzard has committed to fixing.

Instead of looking to the past to whine he could have looked to the future and been constructive.

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I mean as a bit of anecdotal brain exercises.

There were two people on my friends list who quit D3 within two weeks because it didn't have Recount/WoL and they couldn't brag about their in-game performance. Now, I know people like that are NOT the majority of people who have quit the game, but can we at least agree that some people are quitting for completely ridiculous reasons that true Diablo fans are better off if Blizzard doesn't address?

I mean at some point the complaints become entirely irrational. People who want to lord their leet in-game (ie: not character sheet) DEEPS over people are never going to be pleased with D3. We can at least agree that those two players lost are better off forgotten, right?

You keep quoting blue posts but don't seem to be quite grasping the argument here.

Quote from Ibraz

Didnt see any indication on how garbage the current state of the AH is in the notes preview. Anyone else concerned on this?

Nope. They said fixes for the AH are coming. Take your hate to blizz forums, thx.

I'm not at all concerned about the absence of AH notes in the barbarbian dev blog or the legendaries dev blog. Should I be?

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Quote from droctave

plain and simple some people will be happy some won't. you can not please everyone. not unless they are all dead.

That's kinda creepy

And how do you know dead don't disagree on things? Just because all they say is "brainzzzz" doesn't mean they don't have different opinions

It's all in the inflection. Some are like "Brrrrrraains" and some are all like "Braaaaaiiiins"

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Quote from Catalept

Oh joy! Another troll-thread complaining about how Blizzard isn't listening to The Right People.

The internet definitely needs more of those.

Dude stop trolling this post, this guy is serious and he has a good point. It's quite obvious, d3 wont be nearly as good as d2 ever was.

D3 already has a larger player base then D2 ever had, it also has more players on at one time RIGHT NOW then D2 ever did.

Reality sure is a sucker punch to troll balls isnt it?

Honestly, Im gonna laugh so damn hard at the internet as a whole when D3 gets an expansion, and it sells like 10 million copies on week 1 again.